The Old Republic
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Jedi Jesus was much more of a badass than Revan because Revan had that whole "destiny of the force" or somesuch minor prophesy-like thing (Chosen One on a smaller scale), yet the Exile was just your average dude (with the Force) who got things done without having some divine fate behind him. In fact, Kreia so admires him because he is a hole in the Force. You know how all the Jedi say that everything touched by the Force has a destiny? Which means basically the entire galaxy? The Exile said, "Screw That", and saved the Republic without no kriffing destiny behind him.
Does anyone think there will be any references to Kreia and her philosophies in the game or was she too good at staying hidden in the background with such a low profile that even most Forcedars couldn't pinpoint her. If she left any Sith holocrons or holobooks behind my bet is that the Sith Emperor would either want to confiscate or destroy them.
Looks like we'll see some wanking, they just released a 5min demo of the Eternity Vault instance which apparently is a forgotten Rakatan prison where they housed the nastiest fuckers they could find during the height of the Infinite Empire. Considering their society was built upon enslaving and exterminating entire species across the entire galaxy that's saying something. And the endboss for the instance is supposedly the most powerful force wielder seen in 20000 years and could apparently upset the balance of the war by himself.
My expectations are steadily sinking.
My expectations are steadily sinking.
In the most recent pvp videos from the conventions the non-force users seem to be winning most of the fights.
This might not be how it actually is considering people were being thrown straight into it but bioware has probably tried to find some kind of balance.
Also, if you only play a force wielder you will never be able to get a jawa or wookie companion either.
Here is a video of what you can expect the ship combat to be like
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf36KlvhmKI' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf36KlvhmKI</a>
Its nothing special but like he said you could do a mission while waiting for a group to come online.
If you want to see what the character creation and some pvp is like this guy has broken the NDA and is posting videos.
<a href='http://betafootage.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://betafootage.com/</a>
This might not be how it actually is considering people were being thrown straight into it but bioware has probably tried to find some kind of balance.
Also, if you only play a force wielder you will never be able to get a jawa or wookie companion either.
Here is a video of what you can expect the ship combat to be like
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf36KlvhmKI' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf36KlvhmKI</a>
Its nothing special but like he said you could do a mission while waiting for a group to come online.
If you want to see what the character creation and some pvp is like this guy has broken the NDA and is posting videos.
<a href='http://betafootage.com/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://betafootage.com/</a>
Each side has 4 classes to choose from and each of these has 2 advanced classes
I think aside from the knight and warrior everyone can heal and aside from smuggler and agent everyone can tank.
here is how each class will progress
Republic
Jedi Knight
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuejHGz_xE' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuejHGz_xE</a>
Trooper
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFoQDDYlF3I' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFoQDDYlF3I</a>
Smuggler
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRD8wZ0avY' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRD8wZ0avY</a>
Jedi Consular
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjrXURyCa_A' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjrXURyCa_A</a>
Sith Empire
Sith Warrior
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV9JjVwcCmk' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV9JjVwcCmk</a>
Bounty Hunter
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bu0J8eNe08' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bu0J8eNe08</a>
Imperial Agent
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8vLU5xaww' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8vLU5xaww</a>
Sith Inquisitor
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwfOBZYlYs' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwfOBZYlYs</a>
I'll add more as they get released.
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I think aside from the knight and warrior everyone can heal and aside from smuggler and agent everyone can tank.
here is how each class will progress
Republic
Jedi Knight
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuejHGz_xE' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFuejHGz_xE</a>
Trooper
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFoQDDYlF3I' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFoQDDYlF3I</a>
Smuggler
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRD8wZ0avY' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRD8wZ0avY</a>
Jedi Consular
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjrXURyCa_A' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjrXURyCa_A</a>
Sith Empire
Sith Warrior
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV9JjVwcCmk' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV9JjVwcCmk</a>
Bounty Hunter
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bu0J8eNe08' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bu0J8eNe08</a>
Imperial Agent
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8vLU5xaww' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8vLU5xaww</a>
Sith Inquisitor
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwfOBZYlYs' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqwfOBZYlYs</a>
I'll add more as they get released.
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Found some <a href='http://www.alterswtor.com/archives/2027' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>leaked videos</a> of the HK47/Revan instance.
In short, they both get schooled separately by 4 lvl~30 players in 5 minutes.
