Naruto The Genius of the Fourth

[mortalone]

Although I'm not crazy about the current direction of the manga (I liked it better when it was "Destroy All Monsters"), the idea of molding your chakra to fit a particular person like a glove conjured an interesting "What If" scenario in the asylum I call my mind.

We know based on what Kyuubi has said that Minato had the ability to fit his chakra to a specific person in an instant and that he did this when sealing the Kyuubi into Naruto. We don't know exactly how the sealing process worked, but my hypothesis is that the reason that a sacrifice is necessary is that someone must serve as a conduit through which the tremendous chakra of the bijuu is transferred to the new host. Minato's sealing appears to be special first in that he was both the one who performed the technique and the one who served as the conduit, and second in that the particular method of sealing was so complex yet done nearly instantaneously. This was only possible because of Minato's skill of fitting his chakra to Naruto's.

This is only a theory, of course, but I prefer this kind of concrete explanation over "a wizard did it" even if Minato actually is a wizard, in all three senses of the word.

One more pertinent piece of background information: Uzumaki Mito is said to have sealed the Kyuubi into herself, possibly with the aid of Hashirama, but we know for certain that both she and Hashirama survived this sealing. Something about the sealing technique they performed was different and allowed them to do this.

So, WHAT IF?

What if instead of using himself as a conduit for sealing the Kyuubi, Minato used his ability to fit his chakra to Naruto and then used Naruto to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto using Uzumaki Mito's sealing technique?

The Fourth does not die because it is technically Naruto who sealed the Kyuubi despite Naruto being a newborn incapable of performing any jutsu on his own. Yes, this requires a gigantic leap of faith, but if you are accepting my hypothesis then it should be possible at least in principle. And Minato is a BAMF, so just roll with it (because a wizard did it ).

With the Fourth alive, what changes do we see? Can he save Kushina? Can he stop the Uchiha massacre? Will he be one of the "Chosen" destined to either save or destroy the world?

 

[Knyght]

That's kinda freaky. Earlier today, I was thinking of making a thread like this but where Hiruzen sacrifices himself to seal the Kyuubi with Minato and Kushina's aid, allowing them to survive.

I'll post again with something more useful to say since I've got some related ideas sitting in a document.

 

[wingthesword]

Isn't BAMF the sound Nightcrawler makes?

 

[mortalone]

That's kinda freaky. Earlier today, I was thinking of making a thread like this but where Hiruzen sacrifices himself to seal the Kyuubi with Minato and Kushina's aid, allowing them to survive.

I'll post again with something more useful to say since I've got some related ideas sitting in a document.

@wingthesword Bad Ass Mother Fucker. The baddest of the bad. The baddest mother fucker of all time.

@Knight504 Please do. I've had some interesting ideas for the direction of a story, but nothing concrete.

I ran off a little with this plot bunny to see if I could produce something with the magic I felt from when I first found the Naruto series combined with what we know now that would be wildly different than canon. The idea kind of went like this:

-Kushina does survive. The theory is that jinchuuriki die when their bijuu are removed due to the fact that the body is used to having this second massive chakra source and it cannot adapt to the lack of presence. Minato is able to stabilize her through massive chakra infusions.

-Ultimately Naruto has at least one other younger sibling. Since he has parents who love him anyway and won't have to endure the same loneliness as canon, I decided to go with the theme of "a vessel filled with love." Sappy, but not against the spirit of the manga.

-Minato being alive changes a lot. Kumo doesn't try shit with the Hyuuga (or if they do, no way is Hizashi being handed over). The Uchiha massacre does not happen. I'm going with the theory that Kushina and Mikoto are friends. That said, there is a rift between the Uchiha and the village since it is known for sure that it was an Uchiha who unsealed the Kyuubi. The belief is that the child is an offspring of a powerful Uchiha who had relations with a woman not from Konoha. Possibly Madara himself. The idea that it was Obito or that Madara survived VotE does not occur to anyone. Jiraiya is also more active with the village than canonically and in my version Sarutobi is also alive.

