Nasuverse The Arrow: Masked Hero of Justice

[fitzgerald]

Shiro, unlike in F/SN's scenario's, isn't just hoping that by improving his solitary magical technique he can become a "Hero of Justice".

He already is one.

Shiro is in fact the masked vigilante stalking Fuyuki's city's streets battling criminals for the past year known only as "The Arrow."

The Arrow is pretty much the Green Arrow of DC fame done in the style of the Dark Knight. A darker, definately not 4-Colour masked archer who uses fear, intimidation and violence to protect the innocents of Fuyuki City.

Then the Grail War starts to go down, with its assorted death and destruction along with Archer from the F/SN scenarios.

Cue "The Arrow's" intervention.

Which is pretty much all I got. Feel free to take, comment, or modify this plot bunny.


Possible sub-themes:

~ Master of Fuyuki City: Shiro has for some time being using Reinforcement on Fuyuki City to gain a deep understanding of the city he strives to protect. Not all at once, but in small bits continually over time.

This has had some interesting side effects, but mainly it's just an excuse for Gilgamesh to acknowledge Shiro's "kingship" over Fuyuki City and then proceed to challenge him for it in single combat.

~ Shiro's excuses: Unlike canon Shiro, this one has been disappearing randomly over the years for periods of time while he trained under various masters. He needs to cover this up somehow.

Comedy opition: Shiro uses a long string of unlikely excuses ala Inuyasha

"Shiro caught 'Purple mumbles' this time."

"But that's a STD for sheep! How did he catch that?"

"Just don't ask. Just don't ask and don't call the SPCA."

Unknown Illness: Shiro apparently has a very 'Mysterious' illness, no doubt the lingering results of the disaster ten years ago. This results in a highly changed social interaction with Shiro and the rest of the student body.

~ Causal Event: What happened to drive Shiro onto his current path? Was it some disaster, or an attack on his person, or a crime he saw or didn't see in time to prevent.



Ciao

 

[Vascudo]

That sounds kinda interesting, will Illiya and Fuji-nee duke it out for the sidekick spot?
Only to fail as Saber takes the spot for the promise of glorious meals?
Wait, this isn't a parody... OR IS IT?

 

[fitzgerald]

That sounds kinda interesting, will Illiya and Fuji-nee duke it out for the sidekick spot?
Only to fail as Saber takes the spot for the promise of glorious meals?
Wait, this isn't a parody... OR IS IT?

I'm definately aiming to go in about 180 degrees from the Adam West style Batman.

Masked Man of Mystery type deal, where the hero uses his wits, fists, and in this case signature weapon to deal with crime.

Then this Shiro ends up smack dab in the Grail War as he tries to defend 'His' city from these magical monstrosities and their fights.


As for Sabre, well I'm thinking more of a Wonder Woman / Batman vibe from JL:Unlimited. That or the two "Mission first" characters will stumble at one point and need to pick each other up.

Ciao

 

[ksho]

You know...this reminded me that the hyper fate collection released a figure of Archer with a mask/helmet accessory.

It vaguely resembles a Japanese play mask depicting a fierce moustached warrior. I think it'll make a unique look for Shirou:

 

[Prince Charon]

Sorry for the necro , but I've had thoughts relating to this idea:

Is the Archer Rin summons (assuming she summons Counter-Guardian EMIYA, which might not happen, if Shirou doesn't get injured in a similar circumstance to canon) canon!Archer, or the future version of this Archer?

If the Arrow has been operating for a while, its likely that the local Masters will have heard of him, which is going to produce interesting reactions. Rin as an Arrow fangirl, perhaps? On a slightly related note, might he be able to save Bazett?

Also, if the local magic-users figured out that he's a magus, how would the Mages' Association react to him?

 

[zeebee1]

Archer was never an epic spirit. He was summoned because of what he was, not his fame. And Shirou is not likely to become a legend. Not unless he's the legend of Shiirou from several centuries in the future. So unless you think people will remember the heroe he will become for several hundred years he won't be summoned.

 

[firestorm]

Does he still summon Saber in this scenario?

 

[Prince Charon]

Archer was never an epic spirit. He was summoned because of what he was, not his fame. And Shirou is not likely to become a legend. Not unless he's the legend of Shiirou from several centuries in the future. So unless you think people will remember the heroe he will become for several hundred years he won't be summoned.

... or, if he still becomes a Counter-Guardian, which is a distinct possibility. 'Counter-Guardian EMIYA', in that post, referred to each version. You can tell by the way its phrased, if you're not having a knee-jerk 'I think I'll be a jerk' response.

 

[nick012000]

Hmm. I was going to start a topic like this myself, actually.

Basically, a "what if Shirou became a Superhero, and used his power intelligently?"

It starts when he's asked to help someone with their computer. It's acting up. It's also connecting to the Internet, so when he uses his power to understand it, he winds up seeing the entire Internet (which is really just one, giant interconnected machine).

