SOPA, PIPA, the Feds, Anonymous, and You
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Australia passed similar laws earlier in the year... the Telcos over there are still arguing with the government because over there they did not actually define the data to be retained exactly, but gave a vague overall description. The Telcos have been demanding a specific standard description be set for it listing the exact types of information to be saved.
There has to be some background thing going on. I hate to use the parallel of SEELE in Evangelion but things just keeps seeming to happen that smells of a bigger skunk than the one that's presented in front of the TV. Call it the 1% club or something...
I will note that BOTH Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly voted for this. Granted it was given little time for review and some of it was slipped in literally hours before vote. So our politicians are either lazy, complacent, or complicit in it. Or a combination of all of the above.
The problem is that even calling it "for national security" doesn't trump the constitution. Anyone could challenge any action based on that. The problem is that it's hard to mount a defense from a cell in a "black" holding facility.
When laws are presented like this, it assumes a benign benevolence on the part of our government, and we desperately want to believe in that, but it takes so little to pervert that into totalitarian control...
This isn't a possible takeover at the street level, but one from the top down. One right taken at a time, over time, to keep the sheep complacent, then the lynchpin is popped and the whole illusion of freedom is collapsed, with the soldiers that were once our protectors forced to be our keepers. Kind of a rather disheartening thought.
Convenient that they slip this little nugget of goodness in during the holiday rush when Americans are too busy to pay attention. And people wonder why I suspect a bigger rat...
But, the Sheep will just keep being sheep. Few will demand the recall of their politicians, few will speak up, few will do anything but keep staring at their smartphones or TVs or computers. Honestly, vapid consumption of media (read: complete distraction) along with a promise of security is the most effective tool for domination, and has been for as long as time, because people go into it willingly. Hey, it worked for Caesar and Hitler... It's not till the 'net is turned off that people would really care.
As much as we want to say we value our freedom, few of us actually want to put the work into maintaining it. Until it gets REALLY bad, even fewer will be willing to stand against it.
I will note that BOTH Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly voted for this. Granted it was given little time for review and some of it was slipped in literally hours before vote. So our politicians are either lazy, complacent, or complicit in it. Or a combination of all of the above.
The problem is that even calling it "for national security" doesn't trump the constitution. Anyone could challenge any action based on that. The problem is that it's hard to mount a defense from a cell in a "black" holding facility.
When laws are presented like this, it assumes a benign benevolence on the part of our government, and we desperately want to believe in that, but it takes so little to pervert that into totalitarian control...
This isn't a possible takeover at the street level, but one from the top down. One right taken at a time, over time, to keep the sheep complacent, then the lynchpin is popped and the whole illusion of freedom is collapsed, with the soldiers that were once our protectors forced to be our keepers. Kind of a rather disheartening thought.
Convenient that they slip this little nugget of goodness in during the holiday rush when Americans are too busy to pay attention. And people wonder why I suspect a bigger rat...
But, the Sheep will just keep being sheep. Few will demand the recall of their politicians, few will speak up, few will do anything but keep staring at their smartphones or TVs or computers. Honestly, vapid consumption of media (read: complete distraction) along with a promise of security is the most effective tool for domination, and has been for as long as time, because people go into it willingly. Hey, it worked for Caesar and Hitler... It's not till the 'net is turned off that people would really care.
As much as we want to say we value our freedom, few of us actually want to put the work into maintaining it. Until it gets REALLY bad, even fewer will be willing to stand against it.
Caught on Ziff Davis PC magazine Feed.
As amusing as a simple server timestamp malfunction is, that was not prompted me to post this article here... what did was a interesting little paragraph embedded in it.
Wow... add social networking companies to invasions of privacy and system snooping. While Social networking and personal privacy is a bit of a oxymoron in my own opinion, it has been some time since I heard of one actually actively scanning systems for what you have on it to target you.
Thankfully, I do not use it. Nor Facebook, MySpace, Google+ or most other such sites. I do actually in fact have a Linked In account from 6 years ago, but I only bother to even check it a couple times a year and have it pretty much as shut down as I can.
As amusing as a simple server timestamp malfunction is, that was not prompted me to post this article here... what did was a interesting little paragraph embedded in it.
Wow... add social networking companies to invasions of privacy and system snooping. While Social networking and personal privacy is a bit of a oxymoron in my own opinion, it has been some time since I heard of one actually actively scanning systems for what you have on it to target you.
Thankfully, I do not use it. Nor Facebook, MySpace, Google+ or most other such sites. I do actually in fact have a Linked In account from 6 years ago, but I only bother to even check it a couple times a year and have it pretty much as shut down as I can.
BTW, I know it's been a while since this was posted, but fuck the site that hosted this article.
It wouldn't let me look at the article for more than half a minute before shoving some fucking wall to the forefront of my browser and it wanted me to "Like" an opinion via Facebook before it would allow me past.
I'm not going to any website that won't let me peruse its articles without a Facebook Like.
It wouldn't let me look at the article for more than half a minute before shoving some fucking wall to the forefront of my browser and it wanted me to "Like" an opinion via Facebook before it would allow me past.
I'm not going to any website that won't let me peruse its articles without a Facebook Like.
They'll never get it classified under title II. There's too much money involved and the Sheeple don't care enough to realize they're paying some of the higher costs for internet on the planet. We're also paying some of the higher costs in wireless as well.
All because of corporate cronyism. All because they can buy off politicians at will. The "Unfettered Capitalism" they try to pawn off as gold but it just turns into a stinky pile of poorly hidden monopolistic crap. Well, for everyone BUT those that are leaving the piles, that is.
And the Sheeple let it happen.
Why yes, I have gotten horribly cynical. It comes with watching the same train-wreck happen over and over again...
All because of corporate cronyism. All because they can buy off politicians at will. The "Unfettered Capitalism" they try to pawn off as gold but it just turns into a stinky pile of poorly hidden monopolistic crap. Well, for everyone BUT those that are leaving the piles, that is.
And the Sheeple let it happen.
Why yes, I have gotten horribly cynical. It comes with watching the same train-wreck happen over and over again...
Actually... I somewhat agree... but then, I'm a bit of a pessimistic cynic as well.
I cheat... I have a almost no frills DSL line for internet, with free house phone (only got it as the package deal was cheaper than the DSL itself), and a over the air antenna for free TV, and a 3G pay as go flip type phone for comparatively low costs on internet and rider house phone, and TV free. My costs I consider somewhat reasonable under that mix.
I have two aunts and a cousin whom are paying outright ridiculous pricing on the combinations they are on. I've no clue what rest of my extended relatives are paying, but it is probably bad there as well.
Still... getting this under title II is almost as impossible as getting rid of Soapa/Pipa...
I cheat... I have a almost no frills DSL line for internet, with free house phone (only got it as the package deal was cheaper than the DSL itself), and a over the air antenna for free TV, and a 3G pay as go flip type phone for comparatively low costs on internet and rider house phone, and TV free. My costs I consider somewhat reasonable under that mix.
I have two aunts and a cousin whom are paying outright ridiculous pricing on the combinations they are on. I've no clue what rest of my extended relatives are paying, but it is probably bad there as well.
Still... getting this under title II is almost as impossible as getting rid of Soapa/Pipa...