-The consequences of the above bullet point are a strained relationship with Suna. The Konoha/Suna alliance that we as fans tend to think about is largely thanks to Naruto canonically, and we know from canon that these villages have fought against each other in the Second Great Shinobi War. This story features Suna shifting away from Konoha towards a secret alliance with Iwa.

-With the Fourth alive, Danzou does not make a bid for Hokage. I'm going with the theory that Danzou really has been doing what he believes to be best for the village from the start. This means that the incident with Nagato never happened. Rain Country is now the match that could spark the Fourth Great Shinobi War.

-Orochimaru is still out there. Just to be different I thought about keeping him loyal to Konoha, but that would have made Konoha way too strong. As it is they are somewhat ridiculous.

-Shortly after Naruto becomes a genin is when the battle lines for the Fourth War are officially drawn up. Probably when he's taking his chuunin exams, just to keep some rhythym with canon. Konoha's partners are Kumo and Nagato's group "Akatsuki" (not the canon Akatsuki at all). Maybe Kusa as well, not sure. I contemplated Waterfall joining, but if they do, Kusa has to be an enemy. I decided to keep Waterfall (and their jinchuuirki) as neutral.

-Konoha's enemies are Iwa, Suna, Hanzou's faction in Rain, Orochimaru and Kiri, who are not part of the war in the beginning, but launch a surprise attack on Konoha. Kiri is being controlled from behind the scenes by Obito through Yagura. Orochimaru is allied with Obito and his group is located in Sea Country. I decided to move his base of operations because Rice Field Country is between Konoha and Kumo and I didn't want him getting crushed in the opening round of the war.

-No mass Zetsu army. I'm going with the theory that the reason Obito waited three years to start the Bijuu capture plan had to do with making the Zetsu army. This time the war heats up too rapidly and he is unable to produce the mass Zetsu army.



Anyway, none of this is absolutely definitive. It was just one idea for one possible direction. Lots of holes would need to be filled in, lots of decisions made coherent. The Naruto/Sasuke relationship which is so important to canon would need to be rethought, for example. Naruto's relationships in general...

 

[wingthesword]

That's kinda freaky. Earlier today, I was thinking of making a thread like this but where Hiruzen sacrifices himself to seal the Kyuubi with Minato and Kushina's aid, allowing them to survive.

I'll post again with something more useful to say since I've got some related ideas sitting in a document.

@wingthesword Bad Ass Mother Fucker. The baddest of the bad. The baddest mother fucker of all time.

That's kind of what being born means. That at some point your parents had sex. No matter how scaring it is when you're younger or when they're older.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

Namikaze Minato was one of the, if not the most powerful ninja in the world at the time of his death. He was in his early 20's.

How much stronger do you think he'd be 10-15 years later? Especially if he hadn't learnt Senjutsu yet.

 

[Knyght]

I like to think that Minato didn't have a high enough level of chakra to use senjutsu.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

since it is known for sure that it was an Uchiha who unsealed the Kyuubi.

But Minato is convinced the Masked Man was Madara.
This might actually strength the ties of Uchiha and Village People, as the Uchiha are likely to be the first going after "Madara".

This means that the incident with Nagato never happened.

that incident happened during at the end of the Third War. Which means the war lasted months after Obito's "death".

Something about the sealing technique they performed was different and allowed them to do this.

Mito didn't have to both stop Kurama, split his chakra and seal them both.

Currently, the Shiki Fuuin is the ONLY sealing method we know that requires the death of somebody to work. Gaara's mother died because complications, not because of the sealing itself.

