Ranma ½ Ranma canon questions
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When did Ranma follow his father's stupid ideas? Trying to dash off back to China, refusing to get married to Akane repeatedly, mostly ignoring the Tendo engagement, not taking the Kunoji engagement seriously either, not hesitating to date other people, usually as part of various schemes to cure his curse...
And it's not like Ranma hasn't done his own share of things that resulted in things coming back to haunt him...after all, Genma wasn't alone while he was chowing down on the Amazon feast, and he volunteered to kick Shampoo's butt all on his own, he snitched the Dragon Whisker soup which resulted in having the nikumen after him, as well as Happosai and Genma, he did the whole stomperella thing when he blatantly stole someone's food...
Seriously, I'm not sure what Genma having or not having honor has to do with this. Ranma rarely goes along with his father's stupid ideas, unless you count not ditching Nerima and allowing himself to get packed off to school.
And it's not like Ranma hasn't done his own share of things that resulted in things coming back to haunt him...after all, Genma wasn't alone while he was chowing down on the Amazon feast, and he volunteered to kick Shampoo's butt all on his own, he snitched the Dragon Whisker soup which resulted in having the nikumen after him, as well as Happosai and Genma, he did the whole stomperella thing when he blatantly stole someone's food...
Seriously, I'm not sure what Genma having or not having honor has to do with this. Ranma rarely goes along with his father's stupid ideas, unless you count not ditching Nerima and allowing himself to get packed off to school.
What's suspicious, and partly the reason I came up with the theory mentioned before, is the timing.
I mean, they must have taken the most direct, fastest route between Jusenkyo and Nerima. Then went straight for the Tendo house, following a brief detour when Ranma runs off after finding out about the engagement. Why then of all times? Disregarding why he wants the engagement to happen for just a moment. What was it that triggered the absolute need for the marriage to happen ASAP?
I got nothing.
I mean, they must have taken the most direct, fastest route between Jusenkyo and Nerima. Then went straight for the Tendo house, following a brief detour when Ranma runs off after finding out about the engagement. Why then of all times? Disregarding why he wants the engagement to happen for just a moment. What was it that triggered the absolute need for the marriage to happen ASAP?
I got nothing.
Ranma swimming to China is manga canon: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/ranma_1_2/v04/c000/175.html
Personally, I choose to ignore that whole "we were cursed too weeks ago" statement. After all, Ranma apparently had time to climb a mountain alone and steal the dragon whisker soup, and he had time to steal Yobei's food. In fact, he was off alone without Genma pretty often for someone on the run from a crazed Joketsuzoku warrior.
Unless they were hitchhiking most of the way (which contradicts the "Running from Shampoo montage"), I don't see how they could have possibly made it back to Japan in that amount of time.
Unless they were hitchhiking most of the way (which contradicts the "Running from Shampoo montage"), I don't see how they could have possibly made it back to Japan in that amount of time.
There is the obvious not wanting Ranma to maybe fall in love with some other girl. If he wanted a specific marriage it is best to do it quickly before some other girl gets him. The thing is Soun is just as much if not more gung ho about it than Genma is. Also wasn't pushing for an immediate marriage at first, sure went to meet them but did not try to get them married at once, only later in the manga do they start trying to force them to get married (about the time other suitors are seen).
One possible answer is that since he knows where Ranma went to Junior high he could have went to their and gotten the info since records had to be sent from the junior high to the highschool.
I don't see a joining of the schools, only a joining of the families. They were okay with Nabiki instead of Akane and marriage is not needed to join the schools.
He's not, he and Soun were okay with the engagement being switched to Nabiki.
Didn't sell Ranma to other families, only made one deal with Ukyo's dad which he had absolutely no intention to honor. He also shown to care somewhat about honor, look at the seppuku pact it has no power unless he would honor it.
One possible answer is that since he knows where Ranma went to Junior high he could have went to their and gotten the info since records had to be sent from the junior high to the highschool.
