Recreational Literary Endeavors

drakensis

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#76
Finished reading Storm from the Shadows last night. Goddamn cliffhanger.

There are some tantalising hints about what will happen in Torch of Freedom and Mission of Honor. Actually given the set up happening towards the end of SftS Mission of Honor is going to have the sort of action that should be written in naptha on parchment-thin sheets of nitroglycerin.

The plot-bombs ARE falling. THEY haven't hit anything yet, but when they do...

This is going to be a wild ride.
 

tjalorak

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#77
Deerskin by Robin McKinley.

My friend recommended I read Deerskin since it was her favorite Robin McKinley book. McKinley is very good at walking the line between having it be fairy tale like (with a twist) in her style of writing and yet, grounded in the story and the character's perspective so that it's not too distant.*

The ballroom scene is utterly terrifying - as it was no doubt intended to be - and her description of Lissar's fears make them tangible and ominous. McKinley also seems to have a pretty dry sense of humor at times as exemplified in the chicken quote.

Now, generally, I'm not really a fan of a passive girl who waits for things to come to her but I think McKinley did a great job in setting it up and keeping the interest level high. While it's true that Lissar dawdled a bit too long in the beginning to her detriment (and yes, because of her innocence and unnamed fear), it was very easy to see the potential in Lissar which is later fulfilled when she finally confronts and defeats her fear. The character growth is great in this book.

Last note, the dogs! The dogs and especially Ash are wonderful and McKinley really captures the trusting relationship between Lissar, Ash, and later, her group of dogs. Very sweet.

It is a little depressing and the "blame the victim" writ large in Lissar's original kingdom is nauseating, but overall, a very good book and one I'm glad I read.

*Note: Book reminds me a bit of Ysabel by Guy Gavriel Kay although McKinley's style of writing is even more traditional fairy tale like.
 

Watashiwa

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Staff member
#78
Finished Villains by Necessity last week.

It is good. If you want it, ask Black Sun, who has the ebook uploaded.

On the physical front, I picked up Olympos, Dan Simmon's sequel to Ilium. I preferred Ilium, but I'm catching the references in this one.

I swear that Simmons used the Random Crossover generator to make this work: "Write a crossover between the Iliad and William Shakespeare's The Tempest. The plot should use time travel/a dystopian future/robots going berserk as a plot device!"
 

Ordo

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#79
I just recently finished Magic Bites by Ilona Andrews, along with Unquiet Dreams & Unfallen Dead by Marc Del Franco. These two book series arenÆt bad, itÆs just they are not up to the quality of the Dresden Files. That said, each series has things about it I find fascinating and just love to read about

I also finally finished Black Magic woman by Justin Gustanis. This series has gotten off to a pretty good start and IÆm honestly looking forward to the future adventures of our four protagonists. It also taught me something I didnÆt know about, namely Muti-murders. I honestly was unaware of this form of ritualistic killing, and it scares the heck out of me that some people still practice this kind of evil.

I tried to get through Thirteen (Black Man in the UK) by Richard K. Morgan but the slowness of the plot eventually caused me to stop reading.

At present I am reading Woken Furies by Morgan. Hopefully this will be a better book.
 

tjalorak

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#80
Oh... Woken... his Altered Carbon series, right? If so, I remember that the story got a bit tiring at the end. Morgan definitely has a unique style of writing which can be good or bad. I know it's supposed to be noir cyber punk or something but after awhile, the unrelenting depressing atmosphere is annoying. That said, I think his Altered Carbon series is more action based than his others.

I liked the Ilona Andrews series. It's an interesting setting and the clash between magic and technology on a world scale is fun.

I just finished the Heritage and Legacy trilogies by Ian Douglas. Started off okay but the general overall structure of each book is very, very similar. Other than time passing by and slightly different enemies, there will be a training scene, an interlude that chronicles the ten year passage to get to some distant star while Earth starts yet another war between countries in the meantime, annoying scientists and politicians who try to backstab the plan, a fight scene, and a sort of happy ending complete with medals, promotions, and hazard pay.
 

drakensis

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#81
Read High Crusade (Poul Anderson) and War Against the Mafia (Don Pendleton)
Classic sci-fi and action-adventure. Good books, now back to the fanfiction.
 

railhazard

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#82
Watashiwa said:
Finished Villains by Necessity last week.