Depending on who survive, relationship with Suna is going to be pretty much like before(only Kushina) or worsen(Minato\Minato and Kushina). It's unlikely they would ally with Iwa, though: it seems like the only person less trustworthy than Oonoki is Danzo, as far as the big boys of the ninja world are concerned. At least Oonoki isn't Danzo. Most likely, Suna either uses again Akatsuki or tries something different, like banding together various minor villages suffering the same problem of their work "stolen" by Konoha

Danzo himself, is Minato survives, might not be much of a problem: Sarutobi is still around with a lot of free time to keep track of Danzo's moves, and Danzo might think Minato is what Konoha needed: a new, young STRONG Hokage.
That's it, if Sarutobi doesn't go after Orochinpo. It's likely he'd think dealing with Orochinpo is HIS responsibility

Also on international relationships: there was a minor Konoha\Kumo war after the Third War(discussing the treaty of peace is the reason for the Kumo delegation that tried to lolinapp Hinata). With Minato still around, this is less likely. Minato might actually try to improve relationships with Kumo, because they have a stable adult Jinchriki, and Minato would like that for Naruto, too.


If, instead, it's Kushina who survives, it's unlikely to change anything on the international scenario, except it's probably more likely a peaceful solution to the Uchiha\Village People strained relationship

 

[Shirotsume]

If only Kushina survives, Uchiha relations will likely worsen- remember, she knows that only an Uchiha knew Naruto's birth date, and she doesn't know/think it's Madara- she just knows it's some Uchiha.

Let's not paint everything perfectly- she's hotheaded and irrational enough to blame the Uchiha for this, and blame them hard.

 

[mortalone]

Okay, because I cannot leave this alone now, more bullet points on characters. Most characters are more or less the same as canon, but there are a few who are definitely different:

-Sasuke. Probably the biggest difference. With his clan alive he is no longer an avenger. Instead it is his stated dream, no, rather it is ambition to restore the reputation of his clan. In this he is more supported by his father than in canon, particularly due to the fact that unlike Itachi -- the genius who would do anything for Konoha -- Sasuke is charismatic and tends to leave an impression on people without consciously trying to. (I'm going on a theory about Sasuke's canon character. FF has a tendency to trash Sasuke, but I have to ask all of you, if Sasuke is such a god damn piece of shit, then what does that say about Naruto, Sakura, Ino, Kakashi, etc., who all put their faith in him? My conclusion is that Sasuke isn't nearly as bad as we tend to think; fanon has colored our perspective too heavily. It was a combination of Orochimaru's Cursed Seal and Itachi's mind rape that drove Sasuke over the edge. Yet despite that, there are a lot of people who still want him back in canon, even now.)

-More on Sasuke since point 1 was becoming a wall of text. The guys mostly see him as alright. Sometimes a bit stuck up since he's very serious about the shinobi arts and about his ambition, but he works well with others in teamwork exercises. The girls are infatuated with him. He's brave, talented, charismatic and has brooding good looks. He's the one stealing hearts in the academy. The teachers enjoy having him as a student because of his dedication.

-Naruto is a mostly happy child. He's not quite as separated from Kyuubi due to the seal being weaker than canon, which causes him to endure frequent nightmares. When he was young, his mother had to help him a lot to learn to keep the Kyuubi out of his thoughts. His family and friends are the source of his joy in life and allow him to keep a smile on his face. He is a guy's guy, friendly with pretty much all the guys at school, but the girls don't find him attractive at a young age. Teacher's tend to grit their teeth with him since he's a difficult student. He works hard to be a good ninja, but he's the type who just can't sit still and finds lectures boring.

-Kakashi. His character didn't really seem to come alive in the manga until Part 2. I think his efforts in Part 1 were greater than fanon would suggest. Despite the criticism he endures for not loading Naruto up with ninjutsu, we see explosive growth in Naruto's ability even just from the Bell Test to the Chuunin Exam, before Jiraiya ever trains Naruto. And that said, I think Kakashi is primarily focused on getting them to learn teamwork before anything else.