He's a bit shaken by the experience, but he goes home and starts experimenting on his own computer. He realized there's a lot of scum out there, and decides to do some cleaning.

The first thing he does is proceed to hack into the banks of the Russian Mafia by using his magic to manipulate the electrical pulses inside their computers. He then transfers all their money through a bunch of fronts into a secret Swiss bank account. He then wipes all their child porn off the Internet (and any computers connected to the Internet).

Then he proceeds to spend his money purchasing assorted superheroing gear, or the gear to make superheroing gear. With Enhancement magic, he'd be able to make grapnel guns that actually work, as well as a utility belt and assorted gadgets. He'd be able to make a super-suit that he could enhance to be fairly effective armor. He might well go Green Arrow-style, with the best bow money can buy (enhanced to the fullest extent of his magic, equipped with all the flashy sights and with assorted gadget arrows in his quiver, and a virtually never-ending supply of conjured normal ones. He's also got the best sword money can buy, enhanced to his full power (and remember, he can hold off a Servant with a pipe he's enhanced).

When the Holy Grail War starts, he goes into the streets to track down these strange killers before they can strike again. He realizes with his powers, he's the Ultimate Detective. With one glance at a crime scene, he knows exactly what happened.

 

[trevelyan1983]

With one glance at a crime scene, he knows exactly what happened.

Shirou's a psychometrist now? :huh:

 

[nick012000]

With one glance at a crime scene, he knows exactly what happened.

Shirou's a psychometrist now? :huh:

He always was. That's why he can Trace magical items and have them still with their magical powers.

 

[Amodelsino]

Well in canon that only applies to things he can actually trace/project, not something like the internet or the scene of a crime (that's the reason he couldn't read Ea, because it's impossible for UBW to create it).

So is this a Shirou that can trace concepts (way too overpowered IMO), or just one who's psychic?

 

[trevelyan1983]

So is this a Shirou that can trace concepts (way too overpowered IMO), or just one who's psychic?

I think it's more a combination of Nick failing to understand the limits of UBW, throwing in a no-limits fallacy and only paying attention to the anime's scenes. Which is situation normal, really.

 

[nick012000]

Well in canon that only applies to things he can actually trace/project, not something like the internet or the scene of a crime (that's the reason he couldn't read Ea, because it's impossible for UBW to create it).

So is this a Shirou that can trace concepts (way too overpowered IMO), or just one who's psychic?

Hmm? He can project the crimescene, or rather all of its constituent parts, barring something like Gilgamesh using Ea or ORZ mucking things up. If I remember correctly, he can project anything made of Earthly materials; it's just that complex objects don't last very long before becoming homogenous, and anything other than blades take a lot more energy. That won't stop him from looking, at, say, a blood splatter or discarded Coke can, and seeing the history of the object. Then he goes, "oh, that happened when she was stabbed over there," and walks over, and looks at another clue. And another clue. And so on, until he's hot on their trail.

He could probably trace the Internet as well, if he had enough prana to create thousands and thousands of miles of cables and millions of computers, and didn't mind it going all homogenous and ceasing to work after a day or so. He doesn't have the prana, so he just manipulates it like Archer turned a sword into an arrow. He turns one bit of data into another bit of data. It'd be like how he could theoretically trace Excalibur, but doing so would kill him from the prana drain.

 

[Amodelsino]

Did you mean ORT?

You can make UBW able to do whatever you want, it's a fanfic after all. But projecting data still sounds far too complex for Shirou to be able to even theoretically accomplish in canon (given that he's human and all).

 

[trevelyan1983]

It'd be like how he could theoretically trace Excalibur, but doing so would kill him from the prana drain.

Warning - TL;DR ahead.

The problem with Excalibur isn't specifically that it costs too much for him to trace or materialize it. Swords only cost Shirou five units of prana, and he's got almost three hundred units of it when he gets going.

The problem is, Excalibur is a weapon built from the wishes of humanity - as a concept, it's something very big and very complicated, which increases the risks that Shirou will turn his brain into mush, or die from the strain. And he has to understand something in order to create the image of it, which he then materializes.

Further, even if he succeeds and recreates Excalibur, he doesn't have the prana to use Excaliblasts, as it takes something like seven hundred units of prana to fuel one. All of which makes tracing Excalibur difficult, wasteful and ultimately pointless. (Same goes for Avalon, btw - made by faeries and shit, too complicated, etc.)

By the same token, the internet is likely to do the same thing. It's huge, it's complicated, it's only appreciable use is for porn, only stupid criminals will have a computer with incriminating stuff hooked up to the net, etc.

 

[Amodelsino]

According to the Typemoon wiki, he's only got 30 units of prana actually, but I don't know where they got that from, and it doesn't make much sense given that his magic circuits are capable of channeling 10 units of prana each, and he has way more than 3.