I don't see a joining of the schools, only a joining of the families. They were okay with Nabiki instead of Akane and marriage is not needed to join the schools.
He's not, he and Soun were okay with the engagement being switched to Nabiki.
Didn't sell Ranma to other families, only made one deal with Ukyo's dad which he had absolutely no intention to honor. He also shown to care somewhat about honor, look at the seppuku pact it has no power unless he would honor it.
Wrong page, but so it is.
Original text says...
"The question is how I can get to China.. Looks like I'll have to do what we did before.. swimming across.. even though it's a bit annoying"
He could also mean swimming to South Korea and then walking overland, which would be far more reasonable of a distance. Even as Croaker says, super human abilities, crossing half of China, and then swimming from China to Japan in two weeks is more on the level of godlike.
Original text says...
"The question is how I can get to China.. Looks like I'll have to do what we did before.. swimming across.. even though it's a bit annoying"
He could also mean swimming to South Korea and then walking overland, which would be far more reasonable of a distance. Even as Croaker says, super human abilities, crossing half of China, and then swimming from China to Japan in two weeks is more on the level of godlike.
There's also a series of light novels based purely off the first OVA. Written by the person who wrote the third and fifth episodes of the OVA, in fact. The second Tenchi movie was based off of one of those novels, which is why it's so hard to place canonwise. And one of the characters from that series, Kiyone, was also used in Universe.
The manga was based off the OVAs, but is a separate continuity.
Then there's all the info that was published in Japan that never made it to the U.S. Especially the parts the creator of the series published himself.
Yes, it can get confusing.
The manga was based off the OVAs, but is a separate continuity.
Then there's all the info that was published in Japan that never made it to the U.S. Especially the parts the creator of the series published himself.
Yes, it can get confusing.
You know, that could make for a cracky fic.
"Ryoko, you've changed your clothes."
Ryoko looked down her teal and pink outfit. "What are you talking about? I wear the same thing every day.
"But you always wear black leather."
"...well, not today, Tenchi..." Ryoko leaned in closer, a suggestive smirk on her face. "Unless you.. like that sort of thing, hmm?"
Tenchi turned away quickly, blushing a bit. "Knock it off... where's your mother at anyway?"
"My mother?"
"Yeah, Miss Washu."
Ryoko perked an eyebrow at that. "Tenchi, Washu and I aren't related."
"But she said you were her daughter..."
Ryoko laughed. "Oh, isn't that rich? Me, Washu's daughter?" She snerked for several seconds, while Tenchi got increasingly agitated.
"Nevermind! I'm running late as it is! I'll just ask my sister to watch over Mayuka?"
"Sister? Mayuka?"
"Yes, you know, Sasami, my little sister? Mayuka, the baby that used to be a girl chasing after me?"
Ryoke looked extremely perplexed. "What?"
"Forget it! You, please watch over Mayuka. Sayuka's going to kill me for being so late!"
"Sayuka? Who's she?"
Tenchi blinked. "Um, er... nothing, nevermind!"
Ryoko grabbed hold of Tenchi's shirt. "Tenchi, what the hell's going on here? Are you sneaking off with some girl? You've been acting strange lately..."
"It's nothing! I--" Tenchi heard the clock chime and glanced at it. "Shoot, I'm late. Gotta go!" With surprising speed, Tenchi slipped free of his shirt and bolted.
Ryoko flew after him. "Get back here Tenchi! Who's this Sayuka bitch anyway!"
"Lighthawk Wings!"
The next thing Ryoko realized, she was being blasted back from a shield erected from three prongs of light. The light shield faded and Ryoko stared at Tenchi's back as he ran out of sight?
"What the hell was that?" the Space Pirate muttered. "Lighthawk Wings? When did Tenchi learn a trick like that?"
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Yeah, I think I grabbed most all of it. Except for season three of the OVA. After such a long wait, I don't have the interest to watch it, I'm afraid.
Which is probably for the best, since no one on the writing staff seems to have a Tenchi Muyo Bible on hand.
