Ranma ½ Ranma Off-Topic Thread
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Somebody *has* written a fic using that idea. Though it was not during the training arc.
It a story taking place in the future, Ranma returns after having left, and discovered Akane married Ryoga, and apparently never found out about him, despite being married... feeling something wrong, he tries to tell her, and she cannot retain the knowledge.
The premise was Akane begged Cologne to do it. As she could not take having the knowledge that Ryoga was P-Chan.
EDIT: there actually was another one like that... it locked her to the knowledge level she was at when she got it, that was why she never developed as a character, or further in the art despite her efforts. her brain was not locked of specific concepts, but in overall knowledge and skill.
It a story taking place in the future, Ranma returns after having left, and discovered Akane married Ryoga, and apparently never found out about him, despite being married... feeling something wrong, he tries to tell her, and she cannot retain the knowledge.
The premise was Akane begged Cologne to do it. As she could not take having the knowledge that Ryoga was P-Chan.
EDIT: there actually was another one like that... it locked her to the knowledge level she was at when she got it, that was why she never developed as a character, or further in the art despite her efforts. her brain was not locked of specific concepts, but in overall knowledge and skill.
People often seem to judge Ranma and Genma for eating Shampoo's prize without checking it was "up for grabs," but here's something I noticed that seems a bit odd to me.
The guide leads them to the village, and then he sits down at the table with them.
...Why? Why would he apparently lead them straight to the table if he already knew it was the first prize? If I was led by a guide to an event open to the public, and then directed to a table laden with food, I would probably assume it was a buffet of some sort!
The guide leads them to the village, and then he sits down at the table with them.
...Why? Why would he apparently lead them straight to the table if he already knew it was the first prize? If I was led by a guide to an event open to the public, and then directed to a table laden with food, I would probably assume it was a buffet of some sort!
I've always sort of assumed the guide's wife is a citizen of the village. His daughter Plum has to have a mother from somewhere, and she can't be from the Musk or Hououzan-jin pretty much by definition. This would make him a known quantity in the village, which he had to have been anyway (why else lead Ranma and Genma there?).
Anyway, if Cologne *had* pulled some kind of trick that made Akane unable to look at Ryouga in anything but the best possible light, I think the series would have used that openly at some point. No, I think Akane being unable to put two and two together regarding Ryouga and her pet is just something Takahashi finds hysterical. It doesn't need any deeper reason than that.
Anyway, if Cologne *had* pulled some kind of trick that made Akane unable to look at Ryouga in anything but the best possible light, I think the series would have used that openly at some point. No, I think Akane being unable to put two and two together regarding Ryouga and her pet is just something Takahashi finds hysterical. It doesn't need any deeper reason than that.
They way I see it, there are two ways to look at Ranma 1/2. There's the "it's a comedy manga" perspective, where there's not really any point in trying to apply a sense of logic or reason to any character's actions, and the vast majority of characters are one-dimensional and exist as plot devices/gag fodder. There's little continuity between arcs, and trying to judge characters by real-world standards is an exercise in futility. A more modern western equivalent would be "Teen Titans Go."
And then there's the perspective where you treat the manga as, rather than as simply a medium for gags, an actual narrative that's primarily comedic in nature. There is a sense of continuity (if you squint,) and the characters are more complex that we tend to only see a singular aspect of.
And then there's the perspective where you treat the manga as, rather than as simply a medium for gags, an actual narrative that's primarily comedic in nature. There is a sense of continuity (if you squint,) and the characters are more complex that we tend to only see a singular aspect of.
Well he did also explain to them that there was some kind of martial arts contest going on, and the table itself had a huge like 4x3 foot sign in front of it that said "First Prize." And it's presumably in Japanese (for some reason) since it's translated to English in the linked scans unlike the Chinese characters spoken by Shampoo which were left untranslated, so they would have been able to read it. So Ranma and Genma either didn't notice the huge obvious sign declaring the food to be a prize or they chose to ignore it.
Whaaat? No. There's no reason for there to be a big sign in Japanese, is there? It's got to be translated for the reader, for the sake of the gag. Unless part of my admittedly limited knowledge of Asia is way off and the Japanese language sees some use in rural China.
Edit: Wait, duh. Kanji are adopted Chinese characters originally known as Hanzi. Maybe the translators didn't translate Shampoo's speech because it was obvious from the context that they weren't supposed to, but the sign was up for grabs.
Edit 2: And even if it was, why the guide even lead them to, or at the very least sit at, the table? Wouldn't that be kind of rude anyway?
Edit: Wait, duh. Kanji are adopted Chinese characters originally known as Hanzi. Maybe the translators didn't translate Shampoo's speech because it was obvious from the context that they weren't supposed to, but the sign was up for grabs.