It is good. If you want it, ask Black Sun, who has the ebook uploaded.

On the physical front, I picked up Olympos, Dan Simmon's sequel to Ilium. I preferred Ilium, but I'm catching the references in this one.

I swear that Simmons used the Random Crossover generator to make this work: "Write a crossover between the Iliad and William Shakespeare's The Tempest. The plot should use time travel/a dystopian future/robots going berserk as a plot device!"
and doing a good work with it, i must add.

I am reading Olympos right now.

Both Ilium and Olympos prompted me to reread the Iliad.

How can a truly epic badass as Achilles be such a whinny weepy brat at time?
 
#83
I haven't been reading much except graphic novels recently, except when I'm rereading my favorites (Eddings, Heinlein, etc.)

Every book I come across just seems meh. to me. Especially since half the fantasy now seems to have the exact same woman as the lead, or feels like it should have been a romance novel instead.

Heck, I've even considered going to Amazon.com, and just browsing through the author pages to find something new. Unfortunately, everything seems to be something I've read, or just doesn't sound interesting to me.

Honestly, I've been trying to write some original stories that I would want to read, for eventual publication (hopefully). Inspired by everything I've read and enjoyed, from manga to novels, comic books, etc.
 

spooky316

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#84
the DragonBard said:
I haven't been reading much except graphic novels recently, except when I'm rereading my favorites (Eddings, Heinlein, etc.)

Every book I come across just seems meh. to me. Especially since half the fantasy now seems to have the exact same woman as the lead, or feels like it should have been a romance novel instead.

Heck, I've even considered going to Amazon.com, and just browsing through the author pages to find something new. Unfortunately, everything seems to be something I've read, or just doesn't sound interesting to me.

Honestly, I've been trying to write some original stories that I would want to read, for eventual publication (hopefully). Inspired by everything I've read and enjoyed, from manga to novels, comic books, etc.
I'd recommend Dresden Files, but you've probably already read those.
 
#85
spooky316 said:
the DragonBard said:
I haven't been reading much except graphic novels recently, except when I'm rereading my favorites (Eddings, Heinlein, etc.)

Every book I come across just seems meh. to me.? Especially since half the fantasy now seems to have the exact same woman as the lead, or feels like it should have been a romance novel instead.

Heck, I've even considered going to Amazon.com, and just browsing through the author pages to find something new.? Unfortunately, everything seems to be something I've read, or just doesn't sound interesting to me.

Honestly, I've been trying to write some original stories that I would want to read, for eventual publication (hopefully).? Inspired by everything I've read and enjoyed, from manga to novels, comic books, etc.
I'd recommend Dresden Files, but you've probably already read those.
Yep.
 

spooky316

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#86
the DragonBard said:
spooky316 said:
the DragonBard said:
I haven't been reading much except graphic novels recently, except when I'm rereading my favorites (Eddings, Heinlein, etc.)

Every book I come across just seems meh. to me.á Especially since half the fantasy now seems to have the exact same woman as the lead, or feels like it should have been a romance novel instead.

Heck, I've even considered going to Amazon.com, and just browsing through the author pages to find something new.á Unfortunately, everything seems to be something I've read, or just doesn't sound interesting to me.

Honestly, I've been trying to write some original stories that I would want to read, for eventual publication (hopefully).á Inspired by everything I've read and enjoyed, from manga to novels, comic books, etc.
I'd recommend Dresden Files, but you've probably already read those.
Yep.
Simon Green's Nightside novels are similar, you could give them a try.
 

ttestagr

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#87
I'm reading Michael Stackpoles Dragoncrown War. I'm on the third book, and am enjoying them. It's nice to see a fantasy universe discover guns and wreck havoc with them. The interaction between the female lead and her romantic interest is good too.

I found George Martin's Song of Ice and Fire pretty average. It drags badly, and he breaks quite a bit of suspension of belief in the middle of the third book. The Red Wedding and the north's response to it in particular were very unrealistic. The Fourth book only dealing with half the cast was shitty as well. I'm glad I got them for free, or I'd be upset at shelling out the money.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
#88
I picked up books 4-6 of the Wildcards series.