Pulling things back onto topic, effectively, only the first three Ranma books would count as canon. Everything else is various fanfic requests of Rumiko. :snigger:
Plot holes my ass. More like plot chasms, the way it will put something out, only to later contradict itself, all in the interest of squeezing out a few jokes. One of the most annoying ones that comes to mind is the Gambling King arc. In fact, Uyko herself kind of rubs me wrong, but the Gambling King arc is the one I found to be most annoying.
Ranma having prior knowledge of the Tendo Dojo despite not actually knowing about the engagement, and moreso, his ability to gamble it away, despite not having it in the first place (even if he would inherit it), plus the stupidity of the Tendos in giving it up to him, since Ranma hadn't inherited it yet. And don't get me started on the whole child's handprint on a sheet of plain paper. Not notarized, documented, or anything. This isn't Edo times! Who the fuck does this shit now? And who would honor it?
If there was ever a time for Ranma to get beligerant and kick a motherfucker out like he's Samuel L. Jackson, that would be the time.
"Ryoko, you've changed your clothes."
Ryoko looked down her teal and pink outfit. "What are you talking about? I wear the same thing every day.
"But you always wear black leather."
"...well, not today, Tenchi..." Ryoko leaned in closer, a suggestive smirk on her face. "Unless you.. like that sort of thing, hmm?"
Tenchi turned away quickly, blushing a bit. "Knock it off... where's your mother at anyway?"
"My mother?"
"Yeah, Miss Washu."
Ryoko perked an eyebrow at that. "Tenchi, Washu and I aren't related."
"But she said you were her daughter..."
Ryoko laughed. "Oh, isn't that rich? Me, Washu's daughter?" She snerked for several seconds, while Tenchi got increasingly agitated.
"Nevermind! I'm running late as it is! I'll just ask my sister to watch over Mayuka?"
"Sister? Mayuka?"
"Yes, you know, Sasami, my little sister? Mayuka, the baby that used to be a girl chasing after me?"
Ryoke looked extremely perplexed. "What?"
"Forget it! You, please watch over Mayuka. Sayuka's going to kill me for being so late!"
"Sayuka? Who's she?"
Tenchi blinked. "Um, er... nothing, nevermind!"
Ryoko grabbed hold of Tenchi's shirt. "Tenchi, what the hell's going on here? Are you sneaking off with some girl? You've been acting strange lately..."
"It's nothing! I--" Tenchi heard the clock chime and glanced at it. "Shoot, I'm late. Gotta go!" With surprising speed, Tenchi slipped free of his shirt and bolted.
Ryoko flew after him. "Get back here Tenchi! Who's this Sayuka bitch anyway!"
"Lighthawk Wings!"
The next thing Ryoko realized, she was being blasted back from a shield erected from three prongs of light. The light shield faded and Ryoko stared at Tenchi's back as he ran out of sight?
"What the hell was that?" the Space Pirate muttered. "Lighthawk Wings? When did Tenchi learn a trick like that?"
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:snigger:
Yeah, I think I grabbed most all of it. Except for season three of the OVA. After such a long wait, I don't have the interest to watch it, I'm afraid.
Which is probably for the best, since no one on the writing staff seems to have a Tenchi Muyo Bible on hand.
Pulling things back onto topic, effectively, only the first three Ranma books would count as canon. Everything else is various fanfic requests of Rumiko. :snigger:
Plot holes my ass. More like plot chasms, the way it will put something out, only to later contradict itself, all in the interest of squeezing out a few jokes. One of the most annoying ones that comes to mind is the Gambling King arc. In fact, Uyko herself kind of rubs me wrong, but the Gambling King arc is the one I found to be most annoying.
Ranma having prior knowledge of the Tendo Dojo despite not actually knowing about the engagement, and moreso, his ability to gamble it away, despite not having it in the first place (even if he would inherit it), plus the stupidity of the Tendos in giving it up to him, since Ranma hadn't inherited it yet. And don't get me started on the whole child's handprint on a sheet of plain paper. Not notarized, documented, or anything. This isn't Edo times! Who the fuck does this shit now? And who would honor it?
