Snowblind

lask

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#26
Hmm, having him, well, come in fanfair and prophetic messages will change things - in the series he sort of came onto the scene with a whisper, not a bang. Zuko only picked him up because he was already close, and that wouldn't have been enough it they hadn't screwed around with the fire nation ship.

Also, if everyone important is getting messaged, it seems strange that Iroh didn't. He's one of the most spiritual character's in the series, and the most observent. If any character in the sereis should be getting messages from the universe, he would seem to be the second choice, right after Aang, and Aang only beats him because he is the Avatar.
 

Ina_meishou

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#27
Oh Iroh get's a vision. I just don't intend to write it out at this point in the fic.

But it will be affecting the way Iroh deals with future events in the story.
 

SotF

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#28
lask said:
Hmm, having him, well, come in fanfair and prophetic messages will change things - in the series he sort of came onto the scene with a whisper, not a bang. Zuko only picked him up because he was already close, and that wouldn't have been enough it they hadn't screwed around with the fire nation ship.

Also, if everyone important is getting messaged, it seems strange that Iroh didn't. He's one of the most spiritual character's in the series, and the most observent. If any character in the sereis should be getting messages from the universe, he would seem to be the second choice, right after Aang, and Aang only beats him because he is the Avatar.
Well, Iroh normally doesn't need a 2x4 to the skull to realize things...

B)
 

Ina_meishou

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#29
the end of the reactions to the avatar's rebirth, for now. Briefer, to avoid becoming tiresomely repetitive.

also, towards the end, there's a section where Aang is talking transcribed from sokka's perspective. the words that look like gibberish are deliberately so. Since sokka isn't really understanding them at all.


O0O

All across the world, light flared, and people stopped what they were doing in shock as something spoke to the very core of their being. Some screamed, some fell to the ground in worship, some simply stared, minds burned away by the torrent.

In the Palace of the Northern Water Tribe, in the practice yard that stood near the hall of the Clan Chiefs, an old man with long hair fell silent in the middle of a tirade to an erring pupil. He stood, mouth working silently, his eyes seeming to stare into nothing as the ice before him erupted in a fountain of frost. He shook himself and dismissed the students, all of them. They ran before the could see the pattern graven on the floor.

In a small, cold supply post in the southern sea, a stocky man with thick sideburns went silent in the middle of a toast. The goblet of wine dropped from his hands to spread in lines across the table. Then he gasped and fell to his knees, hands curled tightly on the floor, breath rasping in his throat.

ôLeave meö he grated out, and his guests hurried out as quickly as dignity allowed.

None of them glanced at the quartered circle the spilled wine had made.

In an ancient, ruined shack standing atop a cliff that overlooked a swamp, an old woman picked herself up off the floor. Laughter bubbled in her throat, and her gnarled hands worked against each other eagerly.

She felt a sudden urge to gather certain herbs. Rare and powerful.

Her cackles echoed across the marsh.

In a village that rested just below a smoldering volcano, a wrinkled fortune teller smiled as her apprentice lay shivering on the ground. The girl had not been ready for her first vision, but the call of that spirit would wait for no mortal.

And on a small ship deep in the ice floes of the south pole, an old man sat back quietly in his chair and frowned in thought as he stroked his beard. His eyes never wavered from his nephew's back.

O0O

Zuko was just placing a stone on the middle board of the zho tower sitting between him and his uncle when the world went white.

He was in the middle of diving for the deck to avoid whatever it was when the blazing light cut off abruptly, as if it had never been. He felt, faintly, like he was missing something. A memory on the edge of thought that vanished even as he reached for it.

He put it out of his mind and strode to the prow of the ship, staring at the line of liquid fire that stood over the horizon.

ôJaoö he ground out, and the young sailor nearest him started as he heard his name, ôtell the helmsman to head for that light. Make all speed.ö

The man bowed and ran, but Zuko had already dismissed him from thought. He turned back to stare at the pillar of light.

Then it vanished.

His scream was accompanied by a gout of flames that reached nearly as high as the bridge.

ôControl is the foundation of power, my nephew.ö

Zuko forced himself not to yell at his uncle. It did no good, and always made him feel horrid afterward.

ôI know, Uncle, it's just...it's so clear, whenö

ôNoö the word was harsh, ôthat clarity is illusion Zuko. Rage makes the world seem as clear as spring water, but it paints everything in a wine- haze.ö

Zuko winced. He certainly did tend to do foolish things when angry. And he was of Agni's Blood, even in exile. His men could no more disobey a foolish order than a wise one.