Maybe he only has 30 because his magic circuits were never converting mana before he started using them properly in F/SN.

 

[nick012000]

It'd be like how he could theoretically trace Excalibur, but doing so would kill him from the prana drain.

Warning - TL;DR ahead.

The problem with Excalibur isn't specifically that it costs too much for him to trace or materialize it. Swords only cost Shirou five units of prana, and he's got almost three hundred units of it when he gets going.

The problem is, Excalibur is a weapon built from the wishes of humanity - as a concept, it's something very big and very complicated, which increases the risks that Shirou will turn his brain into mush, or die from the strain. And he has to understand something in order to create the image of it, which he then materializes.

Further, even if he succeeds and recreates Excalibur, he doesn't have the prana to use Excaliblasts, as it takes something like seven hundred units of prana to fuel one. All of which makes tracing Excalibur difficult, wasteful and ultimately pointless. (Same goes for Avalon, btw - made by faeries and shit, too complicated, etc.)

By the same token, the internet is likely to do the same thing. It's huge, it's complicated, it's only appreciable use is for porn, only stupid criminals will have a computer with incriminating stuff hooked up to the net, etc.

Uh huh. Perhaps he could use his Reinforcement magic to improve his mental capacity to allow him to take in and manipulate more information to allow him to Trace more complex things? I mean, if he can make his muscles stronger and faster enough to move at Mach speeds, you'd think he could improve his brain to be able to handle the intricacies of human-created machines.

 

[Shaderic]

Tracing does not work like that.

 

[trevelyan1983]

According to the Typemoon wiki, he's only got 30 units of prana actually, but I don't know where they got that from, and it doesn't make much sense given that his magic circuits are capable of channeling 10 units of prana each, and he has way more than 3.

Maybe he only has 30 because his magic circuits were never converting mana before he started using them properly in F/SN.

Wasn't his use of UBW against Gil the first time he'd used all of his circuits? Before that, he'd only been using one at a time?

I'm still not exactly sure how circuits and prana levels mesh, as the math for Rin's max output makes little sense when compared to Shirou's. (500 units, filtered through 40 circuits = 1,000 units!?)

His numbers make some sense at full bore (10 units x 27 Circuits = 270.), but not much sense when he scales back to one circuit, as his prana count is listed as 20-30 units on Fuyuki.

Unless there's some variable I'm missing, which is entirely possible, mathematics doesn't mean what I think it means.

 

[elric]

Trying to trace the Internet would almost certainly cause Shiro's head to turn into mush. It's too big and complex for any human mind to understand.

 

[Amodelsino]

Rin can channel 1000 units because she has two crests, each of which are made up of 30 circuits. Those, together with her natural 40, allow her to theoretically channel 1000 units (even though she only has 500).

EDIT:

Uh huh. Perhaps he could use his Reinforcement magic to improve his mental capacity to allow him to take in and manipulate more information to allow him to Trace more complex things? I mean, if he can make his muscles stronger and faster enough to move at Mach speeds, you'd think he could improve his brain to be able to handle the intricacies of human-created machines.

Technically, Shirou should be able to reinforce the functions of his brain, since Archer's Clairvoyance comes from reinforcement, and he would have to enhance parts of his brain to see like that, not just his eyes.

Despite that, I'm pretty sure canonically he wouldn't be able to, and Nasu had no idea what would actually need to be enhanced to do Archer's little sight trick, just assuming that having 'better eyes' would mean telescopic sight (ignoring that most animals with such sight have horrible motion perception in comparison to humans).

 

[trevelyan1983]

Rin can channel 1000 units because she has two crests, each of which are made up of 30 circuits. Those, together with her natural 40, allow her to theoretically channel 1000 units (even though she only has 500).

Ahhh. And suddenly, the faggotry of the Mage families becomes sensible. No wonder they're always angling to increase magical circuits in their heir, and make sure the best possible heir inherits the crest.

 

[Prince Charon]

Sorry for the necro, but I noticed that no-one had linked a spot that's rather relevant to this discussion: the Trick Arrows page from DC Wiki.

So, the question is, would the Arrow use much in the way of trick arrows, or mostly keep tracing regular arrows? What sort of trick arrows would he use, if he does?

EDIT: Also, since these were mostly ignored, before, I quote myself:

If the Arrow has been operating for a while, its likely that the local Masters will have heard of him, which is going to produce interesting reactions.? Rin as an Arrow fangirl, perhaps?? On a slightly related note, might he be able to save Bazett?

Also, if the local magic-users figured out that he's a magus, how would the Mages' Association react to him?

 

[nick012000]

As long as Shirou doesn't do anything to threaten the secrecy of the mages, I don't think the Mage's Association would do anything. Just look up to the shit Zouken and the-mage-who-would-become-Nero Chaos got up to without the Mage's Association doing anything.