Multi-author, inter-conected world, where aliens unleashed a virus that turned people into mutants.

Aces: Those with powers, still look human.

Jokers: The freaks.

I want to read the others in the series, but finding them is a bitch.
 

tjalorak

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#89
Just finished reading Scalzi's Old Man's War series (4.5 books).

Thought they were very fun. Some fresh takes on the sci fi genre including how to run a military based on genetic engineering, breeding, and consciousness transfer.

Scalzi's an author who challenges himself esp. in books 2, 2.5, and 4 and I think while he doesn't always succeed fully, he does a credible job and that this stretching of his skills is good for him and his books. To be fair, his first novel OMW is pretty awesome already and set a high bar; while the actual overall plot line wasn't that unique, he definitely writes it well.

His characters for the most part have a strong sense of humor and witty dialogue which make them fun characters to root for. While his characters are pretty much straight up, he does go for some ambiguity especially in the 3rd book.

Overall an interesting and fun series.
 

yakumo fujii

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#90
Currently reading Pride & Prejudice & Zombies.

I'm about halfway through, and so far it's been an exceedingly amusing read. The zombie scenes are great, as are the other fight scenes. I especially enjoyed Elizabeth's duel with Lady Catherine's ninjas. The narrative flows well and as someone who's not read the original it is sometimes hard to pick out what's been added aside from the obvious. (A note, I have read and enjoyed Austen's Northanger Abbey) The theme of class conflict remains central to the novel, and is illustrated in some rather funny scenes.

I heartily recommend this book.
 

Ordo

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#91
Cowl, by Neal Asher

ItÆs a story detailing the adventures of a few people across time who are witness or involved in a Time War between two opposing groups. The main tale follows a former, programmable, government hit man and a teen prostitute as they are drawn into this conflict.

IÆll admit the teenÆs tale was interesting, but not as much as the government hit manÆs. I really felt he had the best characterization and grew the most. His was the most interesting tale, though to be fair his story line also dealt more with surviving ancient wild life and fast paced battles amongst ancient landscapes than the teens. Her story was one of personal growth as well, but she spends the first part of it traveling through well trod time periods in history.

IÆd easily recommend grabbing this one from your local library. I wonÆt suggest buying it because his rules for time travel are a tadà.odd and IÆm only just getting my head around them.
 

tjalorak

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#92
Just finished reading Magic Strikes by Ilona Andrews yesterday. It's the third book in the Kate Daniels series and it reminds me a bit of Dresden.

Obviously, of course, Dresden's a guy and Kate's a girl and they utilize different weapons of choice - Dresden prefers a staff and Kate prefers a sword - but they're both quick on the snark, they both have mysterious parents and bloodlines, and they both get a huge amount of crap thrown at them in very little time.

I really like the world building in Andrews' books. It's very unique and Atlanta - the setting of the books - almost becomes a character itself as it changes between the waves. Vampires are thankfully not sexually attractive (as Kate calls them "an abomination in progress" since they literally decay the longer they're undead) and it's a little bit post-apocalyptic as people struggle to survive in this new world.

Kate IMO has a hilarious method of dealing with problems. For example, her partner bails on her for Pack stuff during a bounty hunt and she's got one dead guy and one fire salamander. Both are being paid for but she can't carry both of them. Since the thought of leaving several thousand dollars on the ground makes her physically ill, she shows up to the mercenary guild office with a head and the salamander. "Slight logistics problem" indeed! :snigger:

I found the first two books fine but just to note, the first book in the series seems to be her debut novel... I think there's a definite progression in writing skills by the time of the third book.
 

drakensis

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#93
Having been on holiday, I've got a chunk of reading done. First recommndation: The Way of Shadows by Brent Weeks, which covers the youth of his central character, a would-be magical assassin in a criminal underground that essentially controls a weak kingdom... that's right between two stronger kingdoms. Very good, I'll be picking up the rest of the trilogy asap.