As if that wasn't bad enough, his character design is complete shit, a balding anorexic with 80-style shoulder pads and Bioware has completed the rape of one of the few EU characters worth reading about. He whines about how he fell to the darkside, completely ignoring his characterization from kotor 1&2, apparently the Emperor 'called to him from across the galaxy' and he came running like a dog looking for a treat and then got turned by the Emperor just like that.
Fuck you Bioware, Fuck you with a fucking fuck.
In short, they both get schooled separately by 4 lvl~30 players in 5 minutes.
As if that wasn't bad enough, his character design is complete shit, a balding anorexic with 80-style shoulder pads and Bioware has completed the rape of one of the few EU characters worth reading about. He whines about how he fell to the darkside, completely ignoring his characterization from kotor 1&2, apparently the Emperor 'called to him from across the galaxy' and he came running like a dog looking for a treat and then got turned by the Emperor just like that.
Fuck you Bioware, Fuck you with a fucking fuck.
Did you miss the part of TCW where they were going to make Revan evil? I mean it's GL' tale if he mandates that Revan be evil all along, he's evil all along. At least in the official work.
Edit: Just took a look at it and I don't see the problem. The party was made up of Sith and they didn't bother to talk to him, of ourse we wouldn't learn anything more if the party chooses just to kill him.
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See this is how fanwankery can go wrong. We assume everything we learned about Revan from people who wer not him must be truth, and one of the people we learned about him from was a woman with the word betrayal in her name. Then we say he's been pussified because he dies. Yes he died 300 years later after stalling an imperial fleet by himself. Which also means he came back from his trip beyond the rim to Imperial space and who knows what he faced during that journey.
So yeah he died in battle, fighting against the evil he once served (even if it was only to gain power for himself) I'm good with that death.
Edit: Just took a look at it and I don't see the problem. The party was made up of Sith and they didn't bother to talk to him, of ourse we wouldn't learn anything more if the party chooses just to kill him.
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See this is how fanwankery can go wrong. We assume everything we learned about Revan from people who wer not him must be truth, and one of the people we learned about him from was a woman with the word betrayal in her name. Then we say he's been pussified because he dies. Yes he died 300 years later after stalling an imperial fleet by himself. Which also means he came back from his trip beyond the rim to Imperial space and who knows what he faced during that journey.
So yeah he died in battle, fighting against the evil he once served (even if it was only to gain power for himself) I'm good with that death.
My problem is that Bioware took a completely unique character in the sw universe and gave him a Standard Sith Makeover. All the appeal of the character is gone now that it turns out that he's just another arrogant jedi who stuck his nose into business he shouldn't have and is now just another "Rawwrrr moar power!!!!111" one-dimensional sith archetype.
Post-trilogy eu is already largely shit, now Lucasarts has started shitting on pre-trilogy eu too, soon there won't be one period in the sw universe that hasn't been painted with the brush of fail by whatever idiots Lucasarts has decided should have next crack at fucking it all up.
As for the fan-wankery, his actions speak for themselves. Revan singlehandedly won a war against a superior opponent, defeated two of the most skilled warriors of his age with ease, fought an army of dark-side generated war-droids and dark jedi/sith alone and finally crushed a sith lord who was almost invulnerable due to the sacrifices he had amassed and directly channeled power from. All of these are actions witnessed by countless people who can all personally vouch for what they saw, there ain't no hearsay here, aside from Revans motivations which were explained by a woman who accurately predicted events 4000 years into the future. I don't have any reason to doubt Kreia, she's probably the one person who knew Revan the best.
And then he got killed by a bounty-hunter and three anonymous sith.
Post-trilogy eu is already largely shit, now Lucasarts has started shitting on pre-trilogy eu too, soon there won't be one period in the sw universe that hasn't been painted with the brush of fail by whatever idiots Lucasarts has decided should have next crack at fucking it all up.
As for the fan-wankery, his actions speak for themselves. Revan singlehandedly won a war against a superior opponent, defeated two of the most skilled warriors of his age with ease, fought an army of dark-side generated war-droids and dark jedi/sith alone and finally crushed a sith lord who was almost invulnerable due to the sacrifices he had amassed and directly channeled power from. All of these are actions witnessed by countless people who can all personally vouch for what they saw, there ain't no hearsay here, aside from Revans motivations which were explained by a woman who accurately predicted events 4000 years into the future. I don't have any reason to doubt Kreia, she's probably the one person who knew Revan the best.
And then he got killed by a bounty-hunter and three anonymous sith.