-Kakashi is from the start much more similar to his Part 2 characterization. Less tardiness and laziness, more dedication to both his own training and his students. This Kakashi hasn't lost all his precious people. At the least he still has his sensei.

-Hinata. This one I am not terribly sure about where I want to go. I haven't seen the latest Naruto movie, but I'm thinking that's a possibility. Since Hizashi was never killed, Neji never went asshole and Hiashi doesn't have such a stick shoved up his *** either. She doesn't need to look for that spirited loser to be the "sun" (not that this Naruto is considered a loser, even if he isn't a "genius" either). So she's much more naturally confident. I don't have a strong role planned for Hinata, but she IS one of the rookies and she won't be "s-s-s-stut-ut-er-r-ring."

Love interest:

-Naruto won't have any love interest from the start, unlike Sasuke who will be dealing with advances from multiple girls, simultaneously interested yet put-off by their forwardness.

-For Naruto, love interests will start to come into the picture around turning 14/15. At this point he's grown much taller and is starting to really come into his own in terms of both looks and power. I'm currently leaning towards Samui, who will be slightly older than him, but not a whole lot.

 

[Knyght]

So all the thoughts I've had on the matter...

Original Idea: Hiruzen arrives in time to take MinatoÆs place, using the Shiki Fuujin himself to seal away the Kyuubi. Following MinatoÆs direction, he splits Kyuubi into Yin and Yang by sealing the former into himself and the latter into Naruto. Kushina keeps the bijuu restrained with her chains whilst Minato helps Hiruzen places the Eight Trigrams Style Seal on Naruto to match what he had in canon.

But going on from the idea proposed in this thread:

- Minato and Kushina both survive. KushinaÆs youth, stamina and genes allow her to survive the unsealing where others would die though she might need medical attention. She might not suffer any long-term damage and retains all her former ability though she may have access to less chakra and slower healing. Alternatively, whilst she might have survived the unsealing her chakra system might have been damaged which prevents her from being able to become an active ninja anymore though she wouldnÆt be a total cripple.

- Minato believes that Uchiha Madara is the one who attacked Konoha which relieves some suspicion off of the Uchiha Clan. But whilst they might avoid the situation they fell into in canon, Minato could try and investigate as to whether any of the clan members have had contact with the masked man. HeÆd also be suspicious of whoever might have leaked the news of his childÆs birth e.g. the elders, Kakashi or Mikoto.

- With Minato still at large, Kumogakure could be less willing to take a chance against Konoha at this time. HinataÆs kidnapping could be avoided entirely so that Hizashi survives, Hinata doesnÆt go through a potentially traumatic experience and Neji at least isnÆt as embittered against the Hyuuga Clan as he is in canon.

- The Uchiha Massacre or even the idea of a Uchiha coup might never come around so Shisui would live, Itachi wouldnÆt leave and SasukeÆs wouldnÆt be horrifically traumatised. Without all that, itÆs possible that Danzo wouldnÆt end up with his Sharingarm.

- Orochimaru would be less likely to leave Akatsuki since it was originally his failed attack on Itachi that acted as the catalyst. Presumably he has a grudge against Minato who beat him to the position of Hokage which could influence his actions. And without the Massacre, itÆs possible that he takes action to acquire a Uchiha body from one the still living clan members rather than aim for the ones who are dangerous to acquire.

- Depending on how you interpret his actions, Jiraiya could become a more regular presence in Konoha rather than disappearing for years. Kakashi could also become a known figure within NarutoÆs life.

- Naruto himself would have the benefit of a loving family this time around. Assuming his status as a jinchuuriki is known, he would still suffer from the prejudice and hate of numerous civilians but its impact wouldnÆt be as large on his psyche. I think it could be interesting if this Naruto has inferiority issues because his father is such a great ninja whilst he doesnÆt appear to have the same genius. A topic that would probably come up with the people he interacts with. In reality, he simply has different qualities to Minato and arguably greater potential but not everyone might realise that. The development of his skill would differ from his canon self but how it could progress in all sorts of directions depending on what the writer wants.

