Nasuverse Stupid ideea
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Meh, I wish I could cheer you up. ^_^
Besides, I wasn't suggesting anything. It was an idea that came up.
While I didn't sugest it, it could be counted as a suggestion, but I shall call it an idea on the making, and without any real foundation to work upon. :lol:
In all seriousness, though, you can just quote yourself about stuff like that. That way, you wont have to keep typing your explanation over and over.
Just a suggestion.
Besides, I wasn't suggesting anything. It was an idea that came up.
While I didn't sugest it, it could be counted as a suggestion, but I shall call it an idea on the making, and without any real foundation to work upon. :lol: In all seriousness, though, you can just quote yourself about stuff like that. That way, you wont have to keep typing your explanation over and over.
Just a suggestion.
Hahaha, I guess FSN n00bs like us really get on your nerves, eh, F1?
Heh, it was just fun to think about. I know I should pay more attention to technicalities in rule bound fandoms like FSN and Tsukihime. I guess I'm just too used to the freedom offered in the Akamatsu fandoms :snigger:
Anyway, apologies. XD.
Heh, it was just fun to think about. I know I should pay more attention to technicalities in rule bound fandoms like FSN and Tsukihime. I guess I'm just too used to the freedom offered in the Akamatsu fandoms :snigger:
Anyway, apologies. XD.
Have to agree with F1. Too many rules, establishments, specific places (fictional places mind you) in the Narutoverse. As bad as it is in the canon now, those rules are still there, screwing up any potential crossover.
Unless you go the parallel universe route, which has its own problems (ego alert! My FMA/Eva fic worked given that alchemy has a way to send people to a different world, with a lot of sacrifice, but it works. Just that, not a good idea to be using that 'method' of crossing over).
Unless you go the parallel universe route, which has its own problems (ego alert! My FMA/Eva fic worked given that alchemy has a way to send people to a different world, with a lot of sacrifice, but it works. Just that, not a good idea to be using that 'method' of crossing over).
Here's one I'd like to see in some Nasuverse fiction:
Tohno Shiki = Assassin.
(Before anyone asks, I mean the Shiki who is the protagonist of Tsukihime. Crossover, yet not out of its own element. Simple, ne?)
Seriously. Mystic Eyes of Death Perception make for a pretty glaringly obvious one-hit kill (a.k.a. assassination-type) technique - it's stated outright that if the possibility of something coming to an end exists, he can kill it. He also has bloodline-inherent assassination skills, being the last of a line of purely-human demonslayers. Finally, depending on which route he's taken from, he might also have the fame necessary to become an Eirei.
Others:
Ciel = Archer, definitely. Black Keys! Hundreds of them! May also fit as Lancer, courtesy of Nanako. (I'd bet she'd be OMGHAX powerful, though, since her "inability to be killed" is something that has become a legend in itself; she might end up with something like Heracles' Godhand. Also, IIRC, she was stated as being superior in power to some Servants in her own lifetime.) This is, however, assuming that she can even become an Eirei at all.
Akiha = Caster, I think. Her special ability could feasibly qualify as a Noble Phantasm-level power (probably not an actual NP, though).
Anyone else?
Tohno Shiki = Assassin.
(Before anyone asks, I mean the Shiki who is the protagonist of Tsukihime. Crossover, yet not out of its own element. Simple, ne?)
Seriously. Mystic Eyes of Death Perception make for a pretty glaringly obvious one-hit kill (a.k.a. assassination-type) technique - it's stated outright that if the possibility of something coming to an end exists, he can kill it. He also has bloodline-inherent assassination skills, being the last of a line of purely-human demonslayers. Finally, depending on which route he's taken from, he might also have the fame necessary to become an Eirei.
Others:
Ciel = Archer, definitely. Black Keys! Hundreds of them! May also fit as Lancer, courtesy of Nanako. (I'd bet she'd be OMGHAX powerful, though, since her "inability to be killed" is something that has become a legend in itself; she might end up with something like Heracles' Godhand. Also, IIRC, she was stated as being superior in power to some Servants in her own lifetime.) This is, however, assuming that she can even become an Eirei at all.
Akiha = Caster, I think. Her special ability could feasibly qualify as a Noble Phantasm-level power (probably not an actual NP, though).
Anyone else?
What's Talk? *clueless*
His fame, I was basing mostly on the killing of Chaos and Roa and his association with Arc. That's bound to get more than a few heads turning, and it might be enough to make him a legend among magical society. Add a few years, and take into account how trouble seems to find Shiki, and you've got the makings of a modern-day Eirei.
