Nasuverse Servant Archer, Unknown Soldier
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Stephen Alzis loves toying with everything, if I'm not mistaken. I think even the bad guys in the Type Moon universe would learn to to fear or respect Alzis, should they ever cross paths.
Personally I thought it was a good idea by Delta Green to use the spell for contacting the Deep Ones as a live shooting gallery in order to reduce its effectiveness by making the servitor race hesitant to answer the call of the spell.
Considering what Cell A knows about the hazards of Mythos magic, and only gives the green light for spell utilization against dangers of Dunwich Horror proportions or Great Old Ones, I see their point in restricting use of magic.
Personally I thought it was a good idea by Delta Green to use the spell for contacting the Deep Ones as a live shooting gallery in order to reduce its effectiveness by making the servitor race hesitant to answer the call of the spell.
Considering what Cell A knows about the hazards of Mythos magic, and only gives the green light for spell utilization against dangers of Dunwich Horror proportions or Great Old Ones, I see their point in restricting use of magic.
I really should do my assignment.
But eh.
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"This eternal war is...UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS!"
And the sky burned.
Saber roared with laughter. "Good, good, very good, young mage! Perhaps you are not as useless of a Master as I first thought? Now, show me the power of your soul!"
One, then four, then nine, then an endless cloud of swords rose into the air, surrounding Shirou. He raised his arm, and three swords spun to point towards Saber, steel edges glinting under the red sky. "The power of my soul...is in these swords!" Shirou whipped his arm towards Saber, and the three blades flew towards Saber, homing unerringly towards his heart.
Saber was already moving. As the three swords stabbed harmlessly into the ground where he had stood a minute earlier, he looked up to see Shirou hot on his heels, with two swords in his hands and five more in the air. "Do you think to fight me sword to sword, young mage? Then you are a greater fool then that imbecile Jason! I am Saber, strongest of the Seven!"
"Who said I would use my own strength?" Shirou asked, and even as Saber brought up his guard, Shirou hurled one sword, then the next, then the five following him, one after the other.
"If you think that your attack will work again-" but Saber never finished. Seven massive explosions in succession sounded, and a ball of fire covered him. As the smoke cleared and Saber stumbled out, arm nearly severed, an eighth sword sliced cleanly into his chest and detonated.
'Two down, ten to go. Damn it Archer, where are you?' Shirou wondered, as he sprinted across the rust-red ground. An earth-shaking bellow of rage sounded from somewhere behind him, and he cursed. He was out of time.
"DIE!" Saber thundered as he bore down on Shirou, gigantic sword swinging down towards his head...
"Shirou, do you understand why you lost?" Archer asked, as they both sat overlooking a Shogi board.
"I don't know. I kept the principle of war you were talking about, mass, in mind at all times."
"And that was correct. However, there is more to the art of war then simple numbers. Given the correct circumstances, a smaller, elite force can inflict devastating damage to a larger one."
"How so? Wouldn't the larger force simply be able to surround the smaller one and attack from all sides?"
"Correct. Hence why I mentioned circumstances. What sort of circumstances do you think would prevent a larger force from doing exactly as you said?"
"Well...it would be somewhere that emphasizes the advantage of the smaller force, so...the front would have to be small, because one for one, the smaller force is superior."
"Excellent, Shirou. You are learning well. Where would such circumstances occur?"
"A canyon."
"Explain."
"Because the canyon mouth is small and restricted, only a fraction of the larger force can fight at any time, while the smaller force can fight all at once, increasing their effectiveness."
"Precisely. Now, a real-life example, or case study as we called it back in Sandhurst..." Archer drifted off for a moment. "excuse me. A real-life example occurred in 480 BC..."
Shirou raised his arm as if to ward off the blow, and Saber's mighty swing smashed into a row of bronze shields. They shattered, they splintered...but they held, and Shirou was already preparing more swords.
Who wants to guess the NP Shirou pulled out?
But eh.
Update!
"This eternal war is...UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS!"
And the sky burned.
Saber roared with laughter. "Good, good, very good, young mage! Perhaps you are not as useless of a Master as I first thought? Now, show me the power of your soul!"
