Ranma ½ Rosario + Ranma

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
There are a multitude of Setsuna's that I'm interested in. That isn't one of them.
 
Belgarion213 said:
Black Dragon74 said:
Belgarion213 said:
I'm pretty sure he count's as that to since you know chaos god, aka formation of a general emotion in the warp gathered into one spot...
Counts as what? You don't specifically reference a post so it's hard for me to make sense of your assertion.
Sorry, It was in regards to your post on Tzeentch.
He pretty much 'does' count as regeneration since to really kill a chaos god takes a bit more than to just blow it up (they are super powerful Daemon's taken up to eleven iirc.

Black Dragon73 said:
á Tzeentch (the entity Sestsuna is fighting) isn't a manifestation of the entire universe, just the really asshole-y bits.
Think of him as the Chaos god of trolls (the kind that post worthless videos on Youtube under the titles of your favorite Abridged series, not the kind that regenerate when you try to kill them).
Well, regeneration aside, those trolls are also characterized by stupidity and brute force, neither of which is very symbolic of the God of trickery and magic.
Really, regeneration is a poor description of what a Chaos God is capable of, lacking as they do a physical body to wound, anyway.
Sorry, I get really finicky when it comes to my Warhammer lore.
 

leeyiankun

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BD, I hope Tsukune will never turn into this <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/rosario-vampire-ii/51/28' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>visual pop sh*t</a> in your story.

Damn, RV II is depressing to read.
 
leeyiankun said:
BD, I hope Tsukune will never turn into this <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/rosario-vampire-ii/51/28' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>visual pop sh*t</a> in your story.

Damn, RV II is depressing to read.
Amen to that.... T_T
 
leeyiankun said:
BD, I hope Tsukune will never turn into this <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/rosario-vampire-ii/51/28' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>visual pop sh*t</a> in your story.

Damn, RV II is depressing to read.
Jebus Christ! :huh!:
 
leeyiankun said:
BD, I hope Tsukune will never turn into this <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/rosario-vampire-ii/51/28' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>visual pop sh*t</a> in your story.

Damn, RV II is depressing to read.
It's strange to think that with every chapter I'm undermining and disparaging the original plot by borrowing its premise.
But that paradox aside, is that really supposed to be Tsukune? Aono Tsukune, Mister Average Identifiable Everyman?
Who shoved a stick up his ass?
 

arthurh3535

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Black Dragon74 said:
leeyiankun said:
BD, I hope Tsukune will never turn into this <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/rosario-vampire-ii/51/28' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>visual pop sh*t</a> in your story.

Damn, RV II is depressing to read.
It's strange to think that with every chapter I'm undermining and disparaging the original plot by borrowing its premise.
But that paradox aside, is that really supposed to be Tsukune? Aono Tsukune, Mister Average Identifiable Everyman?
Who shoved a stick up his ass?
The badguys that kidnapped Moka and are threatening to destroy the world.

Time to Man Up.
 

Tsuki_CB

Well-Known Member
Not that I like R+V, but what's so bad about that pic? It's just vamp Tsukune, we've seen him before without the chain.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
Tsuki_CB said:
Not that I like R+V, but what's so bad about that pic? It's just vamp Tsukune, we've seen him before without the chain.
His effeminate appearance in that picture reminds people of Twilight.


That or people think he looks like he takes it up the grunter.
 
Tsuki_CB said:
Not that I like R+V, but what's so bad about that pic? It's just vamp Tsukune, we've seen him before without the chain.
Twilight similarities aside, it's symbolic of the decay of his character from a two-dimensional but at least identifiable everyman to generic shounen power fantasy, complete with glamorous close-up and tepid badass one-liner.
Didn't Tsukune say somewhere near the beginning of the series that no one deserves to be killed? That's a fairly unique conviction that could be shaken as a result of massive social upheaval and strong character growth in a darker or more cynical direction... Or maybe the author just forgot that their character is supposed to have principles. Sometimes that happens.
 