ôYou think,ö the older man went on more gently, ôthat this is the end. That all you must do is to reach that place, and the avatar will fall into your grasp.ö

Zuko nodded, then hung his head. 'fool' he thought, furious with himself, 'as if you've never thought that before'.

It was just like the Northern Air Temple, or the dozen times he'd heard rumors of benders doing things that shouldn't be possible.

None of those had panned out either. Not every oddity came from the avatar.

It did little to calm the pounding in his head and chest, and he turned back to stare at where the pillar of light had been. Even when he focused on his uncle's words, he still couldn't shake the feeling, the knowing, that this was it.

'I will find the Avatar, this time' he thought, 'and I will reclaim my place.'

O0O

ôWhat you are.ö the strange boy said again, as he had every five minutes since Katara, the stupid girl, had freed him from the ice. After the first startled babbling, the boy had started speaking in what sounded like East Rapids dialect spoken by a deranged parrot-cat, which seemed to be the closest language he knew to Sokka's own North Spire dialect.

None of Sokka's attempts at any of the trade languages, or the smattering of Wagchampa he'd picked up from Earth traders did any better for letting them understand each other.

He shook his head again and put a hand over his stomach to indicate himself.

ôSokkaö he said, then punched the boy, lightly, on the arm and grunted an interogative.

This time, it seemed to get through. The boy frowned for a moment, then turned all the way around in his seat at the front of the saddle, and put his hand over his own stomach.

ôAang, me Aang. Be...ö and Aang faded back into incomprehensibility.

Sokka stifled a groan.

By the time the lumbering...thing...had gotten them back to the village, Sokka was feeling rather satisfied with himself. Katara was breathing steadily and didn't show any signs of real hurt, the kid was making more sense, by then he sounded almost as understandable as an East Rapids man, for what little that was worth. And the kid didn't seem so bad, for someone who'd been frozen in a giant crystal sphere of ice for who knew how long...

He felt like smacking himself in the face, and never mind the cold mittens. That hole in the ice was new, he'd been out hunting that way not a month before.

His sister, that hole in the ice, a mysterious stranger...

He went ahead and smacked his face. He'd have to find some way to get her to follow his order not to fool around with waterbending anywhere near the village.

Or at all, if he could manage it.

He pulled Katara down from the saddle and passed her to Kana to tend to, then waved away the crowd that had formed with a few sharp words about finishing their work. The sun wasn't even halfway up the sky yet, and it would be a good two hours before it was time to break for midday.

It took them longer to disperse than it should have, but he didn't feel much need to harass stragglers. It wasn't every day he rode into town one some strange beast with an unconscious sister and a chattering kid.

He walked with the boy, with Aang, while they found a place to drop the beast off, then lead him through the door of his family lodge. It wasn't the biggest, Katugnuk's household had been built to include his entire extended family, and took up five times the space of Sokka's lodge, but it was well made. He deposited the boy on a fur draped over a flat stone and pulled off his parka before sinking to his own similar seat across the room.

ôFire and meat are yours this night, and the shelter of my roof.ö

The boy looked like he understood one word in three, if that, but it didn't matter, it was a ritual phrase.

ôWhere wnglble be? No hear yesterday you ngn! Penguin nat fly? Me penguin nat fly! To Eat?ö Aang said.

And just like that, all pretense of dignity fled the room. Sokka smacked his face again.
 

zeebee1

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#30
He's definitely learning fast. But knowing a variant of their language probably helps.
 

Rakeesh

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#31
Knowing a variant, and knowing how to learn languages maybe even more, I would imagine.
 

Ina_meishou

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#32
zeebee1 said:
He's definitely learning fast. But knowing a variant of their language probably helps.
very quickly indeed.

The reason is threefold. First, as you noted, he does know a variant of the language, it's not a hugely close dialect, but it's pretty damn close.

Second, as Rakeesh noted, aang has the training, the set of mental tools, to help learn languages quickly.

and third, it would be damn tedious to keep this at the babytalk level for three months or more.

<_<
 

clockworkchaos

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#33
Zuko winced. He certainly did tend to do foolish things when angry. And he was of Agni's Blood, even in exile. His men could no more disobey a foolish order than a wise one.
Please, please tell me this is a culture "you can't disobey royal blood" thing. And not embers "Fire Bending includes magic loyalty".
 