- If you donÆt go the ôNaruto graduates earlyö route, then I like the idea of him being placed on a team with Sasuke and Hinata because of the parallels between them, as each of them are overshadowed by their powerful relations.

- My headcanon has OrochimaruÆs defection taking place not long before NarutoÆs birth (that topic should be in the question thread somewhere), so it could be interesting if Minato/Kushina being alive or having Jiraiya around more results in them creating a method of safely removing the Curse Seal. ThatÆd work in AnkoÆs favour. I like to think both that and OrochimaruÆs betrayal mentally crippled her from reaching her full potential, so itÆd interesting if she achieves it here and become NarutoÆs jounin-sensei. Provided it isnÆt typical Fanon!Anko but one based on various titbits we have about her canon self.

- Finally, I figured this would eventually result in a ôBigger Chuunin Exam Everö scenario where all five great villages participate in KonohaÆs exam and shit hits the fan. The Kazekage jealous of MinatoÆs fame and genius, Onoki whose village got wrecked by him, Ei whoÆs practically his rival and Mei whoÆs trying to make a comeback and taking over the year before. And Orochimaru who wants to fuck over Konoha.

 

[mortalone]

since it is known for sure that it was an Uchiha who unsealed the Kyuubi.

But Minato is convinced the Masked Man was Madara.
This might actually strength the ties of Uchiha and Village People, as the Uchiha are likely to be the first going after "Madara".

This means that the incident with Nagato never happened.

that incident happened during at the end of the Third War. Which means the war lasted months after Obito's "death".

Something about the sealing technique they performed was different and allowed them to do this.

Mito didn't have to both stop Kurama, split his chakra and seal them both.

Currently, the Shiki Fuuin is the ONLY sealing method we know that requires the death of somebody to work. Gaara's mother died because complications, not because of the sealing itself.

Depending on who survive, relationship with Suna is going to be pretty much like before(only Kushina) or worsen(Minato\Minato and Kushina). It's unlikely they would ally with Iwa, though: it seems like the only person less trustworthy than Oonoki is Danzo, as far as the big boys of the ninja world are concerned. At least Oonoki isn't Danzo. Most likely, Suna either uses again Akatsuki or tries something different, like banding together various minor villages suffering the same problem of their work "stolen" by Konoha

Danzo himself, is Minato survives, might not be much of a problem: Sarutobi is still around with a lot of free time to keep track of Danzo's moves, and Danzo might think Minato is what Konoha needed: a new, young STRONG Hokage.
That's it, if Sarutobi doesn't go after Orochinpo. It's likely he'd think dealing with Orochinpo is HIS responsibility

Also on international relationships: there was a minor Konoha\Kumo war after the Third War(discussing the treaty of peace is the reason for the Kumo delegation that tried to lolinapp Hinata). With Minato still around, this is less likely. Minato might actually try to improve relationships with Kumo, because they have a stable adult Jinchriki, and Minato would like that for Naruto, too.


If, instead, it's Kushina who survives, it's unlikely to change anything on the international scenario, except it's probably more likely a peaceful solution to the Uchiha\Village People strained relationship

Did Minato actually say that the Masked Man was Madara? All I can find from canon was Minato calling him "a man from Akatsuki."
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I see a lot of work going into figuring out the truth. Minato tasks Fugaku with uncovering the truth. This task is given so that Fugaku can prove the innocence of his clan. Danzou launches an independent search. Jiraiya is the one who uncovers the "Madara" connection via Nagato, but Obito remains a mystery.

The Peace Treaty between Konoha and Kumo happened about 3 years after the Kyuubi attacked. I have to make educated guesses on the timeline, but I would guess that Minato became Hokage after Iwa was forced to leave the war, but Kumo, Kiri and possibly Suna were still fighting. However, at this point the war was winding down. Hence Nagato's fight with Danzou fits my timeline.