If there was ever a time for Ranma to get beligerant and kick a motherfucker out like he's Samuel L. Jackson, that would be the time.
Is it just an impression or does Ranma's ailurophobia increase over time? At first the Tendo's pile a ton of cats on Ranma without him falling into the nekoken. Later he falls into a pit full of cats but the nekoken is only triggered after the tiger appears.
But later on he freaks out more frequently and with less exposure to cats.
But later on he freaks out more frequently and with less exposure to cats.
Much later in the manga, Ranma gets bitten by a tiger, and he doesn't even acknowledge it. In fact, Ranma's fear of the first tiger isn't really explicit, since he was pretty well out of it by the time it showed up.
It can be inferred that Ranma doesn't consider the 'big cats' to be in the same league as the 'pointy-eared devils.' It's one of those things that can be played both ways.
It can be inferred that Ranma doesn't consider the 'big cats' to be in the same league as the 'pointy-eared devils.' It's one of those things that can be played both ways.
No, he has a phobia of pirahana and not one of sharks. While you are afraid of something you have a phobia of, there are different connotations to possessing an actual phobia over just being afraid of something, and it's entirely possible for someone who has a phobia to it be triggered by something specific, but not something that's in the same broad general category, even if it's technically more dangerous...it's an illogical, unreasonable fear of something. Maybe he's scared of tigers, maybe the tiger just broke his already floundering concentration on not freaking the hell out.
And yeah, like Lawra said, a lot of it was just ARGH CATCATCAT from having one of the little buggers pop up out of nowhere, which really isn't that much worse than when he thought he knew that was Gosunkugi and ARGH CATCATCAT instead. On the other hand, when the Tendos started draping cats all over him, he knew what the hell was coming and was doing his best to avoid freaking out, as opposed to being ambushed with it. While he didn't expect the cats at the bottom of the pit, his awareness of them was a bit slower, and you can probably add in that he really just didn't want to have Gosunkugi and Kuno know about his fear.
And I don't think he freaked out all that often over the course of the manga.
How do you know that the Ranma 1/2 universe isn't one where something like that's considered legal? Sure, it bears a superficial resemblance to our own world, but it also has cheerful competitive martial arts badminton where people toss about magical balls that can shoot out an impossible amount of glue, chains, and other assorted nonsense, and is held on regular basis (since it was stated that Shampoo was the previous champion), where people hold martial arts delivery competitions, where street peddlers, wandering merchants, and antique shop owners sell actual magical objects like the egg of a phoenix, an umbrella that can imbue people with an obsessive love, paper dolls that can make anyone do whatever is written on them when placed on their body, magical mushrooms that can force you to perform a specific action when triggered by a specific sound. Where ancient and bizarre tribes live tucked away in the hinterlands of China. Where you can buy a suit of ridiculous power armor through a mail order catalog. Where miners know how to use weird emotion-based ki techniques. Where people bounce around town from roof to roof, and everyone's fine with it. Where an old noble family with a really long history has developed a martial arts solely around eating really fast which it seems to have been practicing for probably centuries. Where someone can have a curse that swaps their sexes with a splash of water, and everyone's fine with it. Where ghosts, oni, creepy living painted pandas, and other such run around the place, and everyone just nods. Where cursed magical mirrors are on display in a public location.
So, really, what makes you think this isn't a world where both of those are totally valid from a legal standpoint in the Ranmaverse?
And yeah, like Lawra said, a lot of it was just ARGH CATCATCAT from having one of the little buggers pop up out of nowhere, which really isn't that much worse than when he thought he knew that was Gosunkugi and ARGH CATCATCAT instead. On the other hand, when the Tendos started draping cats all over him, he knew what the hell was coming and was doing his best to avoid freaking out, as opposed to being ambushed with it. While he didn't expect the cats at the bottom of the pit, his awareness of them was a bit slower, and you can probably add in that he really just didn't want to have Gosunkugi and Kuno know about his fear.