The other thing that I enjoed was All You Need is Kill by Hiroshi Sakurazaka. It's an english translation of a japanese novel (publshed flipped with the Lord of the Sands of Time) and it kicks all kinds of ass. I got a copy to review and it's getting three thumbs up if I have hack someones hand off to accomplish that. Think Groundhog Day meets Starship Troopers (the novel, not the movie). I've read enough Groundhog Days style fis to get a feel for the general quality and this is very tightly written, it knows where it's going, there's a touch of the surreal that would have to follow from it and... never, ever ever does a looper stop caring about those around them. It's a real page-turner.
 

Shaderic

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#94
Abhorsen Trilogy, by Garth Nix.

One of the few books I read when I was a kid, and can still enjoy.
It is that awesome. Mogget snark is still WIN, and the setting is awesome.

On the one hand, we have what's basicaly brittain in the twenties. On the other, the Old Kingdom, which is your basic fantasy kingdom, only almost the monsters are manufactured by free magic sorcerors and necromancers. These guys make bells bad-ass. And these two countries border each other. What with the hordes of undead crawling around, among other less savory things, that's a really constested area. Mix in that magic doesn't work, the further away from the Old Kingdom you get, and you just wish you could see the faces of people from way off seeing some of the insane that happens.

Machine gun versus zombie may seem like a closed deal, but when you take into account that high magic can make Tech fail... Yeah, it's awesome.
 

spooky316

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#95
Genesis of Shannara trilogy by Terry Brooks.

Finally, after many years I am vindicated in my belief that his Word and Void & Shannara books are all part of the same series!
 

Sunhawk

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#96
Caught up on the John Taylor series (Simon R Green). Good stories, some supernatural detective stuff and quite a lot of humor (especially in the characters and their names). Taylor reminds me a bit of John Constantine, actually..
 

mortalone

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#97
I just wanted to chime in on a few of these titles.

Eddings since in the past two months I've read almost all of his work.

Belgariad was pretty amazing. The follow-up the Mallorean really dragged on. The Elenium was amazing. The follow-up work, the Tamuli, which I haven't finished yet, has high highs and low lows.

Actually, all of Eddings can be described as high highs and low lows, but the Tamuli is his worst in this regard so far. When the heroes visited the Styric Council and when Mirtai had her angst speech about her past, I almost stopped reading without being able to return to the series. It read like bad fanfiction.

The Sapphire Rose, the third book of the Elenium, is a cover to cover orgasm. A fairly light-hearted, yet extremely intense orgy of battle after battle, each executed extremely well. If there's one thing Eddings does right, it's action scenes.



The Kate Daniels series by Ilona Andrews (Magic Bites, Magic Burns, Magic Strikes) is a really fun short read, much better than most of the other urban fantasy out there, which almost all feature friendly neighborhood vampires who are troubled but cute and hated for reasons beyond their control and end up rescuing (physically) and getting rescued by (spiritually) our protagonist, who is almost certainly a spit-fire of a woman who talks tough and then turns to mush in the arms of her man (TVTropes much?). Here, our protagonist may be a spit-fire of a woman, but she's actively avoiding the men who pursue her romantically. And if anything, she's more "troubled but cute" than they are, but rather than getting rescued in a spiritual sense by them, she actually develops as a character on her own -- gasp.

The world building in the Kate Daniels series is amazing.

The draw back is the writing. Andrews has improved noticeably as an author over the course of these three books, but she still has issues with pacing and providing detail.



Kim Harrison's Dead Witch Walking (aka The Hollows) series also has good world building and is penned a bit better than the Kate Daniels series, but the author has some bad writing habbits. I got a pissed off at Harrison when she had her protagonist locked in a cage, stuck in animal form, and spending her time rating the body of the male villain who captured her. The "erotic moments" tend not to be erotic at all either, often feeling forced.



Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thompson series is probably the best urban fantasy series I've read to date. There's a heavy emphasis on character relationships rather than action, but while there are several male characters chasing after the female lead (when is there not?), the relationships are entirely believable (unlike so many other stories), and the female lead does not just go jumping into bed with them.