arthurh3535 said:
Black Dragon74 said:
It's strange to think that with every chapter I'm undermining and disparaging the original plot by borrowing its premise.
But that paradox aside, is that really supposed to be Tsukune? Aono Tsukune, Mister Average Identifiable Everyman?
Who shoved a stick up his ass?
The badguys that kidnapped Moka and are threatening to destroy the world.
Ah, of course. Bad guys plotting to destroy the world. And they kidnapped his girlfriend, too!
What a premise.
But are they going to be okay when finals roll around? Hackneyed action plots are no excuse for shirking your studies, and all that vampire blood probably doesn't help Tsukune do math.
 
Black Dragon74 said:
arthurh3535 said:
Black Dragon74 said:
It's strange to think that with every chapter I'm undermining and disparaging the original plot by borrowing its premise.
But that paradox aside, is that really supposed to be Tsukune? Aono Tsukune, Mister Average Identifiable Everyman?
Who shoved a stick up his ass?
The badguys that kidnapped Moka and are threatening to destroy the world.
Ah, of course. Bad guys plotting to destroy the world. And they kidnapped his girlfriend, too!
What a premise.
But are they going to be okay when finals roll around? Hackneyed action plots are no excuse for shirking your studies, and all that vampire blood probably doesn't help Tsukune do math.
really I was under the impression being a vampire made you smarter?
 
lordofknightmares said:
Black Dragon74 said:
arthurh3535 said:
Black Dragon74 said:
It's strange to think that with every chapter I'm undermining and disparaging the original plot by borrowing its premise.
But that paradox aside, is that really supposed to be Tsukune? Aono Tsukune, Mister Average Identifiable Everyman?
Who shoved a stick up his ass?
The badguys that kidnapped Moka and are threatening to destroy the world.
Ah, of course. Bad guys plotting to destroy the world. And they kidnapped his girlfriend, too!
What a premise.
But are they going to be okay when finals roll around? Hackneyed action plots are no excuse for shirking your studies, and all that vampire blood probably doesn't help Tsukune do math.
really I was under the impression being a vampire made you smarter?
It disappoints me that I can actually see that as being true.
 
lordofknightmares said:
Black Dragon74 said:
arthurh3535 said:
Black Dragon74 said:
It's strange to think that with every chapter I'm undermining and disparaging the original plot by borrowing its premise.
But that paradox aside, is that really supposed to be Tsukune? Aono Tsukune, Mister Average Identifiable Everyman?
Who shoved a stick up his ass?
The badguys that kidnapped Moka and are threatening to destroy the world.
Ah, of course. Bad guys plotting to destroy the world. And they kidnapped his girlfriend, too!
What a premise.
But are they going to be okay when finals roll around? Hackneyed action plots are no excuse for shirking your studies, and all that vampire blood probably doesn't help Tsukune do math.
really I was under the impression being a vampire made you smarter?
I've never seen a vampire who was convincingly smarter than the average human.
Well, okay, there were a few in Dance in the Vampire Bundt, but they were so civilized and advanced that they don't count (besides, all the bad ones were pretty dumb).
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
Dance in the Vampire Bund had the best rationalization for that.

It's like...

Q: if vampires are immortal, super-strong, super-tough guys that can make more vampires out of humans, then what prevents population explosions?

A: vampires instinctively take retarded risks. They literally go out of their way to get themselves killed... as a population mechanism to make space for the next generation of vampire.
 
daniel_gudman said:
Dance in the Vampire Bund had the best rationalization for that.

It's like...

Q: if vampires are immortal, super-strong, super-tough guys that can make more vampires out of humans, then what prevents population explosions?

A: vampires instinctively take retarded risks. They literally go out of their way to get themselves killed... as a population mechanism to make space for the next generation of vampire.
Charles Darwin wants his money back.
 
daniel_gudman said:
Dance in the Vampire Bund had the best rationalization for that.

It's like...

Q: if vampires are immortal, super-strong, super-tough guys that can make more vampires out of humans, then what prevents population explosions?