Akatsuki would not exist in the canon form. I see canon Akatsuki as a melding between Obito's hidden manipulations and an organization created by Nagato and Yahiko for delivering peace to Rain Country and perhaps the world as a whole. Nagato was not employing such men as Sasori or Deidara.

What would have been Akatsuki is now partly good guys (Itachi, Nagato and Konan), partly under Obito's thumb (Kisame, Zetsu, maybe others, probably Hidan and possibly Kakuzu and Deidara), and a few potentially working with Orochimaru (Sasori? that would be an interesting combination...).

So Suna can't go running to Akatsuki for help. This is a VERY different geopolitical landscape. With Konoha becoming too powerful, who can Suna turn towards? Make no mistake, the alliance between Suna and Iwa is NOT born of friendship, but of a mutual need to knock Konoha down a peg.

And as I said about Danzou, I'm going with the theory that he believed everything he did was for the greater good of Konoha. He had no ill will towards anyone. He was only a problem in canon because he saw Tsunade as making mistakes and being too headstrong to admit them.

 

[Knyght]

Did Minato actually say that the Masked Man was Madara?

He said it during his fight with Tobito.

 

[mortalone]

@Knight504 Not quoting so as to avoid posts becoming ridiculously over sized. This is basically in line with my thoughts.

A gigantic Chuunin exam is a very real possibility, although Kiri would not take part. Mei is not the Mizukage in my version since I feel she'd be inclined to ally with Minato and company rather than Oonoki and Gaara's shady father. Yagura is Mizukage under Obito's control.

That would be a rather interesting moment to have shit hit the fan. Right smack in the middle of an exam with Four of the Big Five and a host of smaller nations.



Question: does Orochimaru go for Sasuke? Does he choose a more powerful Uchiha? Does he even risk going after the Uchiha at all given that they are all alive?

 

[Knyght]

Whilst he'd probably prefer to have one of the stronger members of the clan or the ones with the greatest potential, I'd think he'd be satisfied with any capable Uchiha with a fully matured Sharingan. He might make plans to go for Itachi, Shisui or Sasuke specifically but it wouldn't surprise me if he took the opportunist route and went after any Uchiha that ends up outside the village.

 

[Antimatter]

- Naruto himself would have the benefit of a loving family this time around. Assuming his status as a jinchuuriki is known, he would still suffer from the prejudice and hate of numerous civilians but its impact wouldnÆt be as large on his psyche. I think it could be interesting if this Naruto has inferiority issues because his father is such a great ninja whilst he doesnÆt appear to have the same genius. A topic that would probably come up with the people he interacts with. In reality, he simply has different qualities to Minato and arguably greater potential but not everyone might realise that. The development of his skill would differ from his canon self but how it could progress in all sorts of directions depending on what the writer wants.

In current canon, this doesn't make any real sense. I mean, they aren't some loaner created by necessity, the hosts are the village trump card, it's deterrent. I can see people being nervous, the way your are nervous around a live nuclear bomb for example, but not hatred like early manage had. It's odd that Konoha is like that, given two Hokages wives were hosts. I figure most would be used to it by now.

Now, Kushina living gives us an interesting plot point: How many know shes no longer the host, ie the fox wasn't resealed in her? She could play the part of the now village bound host while keeping her sons nature a secret from most till the time is right.


As for minato being alive, I can think Naruto is going to have some amazing pressure on him at an early age. Son of the Hokage has got to come with as many downsides as it has perks. I don't think he'll be spoiled like Konohamaru, but he could find himself wishing, at times, he had a normal father and not an internationally known badass. Naruto Namakaze would have a much different school life then Naruto Uzumaki did, that's for sure.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

If only Kushina survives, Uchiha relations will likely worsen- remember, she knows that only an Uchiha knew Naruto's birth date, and she doesn't know/think it's Madara- she just knows it's some Uchiha.