And I don't think he freaked out all that often over the course of the manga.
How do you know that the Ranma 1/2 universe isn't one where something like that's considered legal? Sure, it bears a superficial resemblance to our own world, but it also has cheerful competitive martial arts badminton where people toss about magical balls that can shoot out an impossible amount of glue, chains, and other assorted nonsense, and is held on regular basis (since it was stated that Shampoo was the previous champion), where people hold martial arts delivery competitions, where street peddlers, wandering merchants, and antique shop owners sell actual magical objects like the egg of a phoenix, an umbrella that can imbue people with an obsessive love, paper dolls that can make anyone do whatever is written on them when placed on their body, magical mushrooms that can force you to perform a specific action when triggered by a specific sound. Where ancient and bizarre tribes live tucked away in the hinterlands of China. Where you can buy a suit of ridiculous power armor through a mail order catalog. Where miners know how to use weird emotion-based ki techniques. Where people bounce around town from roof to roof, and everyone's fine with it. Where an old noble family with a really long history has developed a martial arts solely around eating really fast which it seems to have been practicing for probably centuries. Where someone can have a curse that swaps their sexes with a splash of water, and everyone's fine with it. Where ghosts, oni, creepy living painted pandas, and other such run around the place, and everyone just nods. Where cursed magical mirrors are on display in a public location.
So, really, what makes you think this isn't a world where both of those are totally valid from a legal standpoint in the Ranmaverse?
Actually that does happen in Japan, moreso in the past than now. The hand print on the paper would not be legal in Japan (actually is illegal according to the Japanese Constitution) but similar things do occur in real life in many places of the world, including Japan. That is is not legal doesn't matter it is not a matter of legality but a matter of honor (which often does not give a crap about the law). Example, the hundreds of honor killings that happen world wide even though they are illegal even in the countries that they happen in.
The giving of the dojo is two parts one deals with the Asian concept of face, which Soun would have lost because of what he had said just moments before (if you don't think face is important you should know it was a contributing factor in world war 2) and that as far as Soun is concerned Ranma will marry one of his daughters so the dojo will be Ranma's.
--- quote from a website on the concept of face
Forced to choose between making accomodations with America in regard to China or going to war with China, Japan's leaders chose to attack America, knowing that it was very risky and that the odds of victory were low, for fear of having to back down from their earlier policy, and appearing cowardous to their underlings for "caving in" to the Americans. The Chinese attack on Sideni there is probably much the same idea. Face tends to be most important with superiors dealing with underlings - face is far less important in underlings dealing with superiors, and one may even sacrifice face - or, for that matter, matterial comforts or even life - to protect a superior. For example, here, after WW2, the Emperor's role was consistently minimized by his underlings to protect him from war crime prosecution.
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Though personally I think the gambling king arc is the worst arc in the manga.
The giving of the dojo is two parts one deals with the Asian concept of face, which Soun would have lost because of what he had said just moments before (if you don't think face is important you should know it was a contributing factor in world war 2) and that as far as Soun is concerned Ranma will marry one of his daughters so the dojo will be Ranma's.
--- quote from a website on the concept of face
Forced to choose between making accomodations with America in regard to China or going to war with China, Japan's leaders chose to attack America, knowing that it was very risky and that the odds of victory were low, for fear of having to back down from their earlier policy, and appearing cowardous to their underlings for "caving in" to the Americans. The Chinese attack on Sideni there is probably much the same idea. Face tends to be most important with superiors dealing with underlings - face is far less important in underlings dealing with superiors, and one may even sacrifice face - or, for that matter, matterial comforts or even life - to protect a superior. For example, here, after WW2, the Emperor's role was consistently minimized by his underlings to protect him from war crime prosecution.
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Though personally I think the gambling king arc is the worst arc in the manga.