Naruto Sasuke Doesn't Leave Konoha

[zeebee1]

The problem is that with the curse mark Sasuke should be able to use the chidori more than three times. Also, Sasuke is faster than Naruto until he draws out the Kyuubi. Though at that point Naruto could just heal the damage anyways.

 

[ttestagr]

The problem is that with the curse mark Sasuke should be able to use the chidori more than three times. Also, Sasuke is faster than Naruto until he draws out the Kyuubi. Though at that point Naruto could just heal the damage anyways.

Incorrect. Sasuke can use it twice, the curse mark is needed for him to get a third out. And while Sasuke is faster, not enough so that he can easily deal with multiple Naruto bunshin as we see on the rooftop when Sasuke is only able to hit I think 3 before he starts getting hit.

 

[Masterly]

The problem is that with the curse mark Sasuke should be able to use the chidori more than three times. Also, Sasuke is faster than Naruto until he draws out the Kyuubi. Though at that point Naruto could just heal the damage anyways.

Incorrect. Sasuke can use it twice, the curse mark is needed for him to get a third out. And while Sasuke is faster, not enough so that he can easily deal with multiple Naruto bunshin as we see on the rooftop when Sasuke is only able to hit I think 3 before he starts getting hit.

He was doing pretty good against the Naruto clones at the VotE once he unlocked the third tomoe for his sharingan.

 

[TC_Hazard]

The problem is that with the curse mark Sasuke should be able to use the chidori more than three times. Also, Sasuke is faster than Naruto until he draws out the Kyuubi. Though at that point Naruto could just heal the damage anyways.

Incorrect. Sasuke can use it twice, the curse mark is needed for him to get a third out. And while Sasuke is faster, not enough so that he can easily deal with multiple Naruto bunshin as we see on the rooftop when Sasuke is only able to hit I think 3 before he starts getting hit.

He was doing pretty good against the Naruto clones at the VotE once he unlocked the third tomoe for his sharingan.

That's anime only, IIRC. Naruto didn't use many clones during that fight. Sasuke only fought against regular No tails Kyuubi Naruto with this fully matured Sharingan (granted that's still pretty impressive). Then Naruto went one tail and the fight turned the other way. Then CS1 and CS2 came in.

As a sidenote, Sasuke outright notes that once his Sharingan fully matured his body felt the same as it did when he had the Curse Seal (Level 1) on.

 

[ttestagr]

The problem is that with the curse mark Sasuke should be able to use the chidori more than three times. Also, Sasuke is faster than Naruto until he draws out the Kyuubi. Though at that point Naruto could just heal the damage anyways.

Incorrect. Sasuke can use it twice, the curse mark is needed for him to get a third out. And while Sasuke is faster, not enough so that he can easily deal with multiple Naruto bunshin as we see on the rooftop when Sasuke is only able to hit I think 3 before he starts getting hit.

He was doing pretty good against the Naruto clones at the VotE once he unlocked the third tomoe for his sharingan.

That's anime only, IIRC. Naruto didn't use many clones during that fight. Sasuke only fought against regular No tails Kyuubi Naruto with this fully matured Sharingan (granted that's still pretty impressive). Then Naruto went one tail and the fight turned the other way. Then CS1 and CS2 came in.

As a sidenote, Sasuke outright notes that once his Sharingan fully matured his body felt the same as it did when he had the Curse Seal (Level 1) on.

Naruto used just about no bunshin in that fight. When he was knocked off the monument he used them to create a chain to swing him back towards Sasuke to land a kick. The only other time he used that ability was when he created the rasengan.

Literally his signature most used ability, and he just for some reason pretty much completely forgets that he knows it for that fight.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Part of that I see as a result of the overuse of Kyuubi's chakra. He is not the most tactical thinker like that.

Before that, while it is never really pointed out, I see it as a consequence of the stupid number of clones he used against Kimimaro.

 

[ttestagr]

Part of that I see as a result of the overuse of Kyuubi's chakra. He is not the most tactical thinker like that.

Before that, while it is never really pointed out, I see it as a consequence of the stupid number of clones he used against Kimimaro.

When a bunshin is destroyed, the chakra returns to Naruto. Its a pretty big plot point later on with how he uses that mechanic to recharge his sage chakra.

 

[Shirotsume]

I thought the huge scroll was why the chakra returned? I don't think that's an actual mechanic of Kage Bunshin.

 

[ttestagr]

I thought the huge scroll was why the chakra returned? I don't think that's an actual mechanic of Kage Bunshin.

It is. Remember that going kyuubi made the second bunshin pop, and when Naruto came out of it he was in sage mode because the chakra transferred just about instantly from Mt. Myobozu or however you spell it.

The scroll was just to bring them to the battlefield so they would know it was time to pop.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Part of that I see as a result of the overuse of Kyuubi's chakra. He is not the most tactical thinker like that.

Before that, while it is never really pointed out, I see it as a consequence of the stupid number of clones he used against Kimimaro.

When a bunshin is destroyed, the chakra returns to Naruto. Its a pretty big plot point later on with how he uses that mechanic to recharge his sage chakra.

The remaining chakra, sure. The used up chakra? Probably not. And going all Berserk on Kimimaro has to have taken some. Especially since this is the arc where we find out Kyuubi does take a toll on Naruto's body.

Edit: Also this enter a bit of a tangent, but Effective Use of Kage Bunshins,

Now we know Naruto can make huge amounts of clones (hundreds), but is that the preferred course of action in any situation?

 

[zeebee1]

It's not Naruto's.

 

[Altered Nova]

Naruto really should have used more clones against Sasuke. The reason why is spelled out clearly by Chiyo when they face off against Itachi's weird clone in part 2 - pretty much the Sharingan's only real "weakness" is the limited (i.e. normal) field of view. If you want to beat a Sharingan user, you need allies and they need to flank the Sharingan user and attack them from behind. Considering that, Naruto's signature jutsu is practically custom made for fighting the Sharingan. I wouldn't be surprised if Kage Bunshin was actually invented by the Senju, especially considering it's similarity to Moku Bunshin.

 

[Knyght]

My headcanon is that Hashirama created it so that the rest of his clan could use a clone jutsu that almost as effective as his own Moku Bunshin. Alternatively, it could have been Tobirama since that's his kind of style. Hadn't considered the that it might have been done to screw over the Uchiha though.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kage Bunshin was actually invented by the Senju, especially considering it's similarity to Moku Bunshin.

makes sense.
I bet on Tobirama

 

[zeebee1]

Tobirama is being written as someone who only creates problems. Without a major flaw kage bunshin can't be his creation.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Tobirama is being written as someone who only creates problems. Without a major flaw kage bunshin can't be his creation.

I bet he made the A-rank Kinjutsu(forgetting not everybody has tons of chakra) then somebody else(probably Sarutobi) did tweak it into the b-rank ninjutsu