Let's not paint everything perfectly- she's hotheaded and irrational enough to blame the Uchiha for this, and blame them hard.

...this is fanon, man.
She's, like, Fem-Naruto. Or Adult Sakura. A mix of them.
She's more likely to beat the crap out of anybody talking shit of the Uchiha Clan, as accusing a whole clan of a single's actions is simply STUPID as said clan didn't endorsed or gained anything from said action.


Sasuke with his family alive is... well, most likely Road to Ninja Sasuke, maybe less of a flirt.

Hinata with Hizashi alive and Neji not a dick is likely to be still shy and reserved, but not completely lacking self-esteem. Which is lucky, because she's not going to have a Naruto who keep going regardless failures and other's opinion of him.

With at least one of his parents alive, Naruto is going to be a lot happier and less prone to excessive stupid shit. And being his parents quite important people, adults cannot really tell their children they should stay away from him as he's trouble. He's going to have NORMAL FRIENDS, quilling hits thirst for attention. Which is also likely to rise his grades as side effect.




As for Orochinpo, he's still going to want a strong body to endure the stress of Senjutsu Chakra.
Given Kimimaro is likely going to die anyway, this time Orochimaru has a lot of Uchiha to chose from. Most likely, Shisui is going to be his first choice, Itachi the second and Sasuke the third.
he's going to go at them in a different way from canon, though: none of them is interested in offerings of "power"

 

[Knyght]

In current canon, this doesn't make any real sense. I mean, they aren't some loaner created by necessity, the hosts are the village trump card, it's deterrent. I can see people being nervous, the way your are nervous around a live nuclear bomb for example, but not hatred like early manage had. It's odd that Konoha is like that, given two Hokages wives were hosts. I figure most would be used to it by now.

Except this is pretty much how it happens for all jinchuuriki. It's typical for them to be treated with prejudice even when there's been several generations of jinchuuriki in each village. And for Naruto this would be after that Kyuubi goes on a rampage in the middle of the village, demonstrating the incredible danger it represents.

 

[Antimatter]

In current canon, this doesn't make any real sense.? I mean, they aren't some loaner created by necessity, the hosts are the village trump card, it's deterrent.? I can see people being nervous, the way your are nervous around a live nuclear bomb for example, but not hatred like early manage had.? It's odd that Konoha is like that, given two Hokages wives were hosts.? I figure most would be used to it by now.

Except this is pretty much how it happens for all jinchuuriki. It's typical for them to be treated with prejudice even when there's been several generations of jinchuuriki in each village. And for Naruto this would be after that Kyuubi goes on a rampage in the middle of the village, demonstrating the incredible danger it represents.

Right, which makes no real sense given what the hosts are used for and their status as part of the villages defenses. I think so much of it is pre-TS characterization of the hosts clashing with Post-TS host nature.

 

[Knyght]

I see what you mean and can agree with it to the point but I think it can be chalked up to human nature. Intellectually, they understand that jinchuuriki are meant to fight for them but there's an instinctual fear from them having a ridiculous powerful monster inside them. It's understandable that they'd want to distance themselves from the jinchuuriki but because nearly everyone does this, and some do worse because of their own experiences and beliefs, they end up hurting them. Then the jinchuuriki became worse off emotionally and the regular people become scared so it continues in a cycle. And some villages might have worse experiences with them than others which could impact their view.

That's how I try to think of it anyway.

 

[Ashaman]

In current canon, this doesn't make any real sense.á I mean, they aren't some loaner created by necessity, the hosts are the village trump card, it's deterrent.á? I can see people being nervous, the way your are nervous around a live nuclear bomb for example, but not hatred like early manage had.á It's odd that Konoha is like that, given two Hokages wives were hosts.á I figure most would be used to it by now.