A: vampires instinctively take retarded risks. They literally go out of their way to get themselves killed... as a population mechanism to make space for the next generation of vampire.
Well, they kind of damages that point by having a main vampire character who's super-security conscious and has layers of planning that I would consider excessive even for a monarch under constant threat of assassination, complete with elite monstrous secret service units, but yeah. It was kind of cool.
That said, the entire series annoyed me precisely because the vampires were so clever and advanced. If you give superhuman undead people guns, fiber-optics, advanced electronic warfare capability, and even NANOTECHNOLOGY, well, the humans might as well start salting their necks and start wearing parsely hats, because we've officially lost.
 

shinzero01

Well-Known Member
Black Dragon74 said:
daniel_gudman said:
Dance in the Vampire Bund had the best rationalization for that.

It's like...

Q: if vampires are immortal, super-strong, super-tough guys that can make more vampires out of humans, then what prevents population explosions?

A: vampires instinctively take retarded risks. They literally go out of their way to get themselves killed... as a population mechanism to make space for the next generation of vampire.
Well, they kind of damages that point by having a main vampire character who's super-security conscious and has layers of planning that I would consider excessive even for a monarch under constant threat of assassination, complete with elite monstrous secret service units, but yeah. It was kind of cool.
That said, the entire series annoyed me precisely because the vampires were so clever and advanced. If you give superhuman undead people guns, fiber-optics, advanced electronic warfare capability, and even NANOTECHNOLOGY, well, the humans might as well start salting their necks and start wearing parsely hats, because we've officially lost.
Until humanity starts making monsters to counter said advances.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
I keep thinking that all the technology is rope from humanity, and the vampires were just given enough length to hang themselves with, you know?

That's probably a deeper interpretation than the author was really getting at, I think.
 

Hawk

Well-Known Member
I don't read R+V II, and the comments in this thread certainly don't give me incentive to.

Also it is perfectly true that while two-dimensional Tsukune was recognizable as an everyman character. Perhaps with a bit of the strong principles that people wish they had. However progressively that just breaks down into a shounen power spiral and breakdown of that morality. Perhaps it could be considered a study of the way power corrupts, but I still find it uninteresting. I would have enjoyed it more if he had gained power through cunning perhaps, rather than power-ups. Rhetoric is a strong weapon!

Though I've probably recommended this here before: <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6942921/1/He_Who_Fights_Monsters' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>He Who Fights Monsters</a> is another R+V fic that I prefer to canon.
 
daniel_gudman said:
I keep thinking that all the technology is rope from humanity, and the vampires were just given enough length to hang themselves with, you know?

That's probably a deeper interpretation than the author was really getting at, I think.
It is kind of neat how the bloodsuckers are at war with each other over something as stupid as who gets breeding rights with a little girl, but still the series seriously challenges my pro-human prejudices.
And the only thing a racist hates more than the race in question is evidence that he's wrong.
 
inverted helix said:
I don't read R+V II, and the comments in this thread certainly don't give me incentive to.

Also it is perfectly true that while two-dimensional Tsukune was recognizable as an everyman character. Perhaps with a bit of the strong principles that people wish they had. However progressively that just breaks down into a shounen power spiral and breakdown of that morality. Perhaps it could be considered a study of the way power corrupts, but I still find it uninteresting. I would have enjoyed it more if he had gained power through cunning perhaps, rather than power-ups. Rhetoric is a strong weapon!

Though I've probably recommended this here before: <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6942921/1/He_Who_Fights_Monsters' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>He Who Fights Monsters</a> is another R+V fic that I prefer to canon.
Tsukune has *always* been willing to try and intercede, even if it was against foes that should have killed him in a single hit. The fact that his power-up has effectively turned him into a super-vampire (after nearly turning him into a mindless and ravening monster) so that he can try to save the girl he loves is fairly ironic, actually.

How many fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and close friend do you think would sacrifice nearly anything to save those near and dear to them?

You are a bit too jaded in how you are looking at it, IMO.
 
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