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Actually the Rebellion WASN`T everywhere. The Rebel fleet at Endor was IT they had nothing else save for the shipyards at Mon Calamari.The Star Destroyer fleet they met there along with the Ds2 WASN~T the totality of the Imperial forces. According to the radio drama that was only one sector fleet. And still there were more imperial ships about...Interdictor cruisers to prevent the rebels from escaping. Nebulon Bs to escort them etc.
Remeber the DS2 was built in secret and the only reason the rebellion even found out was because Palpatine WANTED them too. Hell if there was a second shield generator on the DS2 ....the Rebellion would have ended there.
Remeber the DS2 was built in secret and the only reason the rebellion even found out was because Palpatine WANTED them too. Hell if there was a second shield generator on the DS2 ....the Rebellion would have ended there.
I am upset. The EU books have been shit for awhile, but this atrocity I just learned of takes the cake.
They turned Mara into a woman in a fridge. :no: If that wasn't inexcuseable enough, her final quote was so OOC that it can't be believed. I'm even more done with the EU then I was before, something I didn't think possible.
They turned Mara into a woman in a fridge. :no: If that wasn't inexcuseable enough, her final quote was so OOC that it can't be believed. I'm even more done with the EU then I was before, something I didn't think possible.
For myself, I dislike the obscene level of powerwanking that is a fundamental precept of vast sections of the EU. Perhaps Jedi or Sith should have been somewhat more special and capable than shown in the films, but if single super-powerful Sith or Jedi could cause a rather large percentage of the Death Star's damage totally on their own, it seems to make the Death Star as a weapon rather pointless.
I tend to defer to "creator's judgment", I guess you could say. It keeps things a bit more interesting, in my view, if you have restrictions.
I tend to defer to "creator's judgment", I guess you could say. It keeps things a bit more interesting, in my view, if you have restrictions.
Calista was a fucking retard and I hated her on general principle. And I was also disturbed by Mara's death. I completly agree, unless Zahn wrote it, it did not happen. And I also agree with the wtf moment when Anderson wrote out Leia's jedi training. That as annoying.
Mostly I ignore the EU stuff. I liked the heir to the empire trillogy (apart from the idiotic idea that 200 dreadnoughts, clone era ones at that, could swing the balance of power in a galaxy wide theartre of war) and the thrawn douolagy. I enjoyed the first couple of X-wing books and did not mind I, Jedi (the Corron Horn one). Other than that I did not like much apart from the Han Salo trilogy which I thought was passable.
Mostly I ignore the EU stuff. I liked the heir to the empire trillogy (apart from the idiotic idea that 200 dreadnoughts, clone era ones at that, could swing the balance of power in a galaxy wide theartre of war) and the thrawn douolagy. I enjoyed the first couple of X-wing books and did not mind I, Jedi (the Corron Horn one). Other than that I did not like much apart from the Han Salo trilogy which I thought was passable.
Well, Karen Traviss has said that she hates the Jedi, is proud of not having read anything other than plot summaries and has an obsession with Mandolorians that puts Kishimoto's Uchihawank to shame.
Hell, her horrid writing (with the exception of her first SW book, which I am forced to admit was actually decent) that exists only to wank the hell out of the Mandolorians and their clones while fucking over everyone and everything else along with her utterly appalling, dishonest and offensive behaviour towards anyone who failed to worship her was what convinced me to abandon the EU entirely, and I put up with the crap spawned by KJA, the NJO and even the damn Swarm war with only minor frustration.
:headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: :lonegunman: :lonegunman: :lonegunman: :flameon: :flameon: :flameon:
Rant over. Maybe the TV series will be enough to blow her shit out of the water, though I doubt it.
Hell, her horrid writing (with the exception of her first SW book, which I am forced to admit was actually decent) that exists only to wank the hell out of the Mandolorians and their clones while fucking over everyone and everything else along with her utterly appalling, dishonest and offensive behaviour towards anyone who failed to worship her was what convinced me to abandon the EU entirely, and I put up with the crap spawned by KJA, the NJO and even the damn Swarm war with only minor frustration.
:headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: :lonegunman: :lonegunman: :lonegunman: :flameon: :flameon: :flameon:
Rant over. Maybe the TV series will be enough to blow her shit out of the water, though I doubt it.