One, then four, then nine, then an endless cloud of swords rose into the air, surrounding Shirou. He raised his arm, and three swords spun to point towards Saber, steel edges glinting under the red sky. "The power of my soul...is in these swords!" Shirou whipped his arm towards Saber, and the three blades flew towards Saber, homing unerringly towards his heart.
Saber was already moving. As the three swords stabbed harmlessly into the ground where he had stood a minute earlier, he looked up to see Shirou hot on his heels, with two swords in his hands and five more in the air. "Do you think to fight me sword to sword, young mage? Then you are a greater fool then that imbecile Jason! I am Saber, strongest of the Seven!"
"Who said I would use my own strength?" Shirou asked, and even as Saber brought up his guard, Shirou hurled one sword, then the next, then the five following him, one after the other.
"If you think that your attack will work again-" but Saber never finished. Seven massive explosions in succession sounded, and a ball of fire covered him. As the smoke cleared and Saber stumbled out, arm nearly severed, an eighth sword sliced cleanly into his chest and detonated.
'Two down, ten to go. Damn it Archer, where are you?' Shirou wondered, as he sprinted across the rust-red ground. An earth-shaking bellow of rage sounded from somewhere behind him, and he cursed. He was out of time.
"DIE!" Saber thundered as he bore down on Shirou, gigantic sword swinging down towards his head...
"Shirou, do you understand why you lost?" Archer asked, as they both sat overlooking a Shogi board.
"I don't know. I kept the principle of war you were talking about, mass, in mind at all times."
"And that was correct. However, there is more to the art of war then simple numbers. Given the correct circumstances, a smaller, elite force can inflict devastating damage to a larger one."
"How so? Wouldn't the larger force simply be able to surround the smaller one and attack from all sides?"
"Correct. Hence why I mentioned circumstances. What sort of circumstances do you think would prevent a larger force from doing exactly as you said?"
"Well...it would be somewhere that emphasizes the advantage of the smaller force, so...the front would have to be small, because one for one, the smaller force is superior."
"Excellent, Shirou. You are learning well. Where would such circumstances occur?"
"A canyon."
"Explain."
"Because the canyon mouth is small and restricted, only a fraction of the larger force can fight at any time, while the smaller force can fight all at once, increasing their effectiveness."
"Precisely. Now, a real-life example, or case study as we called it back in Sandhurst..." Archer drifted off for a moment. "excuse me. A real-life example occurred in 480 BC..."
Shirou raised his arm as if to ward off the blow, and Saber's mighty swing smashed into a row of bronze shields. They shattered, they splintered...but they held, and Shirou was already preparing more swords.
Who wants to guess the NP Shirou pulled out?
Yep. When I posted Servant Leonidas originally, I called it 'Phalanx: Spartan Glory' or something like that. TBH, I was inspired by a scene from one of the Halo books, where the young SPARTAN-IIs are taught the importance of teamwork (IIRC) as they're shown a hologram of the battle. Plus, I didn't want Shirou pulling out Rho Aias, that's just unoriginal.
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Maybe Sakura/Rider, specifically why Sakura has control over Rider and what the old bastard worm freak filth* thinks of it.
For battle's, Lancer's a possibility. No question that he'd enjoy this kind of match.
Weird thought went through my head, how do you define 'soldier'? Obviously you've got the WWI grunt, but would insurgents be generally counted as well? I'm not saying that we should make the character Vietcong or a Napoleonic Wars Spaniard, but it's a possible route for adding complexity.
In addition, if Archer's identity is Unknown Soldier then how does he think? Does he use every mind of every unknown soldier in a sort of 'majority rules'? Are there some dominant personalities?
If you want to avoid this you could simply state that WWI was the conflict most associated with anonymous soldiers so they have a WWI mind frame.
*I hate him. I was growling every time I saw him while playing Heaven's Feel.
For battle's, Lancer's a possibility. No question that he'd enjoy this kind of match.
Weird thought went through my head, how do you define 'soldier'? Obviously you've got the WWI grunt, but would insurgents be generally counted as well? I'm not saying that we should make the character Vietcong or a Napoleonic Wars Spaniard, but it's a possible route for adding complexity.
In addition, if Archer's identity is Unknown Soldier then how does he think? Does he use every mind of every unknown soldier in a sort of 'majority rules'? Are there some dominant personalities?