Edit 2: And even if it was, why the guide even lead them to, or at the very least sit at, the table? Wouldn't that be kind of rude anyway?
Well yeah, but "kind of rude" is like the default behavior of every character in Ranma 1/2 save for Kasumi and Dr. Tofu.
It may just be a translation error or just for the sake of the gag, but would a random Japanese sign in a Chinese village really be all that strange in this manga? Compared to all the other random bizarre things that occur virtually every chapter?
It may just be a translation error or just for the sake of the gag, but would a random Japanese sign in a Chinese village really be all that strange in this manga? Compared to all the other random bizarre things that occur virtually every chapter?
Actually thinking on this some more and then jumping into wild mass guessing... maybe the sign is actually in Japanese, and it's there because the Amazon village has a thriving tourism industry and they needed a sign for their frequent Japanese visitors? It would explain why the guide even brought them to the village, Ranma and Genma were planning to visit anyway as the next stop on their sightseeing/training trip. And I do find it rather strange how the guide calls Shampoo's battle a "show" rather than a tournament or competition. Those martial arts shows could be one of their main attractions.
That's actually quite plausible, and you're right about the useage of "show," though I'd like to know how accurate that translation is.
Here's something else that's always bothered me about that arc: The surrounding audience is shocked when Shampoo gives Ranma the Kiss of Death.
They were shocked a couple of pages back when Ranma kicked Shampoo off the log, and I realise that an outsider martial artist defeating a Joketsuzoku warrior must be quite rare, but they still seem really surprised when Shampoo does it. A part of me wonders if it's possible that the "Kiss of Death/Marriage" laws are somewhat similar to a law in the UK that requires all males over the age of 14 to be trained in shooting a long bow.
That is, an archaic leftover of a bygone age that nobody is expected to follow but was never taken off the books due to noone getting around to it.
Here's something else that's always bothered me about that arc: The surrounding audience is shocked when Shampoo gives Ranma the Kiss of Death.
They were shocked a couple of pages back when Ranma kicked Shampoo off the log, and I realise that an outsider martial artist defeating a Joketsuzoku warrior must be quite rare, but they still seem really surprised when Shampoo does it. A part of me wonders if it's possible that the "Kiss of Death/Marriage" laws are somewhat similar to a law in the UK that requires all males over the age of 14 to be trained in shooting a long bow.
That is, an archaic leftover of a bygone age that nobody is expected to follow but was never taken off the books due to noone getting around to it.
I wouldn't be surprised by that. We know almost nothing about the Amazon village but we do know that they aren't that primitive. They have phonelines and distribute their own newspapers to other villages throughout the region. Such laws might well be seen as barbaric and outdated and ignored by most Amazons. At any rate the guide didn't seem to have any problem with Ranma challenging Shampoo to a fight and didn't think to warn him about the Kiss of Death beforehand, and I doubt it was just because he didn't care whether Ranma got killed since he seemed genuinely scared for Ranma's sake and helped Ranma get a head start running away. Most likely the guide didn't think there were still any Amazons around who would actually enforce those ancient savage laws, at least not among the young generations.
Basically, Cologne is a super traditional old lady and she raised Shampoo to be a fundamentalist zealot Amazon girl who adheres to all the ancient traditions her peers no longer believe in.
Basically, Cologne is a super traditional old lady and she raised Shampoo to be a fundamentalist zealot Amazon girl who adheres to all the ancient traditions her peers no longer believe in.
It's hard to think of Cologne as a super traditional old lady when she hands out secret techniques like candy, watches soaps, and basically seems to be having large quantities of lulz at the young'uns expense. I'm wondering if Shampoo's more of the fundamentalist zealot that's grown up hearing stories about the glory of the "old day's" and wants to bring it back, and Cologne's just come along to keep an eye on her while getting some quality amusement.
Well Cologne did punish Shampoo with re-training and a cat curse for daring to return to China without killing Ranma. She seemed pretty pissed about Shampoo breaking their laws, the same laws the guide and martial arts show audience was astonished to see invoked. So she's she's at least traditional about their stupid old laws.
I came across this manga recently;
Ojojojo : http://www.batoto.net/comic/_/comics/ojojojo-r12619/
Why is it relevant in the Ranma section? Because there is a side (or supporting) character called "Tendou Akane" in it. Here is the panel where she is introduced;
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/258429/ojojojo_v1_ch5_by_ciel-scans/3
As for the source manga itself, I find it cute.
-chronodekar
Ojojojo : http://www.batoto.net/comic/_/comics/ojojojo-r12619/
Why is it relevant in the Ranma section? Because there is a side (or supporting) character called "Tendou Akane" in it. Here is the panel where she is introduced;
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/258429/ojojojo_v1_ch5_by_ciel-scans/3
As for the source manga itself, I find it cute.
-chronodekar