Actually the Dreadnoughts would work in universe. Technology doesn't exactly spread extremely fast in the Star Wars universe and the ships were updated.
The Katana Fleet was lost just prior to Episode 1 and was brand new at that time with a lot of advanced tech for the time.
The ships could easily be updated with better weapons, shields, and engines. You should also consider that Dreadnoughts remain in Service even in the Legacy era.
The Katana Fleet was lost just prior to Episode 1 and was brand new at that time with a lot of advanced tech for the time.
The ships could easily be updated with better weapons, shields, and engines. You should also consider that Dreadnoughts remain in Service even in the Legacy era.
Granted, but the way it was played up was that anybody who found them would instantly gain military supremacy. Thats bullshit. It would take a lot of money to update shields/lasers etc from the Katana fleet, but then you have 200 more dreadnaughts. Not a small fleet, but hardly going to give you supremacy over the galaxy. Maybe a small sector or so, but not the entire galaxy.
From the first book of the series, we saw that Thrawn and the Empire were starved for ships. The entirety of the Katana fleet was at least as much of an upgrade as getting an extra Sector fleet would have been. Even spread around the fleet the way they were, it was a pretty huge boost.
Callista was a fucking annoyance. She brought just about nothing to the story. If any character deserved to end up in the fridge, it would have been her. Not Mara. And what the fuck was up with Mara deciding to leave her body behind in the force for Ben to find?
Callista was a fucking annoyance. She brought just about nothing to the story. If any character deserved to end up in the fridge, it would have been her. Not Mara. And what the fuck was up with Mara deciding to leave her body behind in the force for Ben to find?
thats another thing that m,akes no sense. EU minimalism. Death Star mk2 is 500 miles across. Volumewise thats enough material for 2 billion star destroyers. Crewing them is easy enough you hav cloning technology and droids.
Remeber that one factory on Genosis was prroducing 2 droids a second. Thats
1 minute= 120 droids
1 hour = 7200 droids
1 day = 172800 droids
1 week = 1209600 droids.
All from ONE factory.
Also all of the material sent to the Death star was shipped by a private shipping company, it was assembled on site with a minimal crew, and what you saw onscreen was only a few months work.
Remeber that one factory on Genosis was prroducing 2 droids a second. Thats
1 minute= 120 droids
1 hour = 7200 droids
1 day = 172800 droids
1 week = 1209600 droids.
All from ONE factory.
Also all of the material sent to the Death star was shipped by a private shipping company, it was assembled on site with a minimal crew, and what you saw onscreen was only a few months work.
Thrawn's Empire was the only true "Empire" around. Much of the former Imperial power, including most of the hundreds of thousands of ships they used to have, were wasted by petty former Imperial warlords trying to off each other to be the new Emperor.
The Republic wasn't that much better. Their government was still a bit unstable, and the former Rebellion fleet had taken a pounding at Endor.
The Republic wasn't that much better. Their government was still a bit unstable, and the former Rebellion fleet had taken a pounding at Endor.
Okay
Folks?
Before I break a golden rule, allow me to present some credentals.
US Army CGS College, 95.
Tulane, 2000, MA History(Military)
Regarding Thrawns Dreadnaughts.
200.
In a GALAXY of 1.2 million Systems.
No. No effect.
ESPICALLY Given that all informaton (and yes, they were refitted to pre Ep I techology, given, hell, I'll be generous and say Ep 1) in their existances.
Smaller than the Vic or Venator Class SD's.
Half as POWERFUL as Vicotry or Venator class Star Destroyers.
Explain to me, even with FUCKING AMDRIAL NIMTZ how they were to affect signifcantly the balance of power?
Folks? Lucas has stated REPEATEDLY, that the Rebellion had more ships than he could show in Ep 3.
Look at the text adaptation.
Now, for cold logstical: The Ships were dead in space. Need Crew.
Need Supplies.
Repairs.
200 pre Clone War era ships aren't DIDDLY, to the post Endor galaxy. Period.
not at ALL.
Zahn, and while I DO consdier him one of hte BETTER SF writers out there blew it.
That simple. Thrawn, good? yes.
Great, even.