Ina_meishou

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#34
clockworkchaos said:
Zuko winced. He certainly did tend to do foolish things when angry. And he was of Agni's Blood, even in exile. His men could no more disobey a foolish order than a wise one.
Please, please tell me this is a culture "you can't disobey royal blood" thing. And not embers "Fire Bending includes magic loyalty".
You mean embers "all bending involves some mental component that effects people's actions" yes?

Anyway, rest easy in that I do indeed intend it as a cultural thing, and not even a "impossible to conceive otherwise" cultural thing, just a "anyone considered sane by the culture would be utterly horrified at the thought" cultural thing.

Of course, that doesn't stop orders from being disobeyed, or creatively interpreted. It just means it's highly uncommon.
 

clockworkchaos

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#35
Ina_meishou said:
clockworkchaos said:
Zuko winced. He certainly did tend to do foolish things when angry. And he was of Agni's Blood, even in exile. His men could no more disobey a foolish order than a wise one.
Please, please tell me this is a culture "you can't disobey royal blood" thing. And not embers "Fire Bending includes magic loyalty".
You mean embers "all bending involves some mental component that effects people's actions" yes?

Anyway, rest easy in that I do indeed intend it as a cultural thing, and not even a "impossible to conceive otherwise" cultural thing, just a "anyone considered sane by the culture would be utterly horrified at the thought" cultural thing.

Of course, that doesn't stop orders from being disobeyed, or creatively interpreted. It just means it's highly uncommon.
Yes, that's what I meant.
 

grant

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#36
Be amusing if he understands Zuko better than his own friends.


That actually could be a good way to reveal what happened, Aang and Zuko arguing over the language.
 

zeebee1

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#37
Well, only those in Omashu would have a better understanding of what Aang says than than someone like Zuko. Well, Bumi can probably speak an Air Nomad dialect.
 

Ina_meishou

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#38
ôHe is Airbender.ö Kana told him as she draped a fur over the sleeping child.

From his seat against the wall, Sokka started. Stories of the Air peoples were told infrequently, and they were always vague and usually contradictory. But one thing that was always clear was that not a single line of Air descent still lived. For this boy to be an Airbender, somehow preserved in the ice for generations...it was like a spirit tale. It was like stepping through the sky-veils to dance in the afterworld with the Forgotten.

He shivered.

ôAre you sure Kana?ö he asked, ôhe's only a child.ö

He almost thought she would pinch his arms like he was a boy, but her arms dropped before she touched him. The small twist of her lips remained though.

ôI remember stories not told since long before you were born, my chief, before your father was born. He has the look, and the marks.ö

Even as she said it, her face fell back into worry.

ôYou said it was early in the day you found him?ö she asked.

ôYes.ö He nodded slowly. ôWhy?ö He'd been careful to keep the full story to himself, and he was nearly certain he'd managed to bully Katara into doing the same once Kanna had woken her with salts and herbs and a swift application of icy water. He wanted to have some idea what to do himself before he let the whole village start dreaming up ideas.

Kanna did not answer immediately. Instead, she stood frowning at the small mounds of Aang and Tuklii and Atagnau, a maternal cousin too young even to learn a mans work. Sokka wasn't sure, but he thought the old woman included Katara's somewhat larger form in that frown.

ôI saw...no, it is not important now. But I do not think that this Aang can remain here. Word will travel, and someday it will travel to the wrong ears. I have seen enough raids from Those.ö

She nearly spat the last word, her face twisting in a mask of hate that brought Sokka's mind to running in a blizzard, naked.

He didn't have to ask who she meant. Nobody in the village, nobody in any village nearby, for that matter, was unaware of Kanna's terrible hatred of the Fire Nation.

No small number shared it.

He laid a hand on her shoulder, she was blood kin, which trumped being female, and stood silent. Talking would be pointless now, the woman was lost to her memories. He squeezed her shoulder, then ducked out of the lodge and began to gather the men. Kanna was a wise voice, and stood for the women in council. If she thought this Aang a threat, it was a thought worth considering. The men could stand to lose a bit of sleep this night.

He ducked under the low opening of the lodge tunnel behind Mungka and let the thick sealwolf hide drop shut behind him. Ten paces on, he pushed aside the second hide and stepped down the final stair and onto the floor of the council lodge. It was a large circular room, seeming empty with only a dozen men, there had been more when it had been built. 'and it will be filled again' he promised himself by rote, as he did every time he entered.