As for the Dresden Files, I find myself sometimes very annoyed with Butcher (the author). He seems to enjoy giving Harry lots to angst about and making the odds absolutely insurmountable, but it's as if that's all he knows how to do to keep the flow of action going. Additionally, I tend to feel that Dresden falls into Mary Sue territory more than almost any other protagonist I have read, even in the urban fantasy genre. I don't feel like he's a born-and-raised wizard; I feel like he's a role-player acting out the part of a wizard. Consequently, Dresden will go from a complete coward to an uber badass in the span of a few pages, will say weird shit in his narration, a lot of which is contradictory (though I've heard that Butcher admits to Dresden being an unreliable narrator), and repeat himself many times over.

What I do like about the Dresden Files, more than ANY other urban fantasy I have read, is that he, unlike all the friendly neighborhood vampire authors, brings in some Lovecraftian themes about our inability to deal with the supernatural. Kind of like Buffy the Vampire Slayer before we realized that she wiped the floor with every big bad in every episode of every season (with the apocalypse being an annual event).




Ugh. Do not get me started on Simon R. Green's John Taylor series. I literally threw my book, something I cannot ever remember doing before. I liked the world he created, even if it was unoriginal, but the narrative and the wooden dialogue ruin it. At one point, a man walks up to Taylor and his client and Taylor gives a THREE PAGE MONOLOGUE describing exactly what kind of person that fellow is. That was the point at which I threw the book. Half the time I'm not sure if Green is trying to be scary or funny. He relentless has Taylor repeat the phrase "in the Nightside," and it gives the impression that Green thinks he is terribly innovative and dramatic when he's not.

Worst waste of money I have had since I lost a 10 dollar bill when I put it in my sock on a run (I had something I wanted to buy...).



A good book to read, that I haven't seen mentioned, is The Stepsister Scheme by Jim C. Hines, though apparently Disney wants to turn it into a movie, and it will likely be entirely ruined, so it should be read sooner rather than later. It's a new take on old fairy tales, starting AFTER the "happily ever after" in Cinderella's story, when her stepsisters team up with a witch and abduct the prince. She travels with Snow White and Talia (Sleeping Beauty). Hines uses the original fairy tales as a guide, rather than the Disney versions we all know today, so it's not as light hearted as it may at first sound. Let's just say it took more than a kiss to wake-up Talia and that in Hines' story, unlike the fairy tale, Rape Is Not Love.



I'm also a little disappointed that my favorite epic fantasy author hasn't been listed. Glen Cook's Tales of the Black Company has been my favorite epic fantasy thus far. It's a gray and gray morality story told from the point of view of a soldier in a mercenary band. Cook's writing style is a bit stilted, but it works perfectly for the Black Company because of it being a soldier's perspective, so the flowery sort of descriptive language of someone like Jordan would be totally off.

I've also read Cook's A Cruel Wind and liked it a lot, but it was clearly less refined than the Black Company, which came later. I have to give an extreme YMMV warning and I'd recommend that you read the first four or five chapters before considering purchase. The stitled narrative did not work very well in the third person and Cook's lack of detail made it at times really hard to follow. Still, the story itself, the world, the characters... IMO Cook is amazing.
 

drakensis

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#98
Currently reading the latest Janny Wurtz book. Book 5 of the Alliance of Light: Stormed Fortress. It's as casually brilliant as her progatonist and it's snared me completely. Damn her.

For those not familiar, the Alliance of Light and it's prequel trilogy (Wars of Light and Shadow) chart the feud between half brothers Lysaer s'Illessid and Arithon S'Ffalenn. Working together they're the salvation of a world their families were long exiled from. Torn apart by jealousy, fundamental differences in philosophy and a magical curse, they're tearing the world apart around them, reigniting a civil war that raged over six centuries before.
 

tjalorak

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#99
Just finished reading Jacqueline Carey's new book, Naamah's Kiss. As all her other series set in this world, it's very ... lush. The entanglements in Terre d'Ange were interesting and showed off how love can destroy and how love can enhance / enrich people. It was also interesting to see Carey's version of China and of course, mythological creatures like dragons.

I have to say, I never thought immortal creatures were so obsessed with reflections and contemplating the infinity, but apparently, they are. The dragon was pretty cute though (when he wasn't ripping apart people).
 

generalj7y

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Right Now, I am reading Dune.

I personally love the book and amazed by the amount of detail Frank Herbert put into it. It definitely does deserve its title as the best sci-fi book of all time.
 
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