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ttestagr

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Who else here has seen it? I went this morning and thoroughly enjoyed it. From the start with the nuke and the half of a Termie still trying to cause havok, all the way to final flyaway into the sunset.

High points: Arnold. It caught me completely be surprise. Damn, the governator hasn't been that menacing in a long time. It was fantastic to see again. I'm pretty sure it was CGI, but it was done great and I didn't notice anything to prove it.

The entire T1000 fight was incredibly badass. The last movie didn't show how tough the things really are, and even T2 didn't do it quite as well as this one. You can see yourself being terrified of this machine.

Marcus. Surprisingly enough, I liked him. I went into this excited about Christian Bale and preparing to bear through this guy. But he did a good job. He was really quite cool.

And of course Christian Bale. He brought the badass that adult John really needed and missed in the last movie.
 
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Ordo

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I was pleasantly surprised by this film. It's not on T2's level of awesome but it's leaps and bounds above T3. It did feel a tad rushed, like the film makers were getting through the intro to a longer story as quick as they could. That said, the story was solid, and the acting was well done. The kid playing Kyle Reese managed to impress me and the little girl that follows him around managed to be charming and useful.

I feel this movie was setup, an enjoyable one but a setup none the less. Here's hoping they continue to improve as this series moves on.
 
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shout27

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I'm sorry, or not so sorry, to say that I tend to agree more with Spoony's review over at www.spoonyexperiment.com, the first half was pretty good, but the ending was weak.
A couple of my big personal nitpicks with the movie:
1) Salvaging the motorbike Hunter Killer, if that can be done then it makes no sense that heavy weapons aren't seen outside the base encampments and vehicles. I mean, seriously, every Terminator, with the exception of 'melee only' models, are a source of ammunition and weapons with enough stopping power to put down a 'basic' Terminator. Double the effectiveness, and danger, of such a strategy if the weapons were laser-based as seen in T1. . . or was that scene shown in T2?
2) Well, Spoony does mention this, but how the hell is it even possible for Skynet to know about Kyle Reese being a priority target?
3) Yeah, I'm sick of the machine characters being put into situations where, plot-wise, they have to sacrifice themselves. . . it is now a cliche for the series.
4) The obvious 'Plot Armor' also needs to take a hike, most noticably apparent when the trap is sprung and Skynet fails to have something up it's sleeve besides relatively useless 'Throws of Doom.' I mean, I was seriously expecting Kyle to have been murdered with poison gas. Machines don't need to breath after all, so it's not like such a thing could hinder their effectiveness, with the right gas, given their Infrared Vision.


also, T1000? I think you mean T800, T1ks were shapeshifters made from liquid metal.

edit: I'll also admit that seeing the movie had me thinking that I wanted to see a new 'Mad Max' movie. . .
 
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shinzero01

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CGI Arnold was amusing, but was foreshadowed way back in the beginning of the movie. I did like how this movie made the T-800 actually seem menacing. The 600s were kinda silly looking.

As for him jacking the bikebot... I don't think what he did was really standard issue. Remember, T2 established him as a good hacker. He essentially did to them (and some doors at the skynet facility) what he did to an ATM years prior.

Also, Skynet knew about Kyle Reese due to the events of T1 and it's whole existence being a paradox in the first place. Though, T3 established that skynet was spread all over the world like a virus so I don't see how the resistance expected to destroy it by attacking one facility in the first place.
 
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shout27

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shinzero01 said:
CGI Arnold was amusing, but was foreshadowed way back in the beginning of the movie. I did like how this movie made the T-800 actually seem menacing. The 600s were kinda silly looking.

As for him jacking the bikebot... I don't think what he did was really standard issue. Remember, T2 established him as a good hacker. He essentially did to them (and some doors at the skynet facility) what he did to an ATM years prior.

Also, Skynet knew about Kyle Reese due to the events of T1 and it's whole existence being a paradox in the first place. Though, T3 established that skynet was spread all over the world like a virus so I don't see how the resistance expected to destroy it by attacking one facility in the first place.
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1) nuff said.