I was debating that myself. I think that being a Servant would probably change the damaging aspect of it.
I mean, the whole reason why it hurts him in the first place is because he's a mortal human, and having understanding of the "death" of non-human things is beyond humans, normally. If he's been in the Throne of Heroes, he's a giant leap closer to Akasha (maybe has been part of it) and no longer has a "normal" human body; since he himself would be a Servant, seeing the "death" of Servants wouldn't be beyond him, so no damage.
He'd still have to hit his opponent, of course, so if they were fast enough, he wouldn't be able to one-hit-kill them.
Really, though, the true use of an Assassin-class Servant is to kill the other Masters, not their Servants. Shiki would definitely not want to do this, but one well-worded Command Seal later and slice.
Idea has merit, I think. I remember something about another master in a previous Heaven's Feel being a vampire, so it could work.
...assuming Sacchin can manage to learn magic, anyway.
I suppose so, but I can't see her getting to be famous enough for the job.
His fame, I was basing mostly on the killing of Chaos and Roa and his association with Arc. That's bound to get more than a few heads turning, and it might be enough to make him a legend among magical society. Add a few years, and take into account how trouble seems to find Shiki, and you've got the makings of a modern-day Eirei.
I was debating that myself. I think that being a Servant would probably change the damaging aspect of it.
I mean, the whole reason why it hurts him in the first place is because he's a mortal human, and having understanding of the "death" of non-human things is beyond humans, normally. If he's been in the Throne of Heroes, he's a giant leap closer to Akasha (maybe has been part of it) and no longer has a "normal" human body; since he himself would be a Servant, seeing the "death" of Servants wouldn't be beyond him, so no damage.
He'd still have to hit his opponent, of course, so if they were fast enough, he wouldn't be able to one-hit-kill them.
Really, though, the true use of an Assassin-class Servant is to kill the other Masters, not their Servants. Shiki would definitely not want to do this, but one well-worded Command Seal later and slice.
Idea has merit, I think. I remember something about another master in a previous Heaven's Feel being a vampire, so it could work.
...assuming Sacchin can manage to learn magic, anyway.
I suppose so, but I can't see her getting to be famous enough for the job.
I think a better reading for "Satsujinki" is "Death God's Tool". The Reaper's scythe made flesh, as it were. B)
Yeah, I kinda saw that as an inevitable after seeing a few scenes in Tsukihime where his eyes become powerful enough that the Mystic Eye Killer can't keep up.
Speculation exists as to whether or not his "evolved" Mystic Eyes might allow his attacks to function as if they were conceptual weapons, able to kill the very concept of anything. Scary if it's true.
Might have, but I have a horrible memory.
Sacchin certainly would do it, though. Poor crazy vampire girl.
I've read it now. It's really sad, on a very deep level.
Interesting to note how the Knights are basically using Noble Phantasms. Does that mean Slash Emperor > Ea?
Yeah, I kinda saw that as an inevitable after seeing a few scenes in Tsukihime where his eyes become powerful enough that the Mystic Eye Killer can't keep up.
Speculation exists as to whether or not his "evolved" Mystic Eyes might allow his attacks to function as if they were conceptual weapons, able to kill the very concept of anything. Scary if it's true.
Might have, but I have a horrible memory.
Sacchin certainly would do it, though. Poor crazy vampire girl.
I've read it now. It's really sad, on a very deep level.
Interesting to note how the Knights are basically using Noble Phantasms. Does that mean Slash Emperor > Ea?
Ah I see. This is what happens when you jump into the convasation... in the middle of it and with half a brain. :unsure!:
Though through my limited 'non-fanboy' knowledge of the series, there are a lot of problems any potential crossover fic would have also. I mean, If you simply take Fate/Stay Night, the rules, timeline, etc. fitting another series (that isn't fusion or way AU. <_< ) a little bit on the tough side. This doesn't include even more problems if you want to throw in Tsukihime or the other Type-Moon series. But I'm sure I'm saying anything new. :lol:
Though through my limited 'non-fanboy' knowledge of the series, there are a lot of problems any potential crossover fic would have also. I mean, If you simply take Fate/Stay Night, the rules, timeline, etc. fitting another series (that isn't fusion or way AU. <_< ) a little bit on the tough side. This doesn't include even more problems if you want to throw in Tsukihime or the other Type-Moon series. But I'm sure I'm saying anything new. :lol:
IIRC, the "ki" at the end of Satsujinki is the same one in Shiki's name, which is read as "mind". That's why many fans romanize "Satsujinki" as "ShiKiller" - it's a pun on Shiki's name, nothing more.
