Twilight Princess

serapheus

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#1
Just finished Loz: Twilight Princess. Damn does it make me want to write something but the only thing I can think of is how much I want to bitch-slap Midna for breaking the mirror. Can't get past the thought far enough to think of some gaps to exploit for a fic. :headbanger:

God I need ideas and it seems that asking around for some is the only way for me at the moment. :help:
 
#2
*Throws out random idea*
Let's say Minda wasn't as efficient in destroying the mirror as everyone, including herself, thought she was. Link, when he had seen what she was doing had run forward to stop her, though it was to late. He ended up falling to his knees right next to where the mirror used to be. Unseen by Zelda, Link pockets a mirror shard. It's not much, but with a few years study (And calling in some favors from some people he's inadverdantly helped through out his adventures) Link may be able to recreate a gate to the twilight realm.

*Throws out another random idea like one of those crazy pigeon ladies with their bread crumbs*
Though Ordon village will always have a special place in Links heart, He realizes that after having seen but a glimpse of whats out there. The town is much to small to hold him down, and it's far too routine. Not only that, but in all this time when he has been out saving hyrule's collective sorry ass, he never stopped to think about what he wanted out of life. He thought he knew once but now he's not so sure. It's with a heavy heart that he leaves behind Epona, but if had taken her that crazy chick with the horse fetish would have hunted him down(Link may like Ilia, but I'll be damned if that girl isn't a petulant bossy wench with a thing for horses). With nothing but the Ordon sword at his back, Link goes out to find himself in the larger world.

He's just stepping out onto Hyrule feild, about to go wolf when who is it that's running towards him at breakneck speeds shouting out "HEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYY!!!!!", you guessed it, it's everybody's favorite red clad postal worker. And he just happens to have a letter adressed to a Mr. Link. it reads:

"Yo Link,
I'm rounding up an expedtion for a couple of the surrounding mountains around Snowpeake. I figured since you're a well known adventurer, experianced mountainclimber, and the Yetis seem to like you that this would be right up your alley. If you're interested meet me in a week at Telmas.
-Ashei"

A mountain expedition might be fun, and hey if it means that he'll have to snuggle up next to a pretty girl for warmth during those long frigid nights, then no sacrifice is to great in the name of discovery and adventure. Little did anyone ever know , there was a sleeping evil within those mountains, long forgotten over the centuries, deep within a shrine placed to keep both explorors out, and something in.

Possible sleeping evil: Majora's mask, Dark Link, the Deku Shrub Empire, made up evil villain, ect


I hope that helps you some.
 

OniGanon

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#3
I still say Majora's Mask is somehow connected to the Twilight Realm. The patterns on the fused shadows and the fight with Zant seemed a little familiar.
 

serapheus

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#4
cjonbloodletter said:
*Throws out random idea*
~snip~

*Throws out another random idea like one of those crazy pigeon ladies with their bread crumbs*
~snip~

Possible sleeping evil: Majora's mask, Dark Link, the Deku Shrub Empire, made up evil villain, ect


I hope that helps you some.
perhaps a mix of the two. He grabs a mirror shard but for the most part isn't able to find anybody to help him study it. As such he has to do it himself but he isn't the best of scientists so his progress is slow. He returns to Ordon as per storyline. But in his recent frustration caused by his lack of success with the mirror shard he grows to resent the too clam atmosphere of Ohis hometown. Eventually such resent comes to the front and, before he is tempted to go on a massacre, he decides that he really needs to leave. Packing up what little he has left in Ordon and taking the many tools he earned through his travels with him(minus the horse call), though he no longer has the master sword(Zelda insisted on him putting it back), he gets the hell out of Ordon. For the next couple months he wanders through Hyrule, visiting the various places he'd saved and generally trying to find a good place/atmosphere for doing his work on the mirror shard. One day he's wandering out of Kakariko when he hears the tell-tale scream of the mail guy. It would along with your idea after that...for a bit anyways.

One thing I'd likely do is use either the old-school dark link or a new version as the new evil. Hmm...though the odd thing is that I've never been able to see dark link as male...just attribute it to taking the "opposite in every way" too literally. Though Dark link wouldn't be the only evil one about, though she would be the one that Link focuses on for the most part.