2) Being a good hacker has nothing to do with being able to scavenge ammo and weaponry from a dead terminator. Are you going to need some tools and minor know-how? Yes, but when all you've got between you is a single shotgun, I get the feeling that you might take a calculated gambit to get a badder weapon. . . well, I would, anyways.

3) Which is why the movie makes no sense. I got the impression in the first and second movie that the microchips leftover from the terminators were, at most, CPU chips, which have nothing to do with storing memory. Count in the fact that neither of the first two machines had anything to do with contacting Skynet and you have no reason whatsoever for Skynet to even think Kyle Reese is anything more than a veteran. . . if that.
The best thing I can equate it to is what gamers call "meta-gaming" or "table-talking" where writers with knowledge that Skynet doesn't have, came up with priorities that Skynet couldn't possibly be able to put together from the resources at it's disposal. . .
 
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ttestagr

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You forget T3, where the female terminator made Judgement Day possible. I was mistaken in my belief that T3 was being written out of the timeline, unfortunately. But do to that, Skynet would have had knowledge of the time travel and its own losses. Yet still did them anyway, since paradox isn't possible and the timeline seems to be self-correcting.

That last is probably the reason behind Skynet's actions. It knows this, and is trying to find ways around it.


Really, its T3 that is the cause of most of the problems people complain about, and its inclusion the cause behind the problems in this movie.
 
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shout27

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ttestagr said:
You forget T3, where the female terminator made Judgement Day possible. I was mistaken in my belief that T3 was being written out of the timeline, unfortunately. But do to that, Skynet would have had knowledge of the time travel and its own losses. Yet still did them anyway, since paradox isn't possible and the timeline seems to be self-correcting.

That last is probably the reason behind Skynet's actions. It knows this, and is trying to find ways around it.


Really, its T3 that is the cause of most of the problems people complain about, and its inclusion the cause behind the problems in this movie.
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That still means jack shit in relationship to Kyle Reese. The first terminator had no way of sending the knowledge that Kyle Reese saved Sarah Conner. Past that point he was out of the picture, and not even miss badass Terminator could know something that Skynet had no inkling about.
 
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shinzero01

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shout27 said:
ttestagr said:
You forget T3, where the female terminator made Judgement Day possible.? I was mistaken in my belief that T3 was being written out of the timeline, unfortunately.? But do to that, Skynet would have had knowledge of the time travel and its own losses.? Yet still did them anyway, since paradox isn't possible and the timeline seems to be self-correcting.

That last is probably the reason behind Skynet's actions.? It knows this, and is trying to find ways around it.


Really, its T3 that is the cause of most of the problems people complain about, and its inclusion the cause behind the problems in this movie.
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That still means jack shit in relationship to Kyle Reese. The first terminator had no way of sending the knowledge that Kyle Reese saved Sarah Conner. Past that point he was out of the picture, and not even miss badass Terminator could know something that Skynet had no inkling about.
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John didn't really make it a big secret that Kyle Reese was his father either...
Command knew. Who knows who else knew. Hell, it seemed like the only people that didn't know were Kyle himself, the little girl, and the guy who told John he was on a list.
 
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Scygnus Darkhawk

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Hm. Might I point out that Sarah Connor's words were likely stored on a computer at the loony bin? That could have something to do with it.
 
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shout27

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Scygnus Darkhawk said:
Hm. Might I point out that Sarah Connor's words were likely stored on a computer at the loony bin? That could have something to do with it.
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That's the sort of stuff I don't see her mentioning on a recording device. . . given how she knows that he time-travelled from the future.

If the writers are relying on that sort of shitty plot hole, then I'm not even sure if I want to see the next movie. . . especially not if they go time-travelling into the past for more 'conventional warfare' as I've heard on the grapevine.
 
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shinzero01

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Not really a plot hole.

I believe she spilled the beans in a cop interview when arrested in T1. Then she was in the mental hospital in T2 for similar reasons. Then theres John blabbing about Kyle Reese to everyone he knew.


I'd laugh if in the next terminator movie they'd find out that Kyle Reese's name was on John's birth certificate.
 
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Vasey

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Sarah's shown blabbing about the future on video in T2. Also, Kyle talked in his interview with the police and I believe those are always recorded in the US.
 
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