Revan was always the 'Fallen Hero' archetype in KOTOR 1. He was liked and well respected but still the fallen hero turned Sith. It was only in KOTOR 2 (A buggy game not made by Bioware) where we were told, by a Sith Lord that intends to betray you and kill the force, that it was suggested he never actually fell. So we as fans take that and run with it, building Revan into something he was never ment to be.
And the cost was becoming so intune with the Darkside that he sensed the Emperor's presence. Whether he intially left to face him or join him is unknown, though the end result is a matter of record.
If memory serves there is nothing that says he easily wiped out the Mandos. It was brutal and ugly and he had to break their spirits with his final trap. He was a magnificent bastard, but all that wasn't easy.
It's bee awhile since I played the game, but you had the aid of your party memebers through much of that final area and I seem to recall some Jedi fighting aboard the station as well.
That trick made Malik more dangerous, not invulnerable as Revan proved. Emperor Palpatine has come back from the dead at least once, Malik was just able to draw power from the suffering of others.
You should, the best liars know to mix in some truth with what they are saying, and there's no guarantee that because she spoke truth at the end, that she as speaking truth in the beginning.
And the cost was becoming so intune with the Darkside that he sensed the Emperor's presence. Whether he intially left to face him or join him is unknown, though the end result is a matter of record.
If memory serves there is nothing that says he easily wiped out the Mandos. It was brutal and ugly and he had to break their spirits with his final trap. He was a magnificent bastard, but all that wasn't easy.
It's bee awhile since I played the game, but you had the aid of your party memebers through much of that final area and I seem to recall some Jedi fighting aboard the station as well.
That trick made Malik more dangerous, not invulnerable as Revan proved. Emperor Palpatine has come back from the dead at least once, Malik was just able to draw power from the suffering of others.
You should, the best liars know to mix in some truth with what they are saying, and there's no guarantee that because she spoke truth at the end, that she as speaking truth in the beginning.
Or that she deceived herself about Revan, considering that Kreia was a character full of contradictions that made her both dislikeable and sympathetic. I kinda liked that bitter old woman full of odd quirks who also did have some words of wisdom regarding the Force and the Jedi and Sith organizations.
Honestly, it seems kind of suspicious that they would kill off such a popular character so early into the game. I don't doubt that they would have you fight him, but I would think that he would be an end boss, possibly of an expansion. What are the chances that he is a body double, making the Sith think that Revan has been killed so he is free to move about, or some sort of legacy character, pretending to be the original Revan? I wish that they had gone through the various options, instead of attacking him immediately.
It's not that he's disputing the canonness of this. It's canon, for sure. It's the direction canon is taking in regards to Revan's character that's annoying. KotOR 2 added a lot of potentially awesome stuff, and for them to ignore some of the most awesome elements (Revan's character suggestions from Kreia) is disappointing.
Though really, I don't know what direction it's taking. I'm not watching a 60 minute youtube movie for a game that's already dead to me. Can someone give me the cliff notes?
Though really, I don't know what direction it's taking. I'm not watching a 60 minute youtube movie for a game that's already dead to me. Can someone give me the cliff notes?
From what I've read lately on this game, it seems that it's going to eschew auto-attack and have almost everyone be able to do almost everything depending on their setup. I just can't help but feel that it seems very similar to another game that attempted to do the same thing...
Hopefully the higher ups won't decide to rush it out the door then come back 5 months down the road and start patching it up to standard. We all know how well that would go over. If it becomes a blockbuster game, that's great, but I won't have high expectations of any of the new MMOs after seeing how "innovation" can be screwed up in such asinine ways. Yes, that includes GW2.
Hopefully the higher ups won't decide to rush it out the door then come back 5 months down the road and start patching it up to standard. We all know how well that would go over. If it becomes a blockbuster game, that's great, but I won't have high expectations of any of the new MMOs after seeing how "innovation" can be screwed up in such asinine ways. Yes, that includes GW2.
Party fights it's way through a droid factory to eventually find a Jedi master in Revan like robes waiting for them. He explains that he'd waged war to defend the republic and in doing so opened himself up to darkness. The Sith Emperor used that to call to him from across the stars and he eventually fell. The party could've asked some questions at this point but choose to fight instead. Revan shakes his head, puts on his war mask and takes them on.
After his defeat they report in to the fleet master that the Jedi is dead. The fleet master says it's a shame since they learned so much testing themselves against him.
After his defeat they report in to the fleet master that the Jedi is dead. The fleet master says it's a shame since they learned so much testing themselves against him.