@OniGanon: I know and agree. There are more than a few things about the twilight realm that reminded me about Majora's Mask.
 

serapheus

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#5
hmm...I have a couple small plotlines made but I'm debating over whether to start with Link secreting away a mirror shard then doing a timeskip and telling about the past through various flashbacks, To do the whole thing, albeit not very thoroughly, and risk losing my muse to boredom or tediousness, or to just start at Link heading into Hyrule town after receiving Ashei's letter


gonna need to think about this...or ask people with experience...


in short :help: ...again :sweat2:
 
#6
I think, this is just my personal opinion, that you should just start off with Link on the way to Hyrule town, and have him tell the past events via flash backs(including the acquiring of the mirror shard). Beginning the story with the hero kicking off his adventure should grab your reader's attention so that, when the flashbacks come, the readers are actually going want to read the backstory.
hope that helps some
 

The Eromancer

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#7
But best not to make the ENTIRE story flashback, either a relatively moderate amount of SMALL ones or just a few moderately large ones, no more, less is good, but definitely no more.

A FEMALE Dark Link is a twist I've personally never seen done... haven't even thought about it either, in fact. BUT you do have to remember that it is Link's dark REFLECTION not just his dark half, so its definitely male. Still wouldn't mind reading it though, the possibilities.....

:blink: ...Anyways.

Personally, I just think this Link, the one from Twilight Princess has WAY more personality than the rest. I also believe that in the "Time Fracture Theory".

That the Twilight Princess SToryline is in fact what could have happened if Link from Ocarina of Time had stayed in the "present" instead of being sent back.

I could be wrong of course, after all TP-Link is a Rancher and the only way that would have happened is if somewhere along the way OoT-Link had "saddled up" with Malon. (I know, bad pun) Also the only way he could of had "Epona" while not the SAME horse, definitely the same breed and really could only have been that horse's offspring.
 

Deathwings

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#8
Well, if we go by the idea that TP is some sort of AU then here is an idea :

The very first is OoT, we all know that, then MM (as it had been officially aproved by Nintendo) where the first Link (now named Link1) got sucked in a sort of parallele dimension of Hyrule nammed Termina.

Now come the possible deverting point, namely, Ganondorf second attempt at getting Hyrule, preferably only a short while after Link1 disipearence in an alternate reality from wich he can't get out of.

First possibility : Ganondorf suceed, the King of Hyrule pray the godness to help him and they respond by submerging the land under a cursed sea, the premise for TWW.

Second possibility : Ganondorf failed, somehow, even without Link1 help, the Sage manage to subdue Ganondorf in the former bastion of his tribe, the Gerudo.
Here, one of the Sage try to kill him but failed, get killed himself in the process and forced his fellow Sage to banish Ganondorf in the Shadow realm, thus leading some hundred of years later to TP...

So, what do you think of that theory ?
 

Darmani

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#9
At Twilight the realm actually is closer to Hyrule. So close that the clever can make a connection, the powerful can go or snatch them up, and the bold can find a way. That is what Courage is, the ability to find a way to stand up through it all and give hope, faith, and life meaning.

But even if Link finds a passage through the Twilight Realm things won't be easy going there or getting back.

The sleeping evil in the mountains could be a lost tribe of devil tamers. Where the devils are strange monster blends that they control with staves, horns, bells, tattoos or sacrificed flesh. And wouldn't you know it. In they're best pen they have the moster that shouldn't be unleashed. Because it claims its tamer. The boar demigod byblow of ganondorf. Su-sungul.
 

Jim Starluck

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#10
Hi, new guy here. Sorry to bump (though it's kinda hard to avoid that when the first page stretches clear back to April), but I have this one epic Zelda fic idea that I've yet to do something with, and I figured I'd throw it out here to see what people thought.

It follows the premise that the timeline "splits" at the end of Ocarina of Time. One half of the timeline continues forward from the moment Zelda sends Link back in time via the Ocarina. Hyrule has still been ravaged by seven years of Ganondorf's reign and Zelda has to start putting it all back together. Some centuries down the road, Ganon breaks free of the seal placed upon him by the Sages and runs amok again. This results in the events that precede Wind Waker: the people appeal to the gods, the flood, etc.