If you want to avoid this you could simply state that WWI was the conflict most associated with anonymous soldiers so they have a WWI mind frame.
*I hate him. I was growling every time I saw him while playing Heaven's Feel.
So Shirou saw UnkS's memories.
Or maybe it's a collective NP.
If there's such a thing.
Anyways, the point is it's not that much of a stretch.
Anyways, my problem is more like WHY THE HELL IS HERACLES NOT DOMINATING SHIROU?!
I don't care if he learnt warfare techniques from Unknown Soldier, this is Hera-freaking-cles.
He'll tear Shirou apart. Frankly the whole fight, albeit awesome, is unrealistic. The best Shirou could hope for is a defensive fight, where he should only have a single instant, one chance of touching (much less killing) Heracles.
And this is compounded by the fact that this is Saber!Heracles. I mean, wdf? Two lives gone already?! wdf?!
(I wouldn't have a problem with it if, after being run ragged by Heracles, pressed to the point of desperation, Shirou managed to kill him *once* with tactical traps, feints, and guard lock/break. But this is just... [Alternatively, his once chance he hits Heracles with something that can take all his lives in one go. But too easy again.] )
Why does everyone make Heracles into such a jobber? ;_; I mean, the only one who gets it worse is Gilgamesh.
Or maybe it's a collective NP.
If there's such a thing.
Anyways, the point is it's not that much of a stretch.
Anyways, my problem is more like WHY THE HELL IS HERACLES NOT DOMINATING SHIROU?!
I don't care if he learnt warfare techniques from Unknown Soldier, this is Hera-freaking-cles.
He'll tear Shirou apart. Frankly the whole fight, albeit awesome, is unrealistic. The best Shirou could hope for is a defensive fight, where he should only have a single instant, one chance of touching (much less killing) Heracles.
And this is compounded by the fact that this is Saber!Heracles. I mean, wdf? Two lives gone already?! wdf?!
(I wouldn't have a problem with it if, after being run ragged by Heracles, pressed to the point of desperation, Shirou managed to kill him *once* with tactical traps, feints, and guard lock/break. But this is just... [Alternatively, his once chance he hits Heracles with something that can take all his lives in one go. But too easy again.] )
Why does everyone make Heracles into such a jobber? ;_; I mean, the only one who gets it worse is Gilgamesh.
Unknown Soldier was on both sides of the conflict, and if his Noble Phantasm, or one of his abilities, allows him to show other people memories, or replay certain events, why wouldn't he have been able to show Shirou the battle?
Shirou could have easily traced it then. There's nothing stopping him. There's, what, 200 or so UnSo's on both sides at that battle, at least? IIRC, Shriou doesn't need to be there to trace something, he just needs to visualize it.
Because not doing so to both of them would make them so broken that anybody who summons them might as well have just won automatically. Gilgamesh was 2/3 God, crushed people on accident while wrestling and restraining himself, and it took a God-created BeastMan, who could fuck for 7 days and nights straight IIRC, to match him in strength.
And Heracles could make Natural formations, like rivers and lakes, his bitch.
"Oh hay dar river, MOVE OVER, BITCH!"
"But--" *slap*
"STFU, BITCHES DON'T TALK BACK!"
Had a temper tantrum at the most random of times, for the slightest reasons, and seemed to be able to throw people off the edge of Gaia when he wasn't close to it.
Oh, and Magic didn't do much of anything to stop them.
Shirou could have easily traced it then. There's nothing stopping him. There's, what, 200 or so UnSo's on both sides at that battle, at least? IIRC, Shriou doesn't need to be there to trace something, he just needs to visualize it.
Because not doing so to both of them would make them so broken that anybody who summons them might as well have just won automatically. Gilgamesh was 2/3 God, crushed people on accident while wrestling and restraining himself, and it took a God-created BeastMan, who could fuck for 7 days and nights straight IIRC, to match him in strength.
And Heracles could make Natural formations, like rivers and lakes, his bitch.
"Oh hay dar river, MOVE OVER, BITCH!"
"But--" *slap*
"STFU, BITCHES DON'T TALK BACK!"
Had a temper tantrum at the most random of times, for the slightest reasons, and seemed to be able to throw people off the edge of Gaia when he wasn't close to it.
Oh, and Magic didn't do much of anything to stop them.