BUT... the Japanese (especially Nasu) are fond of incorporating multiple meanings into a single word or phrase. "Satsujinki" is merely a pun on Shiki's name, but it has many other homonyms with meanings so very appropriate that I can't believe it to be anything but intentional.
I've already mentioned "Death God's Tool," but here are a few others:
-??? = "satsujin" (kill + person) + "ki" (machine" = Killing Machine
-??? = "satsujin" + "ki" (oni) = Murderous Demon
-??? = "satsu" (kill) + "jinki" (god + tool) = God's Killing Tool
-same kanji, different reading: "satsu" (kill) + "jin" (god) + "ki" (tool) = Implement for Killing a God
There are tons of others that I could go on with, but those ones are the most prominent in my mind.
(continued from earlier...)
On the subject of Shiki's eyes... Now that I think about it, it's probably the case that his eyes themselves aren't any different - it's his brain that's changing. As time goes on, he'll be able to understand more "imperceptible" concepts, and better withstand the strain of understanding them. This is mostly an impression I got from playing Tsukihime, especially Arcueid's paths.
What I meant by 'destroying the concepts' is different from how Shiki's eyes work. If he stabs a "point," the reason for a concept's existence is destroyed, so the concept "dies" in a domino effect. I think that eventually, he might be able to kill a concept directly, rather than to cut off its reason for existence; this would enable him to kill even things that didn't have a natural lifespan in the first place, like demons (and Arcueid). I also expect, though, that the backlash from this would be instantly fatal - essentially, he'd be attacking Akasha, and nothing can affect Akasha without some kind of retribution occurring.
I just read it again.
Apparently, Slash Emperor is made of Grain, the cosmic substance from which all celestial bodies were made before they became differentiated matter. Ea is said to be representative of the way the world was before it was thus differentiated. So, I guess Ea is a Knight Arm of sorts.
Ea is called an Anti-World-class weapon, and is stated to be capable of destroying entire worlds.
Slash Emperor steals matter from Earth to increase its size and power in response to the scale of the threat it's being used against - thus why it was able to kill Type-Jupiter and Type-Saturn, and also why it was sealed away.
BUT... the Japanese (especially Nasu) are fond of incorporating multiple meanings into a single word or phrase. "Satsujinki" is merely a pun on Shiki's name, but it has many other homonyms with meanings so very appropriate that I can't believe it to be anything but intentional.
I've already mentioned "Death God's Tool," but here are a few others:
-??? = "satsujin" (kill + person) + "ki" (machine" = Killing Machine
-??? = "satsujin" + "ki" (oni) = Murderous Demon
-??? = "satsu" (kill) + "jinki" (god + tool) = God's Killing Tool
-same kanji, different reading: "satsu" (kill) + "jin" (god) + "ki" (tool) = Implement for Killing a God
There are tons of others that I could go on with, but those ones are the most prominent in my mind.
(continued from earlier...)
On the subject of Shiki's eyes... Now that I think about it, it's probably the case that his eyes themselves aren't any different - it's his brain that's changing. As time goes on, he'll be able to understand more "imperceptible" concepts, and better withstand the strain of understanding them. This is mostly an impression I got from playing Tsukihime, especially Arcueid's paths.
What I meant by 'destroying the concepts' is different from how Shiki's eyes work. If he stabs a "point," the reason for a concept's existence is destroyed, so the concept "dies" in a domino effect. I think that eventually, he might be able to kill a concept directly, rather than to cut off its reason for existence; this would enable him to kill even things that didn't have a natural lifespan in the first place, like demons (and Arcueid). I also expect, though, that the backlash from this would be instantly fatal - essentially, he'd be attacking Akasha, and nothing can affect Akasha without some kind of retribution occurring.
I just read it again.
Apparently, Slash Emperor is made of Grain, the cosmic substance from which all celestial bodies were made before they became differentiated matter. Ea is said to be representative of the way the world was before it was thus differentiated. So, I guess Ea is a Knight Arm of sorts.
Ea is called an Anti-World-class weapon, and is stated to be capable of destroying entire worlds.
Slash Emperor steals matter from Earth to increase its size and power in response to the scale of the threat it's being used against - thus why it was able to kill Type-Jupiter and Type-Saturn, and also why it was sealed away.