Except this is pretty much how it happens for all jinchuuriki. It's typical for them to be treated with prejudice even when there's been several generations of jinchuuriki in each village. And for Naruto this would be after that Kyuubi goes on a rampage in the middle of the village, demonstrating the incredible danger it represents.

Right, which makes no real sense given what the hosts are used for and their status as part of the villages defenses. I think so much of it is pre-TS characterization of the hosts clashing with Post-TS host nature.

ôFear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.ö

 

[mortalone]

I don't think it was widely known that Kushina was a jinchuuriki. We also know that a lot of people were scared of her and that had nothing to do with her being a jinchuuriki. :evil2:

 

[Shirotsume]

If only Kushina survives, Uchiha relations will likely worsen- remember, she knows that only an Uchiha knew Naruto's birth date, and she doesn't know/think it's Madara- she just knows it's some Uchiha.

Let's not paint everything perfectly- she's hotheaded and irrational enough to blame the Uchiha for this, and blame them hard.

...this is fanon, man.
She's, like, Fem-Naruto. Or Adult Sakura. A mix of them.
She's more likely to beat the crap out of anybody talking shit of the Uchiha Clan, as accusing a whole clan of a single's actions is simply STUPID as said clan didn't endorsed or gained anything from said action.

Ankodai, do you make a point to completely rewrite logic when Uchiha are involved?

Keep in mind, this is the woman who beat people so bloody she became internationally known for it- over being called Tomato by some kids. She is not cool-headed. Nor is she buddy-buddy- she's a Whirlpool, remember.

Now let's look at the facts. Kushina nearly gets killed. Minato, her lover, DOES get killed. Kushina is likely crippled. Her son is burdened with the beast.

And all she knows is that some Uchiha did it. Keep in mind- she knows nothing of Madara or Obito. As far as she and everyone knows, there are no non-Konohan Uchiha.

The Uchiha will deny that it was them. It will either look like a snub, like they didn't look into it, or it will look like a cover up. And what ho, it would take a powerful Uchiha to fight with the Hokage... someone who would logically be in the leadership position of the Uchiha to order that cover up.

And keep in mind, it's suspicious as all fuck that the one person she tells- Mikoto- ends up being part of the clan- wife of the head, at that- who seemingly betrays Konoha and shatters her world.

There will be hate there. And while it'll be formed mostly out of grief,mourning, and rage, with no logic... it will be mostly justified with the facts known.

We already know the village is going to absolutely bust the Uchiha's balls on this- they did so hard in canon over just a SUSPICION that the Uchiha tried a coup to get some freedom. Here? here they KNOW it was an Uchiha, and there aren't any rogues known.

 

[Ashaman]

And keep in mind, it's suspicious as all fuck that the one person she tells- Mikoto- ends up being part of the clan- wife of the head, at that- who seemingly betrays Konoha and shatters her world.

I don't care about the rest of your post either way, but...

There is no evidence that Mikoto knew where or when Kushina was having Naruto.

All she knew is that Naruto was "almost due".

Not "I'm leaving the village in order to induce birth".

Also, through the thread of conversation, it doesn't seem as though the two have seen each other in months.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Dude, do YOU turn off logic when Uchihas are involved?
She's not stupid. Sure, hot blooded and quite violent when enraged, but not STUPID.
Why the hell should she think the clan of one of her friend, which is the wife of the clan head, was involved with the whole thing?

Given her personality was said to be pretty much like Naruto's, she's not going to suspect her friend. And given she has seen at least some of the abilities of the Masked Man, abilities nobody in the clan should have(she's going to ask Mikoto and trust her on this), it's even more unlikely she's going to become angry at the whole clan for that.
At worse, she's might get angry if they try to cover up a sharingan was involved and that's a big IF.

So either it was a big clan-wide conspiracy(and she's not going to believe Mikoto is involved, and a clan-wide conspiracy without the jonin wife of the clan head is quite unlikely) or somebody outside the clan.


Remember: persons are intelligent, people are stupid.