Except, Zahn's NEVER written in a setting (nor has many, really, out of the current crop of SF writers, acutally) with more than 100 systems TOTAL.
It shows. Galaxy wide combat, and the Rebellion at that point had at LEAST 2 major shipyard worlds...
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
200 PRE CLONE WAR era in effect LIGHT CRUSIERS weren't going to do Jack, and Shit.
That simple.
Even 200 ISD's would be pushing it.
It's all a matter of -scale-.
A.
Folks?
Before I break a golden rule, allow me to present some credentals.
US Army CGS College, 95.
Tulane, 2000, MA History(Military)
Regarding Thrawns Dreadnaughts.
200.
In a GALAXY of 1.2 million Systems.
No. No effect.
ESPICALLY Given that all informaton (and yes, they were refitted to pre Ep I techology, given, hell, I'll be generous and say Ep 1) in their existances.
Smaller than the Vic or Venator Class SD's.
Half as POWERFUL as Vicotry or Venator class Star Destroyers.
Explain to me, even with FUCKING AMDRIAL NIMTZ how they were to affect signifcantly the balance of power?
Folks? Lucas has stated REPEATEDLY, that the Rebellion had more ships than he could show in Ep 3.
Look at the text adaptation.
Now, for cold logstical: The Ships were dead in space. Need Crew.
Need Supplies.
Repairs.
200 pre Clone War era ships aren't DIDDLY, to the post Endor galaxy. Period.
not at ALL.
Zahn, and while I DO consdier him one of hte BETTER SF writers out there blew it.
That simple. Thrawn, good? yes.
Great, even.
Except, Zahn's NEVER written in a setting (nor has many, really, out of the current crop of SF writers, acutally) with more than 100 systems TOTAL.
It shows. Galaxy wide combat, and the Rebellion at that point had at LEAST 2 major shipyard worlds...
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
200 PRE CLONE WAR era in effect LIGHT CRUSIERS weren't going to do Jack, and Shit.
That simple.
Even 200 ISD's would be pushing it.
It's all a matter of -scale-.
A.
Even then, it still pushes it.
Look.
It's like, oh...
adding 200 Panzer Mk IV's to the German OOB in Aug 44.
Just adding more targets.
That simple.
The katana classes were excessivly crew greedy, slow, low armed.
Even refitted (and I have their stats) they were BARELY a match for 2 Corelleian Corvettes, at 10 TIMES the crew of both.
While Star wars tech HADN'T Radically 'improved' between when the Katanas were lanuched, and they were found, some things HAD changed.
Crewing desgins, ship desgins, balance of firepower and speed, etc.
Yes, simliar 'tech' but... the DESGIN aspects had radically changed.
A.
Look.
It's like, oh...
adding 200 Panzer Mk IV's to the German OOB in Aug 44.
Just adding more targets.
That simple.
The katana classes were excessivly crew greedy, slow, low armed.
Even refitted (and I have their stats) they were BARELY a match for 2 Corelleian Corvettes, at 10 TIMES the crew of both.
While Star wars tech HADN'T Radically 'improved' between when the Katanas were lanuched, and they were found, some things HAD changed.
Crewing desgins, ship desgins, balance of firepower and speed, etc.
Yes, simliar 'tech' but... the DESGIN aspects had radically changed.
A.
especially against enemy units like the T34-85, IS2 and IS3.
Actually the beauty of the Katana ships was they were so heavily networked together they needed less crew. It was beacause of this networking they were lost in the first place.
In the movies ep 4-6 you do have 2 types of Imperator class Star Destroyers...one has 12 heavy guns the other 64. Not counting all of the defensive and trench guns they carried.
Andrew oiut of curiosity what kind of ship was the Executor Class Star Destroyer? The 11 mile long monster Vader commanded? Battleship or just a plain command ship?
Actually the beauty of the Katana ships was they were so heavily networked together they needed less crew. It was beacause of this networking they were lost in the first place.
In the movies ep 4-6 you do have 2 types of Imperator class Star Destroyers...one has 12 heavy guns the other 64. Not counting all of the defensive and trench guns they carried.
Andrew oiut of curiosity what kind of ship was the Executor Class Star Destroyer? The 11 mile long monster Vader commanded? Battleship or just a plain command ship?