There was no dais or throne, as he'd heard the Earth people used. Council was a meeting of equals, the chief might be the final word among them, but here any man could speak and argue. The floor was flat except for a stone lined pit in the center with a pile of smoldering tarstones resting in it, even now being breathed to full flame by the first man to enter. The light shone off the frosted walls and ceiling, and smoke drifted up to the smokehole with it's complicated arrangement of hide covers that trapped heat inside while letting soot out. The circle was ringed by flat stones, seats. He took his own place to the left of the door, and the others spread themselves roughly evenly around the circle.

Chakta was the first to speak, the youngest always spoke first, getting their business out of the way before the council moved on to the more important talk of the elders. He didn't ask Sokka what he wanted and Sokka didn't interrupt. The matter of the oilfish and the feud with the Whale Chasers over harvest grounds was important itself, and they might as well use the opportunity of the gathering to hash out what concessions they might make in compromise. Then the next eldest stood to speak, this time about the difficulty of finding tarstone in the old pits to the southwest of the point and the prospects of digging new pits to the southeast, then the next brought up plans for the Highsummer rites. So it went on.

It took well over an hour for all of them to work through whatever business they though important enough to bring up, and then it was his turn to speak.

ôKanna thinks my guest may bring trouble.ö He said simply. Formality and ritual had their places, but this was not among them. Council was a time for plain words and plain speaking.

Normally of course, Kanna herself would be here to give her own mind to the men, but he knew the black moods she fell to when her thought turned to the people of Fire, and knew that her voice would be tainted by it for hours yet.

ôDoes she say why?ö Chakta asked, scratching a finger across a chin without a hint of stubble.

Sokka told them.


'I think' he thought into the dead silence that followed, 'I might have to bring Airbenders up more often.'

He'd sometimes dreamed of shutting them up this quickly.

O0O

thoughts?
 

zeebee1

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#39
Sokka, though disgustingly sexist, seems to have some skill at leadership.

He is not going to hit it off that well with Suki if he doesn't make some significant changes.
 
#40
I wonder if you will make something else more realistic. The first thing I thought of when I saw Appa was "god damn how much that thing will have to eat?"
 

Rakeesh

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#42
'Disgustingly sexist' seems pretty extreme. He is clearly sexist to an extent, though, just like canon. Given that ego does not seem to be as near a big a motivator to him as efficiency, though, I suspect it'll fall by the wayside pretty quickly-also just like canon.
 

Ina_meishou

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#43
hmm, Sokka is pretty sexist, by modern western standards anyway. not sure how that showed in the last scene though.
 

Prince Charon

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#44
Ina_meishou said:
hmm, Sokka is pretty sexist, by modern western standards anyway. not sure how that showed in the last scene though.
He laid a hand on her shoulder, she was blood kin, which trumped being female, and stood silent.
Probably this.
 

cgobyd

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#45
Hmm, I wonder what it says about Zuko that among all those named he is the only one to not remember the vision.

Also Sokka taking up a more chiefly role, and thus more responsibility, does raise up the question of how you are going to get him to go along with Aang. I mean it isn't like in canon where he can just drop everything and leave.

So I'm thinking you will either have the fire-raid doing a lot more damage then it did in canon, or that he will be forced to go along with them as to not give the fire nation a reason to go back, and then just gets swept away in the tide of events.
 

Ina_meishou

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#46
Prince Charon said:
Ina_meishou said:
hmm, Sokka is pretty sexist, by modern western standards anyway.? not sure how that showed in the last scene though.
He laid a hand on her shoulder, she was blood kin, which trumped being female, and stood silent.
Probably this.
hmm, that wasn't the impression i was going for at all. i was actually implying a touch taboo.

<_<

ah well, something to ponder
 

zeebee1

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#47
Some things are too subtle for the reader to see. We don't always understand what you''re trying to say.
 

tcm

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#48
I think that the issue is that "touch" is not a taboo that is very typical or enforced outside of highly gender segregated societies, at least in modern times. I tried a quick google search for touching taboos, especially related to Inuit or Eskimo culture (which is the typically accepted baseline of the Avater Water Tribes). The only thing I could find readily brought up were two things: taboos against touching corpses, and the honor that could be expected for some Native American tribal warriors to physically touch an armed enemy without being harmed back during a battle. In most places where "touching" a woman would be instant taboo, just being alone with them would probably constitute an even greater taboo by itself.

Otherwise, I'm pretty impressed. Really enjoying this more realistic take on the Tribes.
 

zeebee1

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#49
I have trouble seeing Bumi being a mad king in such a world.
 
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