The other half of the timeline starts the moment young Link arrives back in the Temple of Time at the end. We see him, during the final scene, run back up to little Zelda in the courtyard of the castle. That means that he was returned to a point in time before Ganon made his bid for the Triforce, before Zelda and Impa were forced to flee, before Link went about collecting Spiritual Stones to open the Door of Time. I'm not exactly certain of how it works, but Ganon once again goes for the Triforce... except this time he's captured, which leads to the "sentencing" we see in flashback in Twilight Princess. He's sent into the Twilight Realm and centuries pass.

Now, at the end of TP, Ganondorf dies. We see the Triforce of Power vanish from his hand. In previous times, the Triforce of Power would have sought out another chosen by destiny to be its vessel... but instead it is drawn like a moth to a flame, wandering for a year across the boundaries between worlds...

...until it finds Wind Waker Ganondorf, imprisoned in stone at the bottom of the sea. He's still the embodiment of Power, so it is drawn into him automatically. He suddenly has vastly more power than before and almost instantly breaks free from his imprisonment, triggering an earthquake that ravages the islands of the Great Sea.

Meanwhile, back <s>on the wranch</s> in the TPverse, strange things start happening. Parts of the kingdom seem to be vanishing, replaced by voids not entirely dissimilar to but at the same time distinctly different from the Twilight Realm. Basically, without the Triforce of Power, something is blatantly out of balance in the world and it's coming apart at the seams.

Each Link and Zelda from each world, WW and TP, wind up having to find a sacred artifact in order to solve their respective problems... except their respective artifacts aren't in Hyrule at all, they're in the Sacred Realm. And the only way to the Sacred Realm is through the Temple of Time (the actual dungeon as seen in TP, though I like to think of it as the Temple of Light that was mentioned in OoT). TP Link and Zelda just go back there, but WW Link and Zelda have to find the darn place first. The only things left of the Temple of Time when they find it are the Master Sword's pedestal and the Door of Time. They enter the Temple just like TP L&Z do.



...and now I think I might've gone into too much detail, but I dunno. I'm not sure if I'm ever actually going to get around to writing this; it's been years since I wrote anything on this kind of scale.
 

Waruiko

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#11
You had something to add so I won't flame you bumping the topic, but I feel the need to point out something about the split time line theory that no one seems to mention.

It's impossible!!!

Why? The simple answer is that if they truly split then then one of the triforce no longer exists in the world that has Ganon sealed. This is because it is fused with Link the same way the triforce of power is fused with Ganon. Now that wouldn't matter if not for the fact that In LOZ:ALTTP You are re-sealing Ganon using the descendants of the sages that did it before. If Link went back and the future disappeared then the sages form OOT wouldn't exist.

I say that OOT has a time loop. While Link is off doing MM nothing much changes despite being sent back and Ganon takes over anyway. Link eventually comes back after OOT ends and events proceed up to LOZ:TP. After TP Ganon dies and after a long time ALTTP starts.

Why place these three as I did? I have several reason and the first is that in TP Ganon dies and in ALTTP he is revived. The second reason is that the master sword is in what was once the temple of time in TP and the the alter is in the same wooded area in ALTTP. Enough time also has to pass that the written language needs to change completely because you need a book to translate the writing on the stone to figure out how to get the sword out of it's stand.
 

Steel

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#13
The games developers themselves have said there was a time split.
 

Cosgrove

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#15
Waruiko said:
You had something to add so I won't flame you bumping the topic, but I feel the need to point out something about the split time line theory that no one seems to mention.á

It's impossible!!!

Why?á The simple answer is that if they truly split then then one of the triforce no longer exists in the world that has Ganon sealed.á This is because it is fused with Link the same way the triforce of power is fused with Ganon.á Now that wouldn't matter if not for the fact that In LOZ:ALTTP You are re-sealing Ganon using the descendants of the sages that did it before.á If Link went back and the future disappeared then the sages form OOT wouldn't exist.

I say that OOT has a time loop.á While Link is off doing MM nothing much changes despite being sent back and Ganon takes over anyway.á Link eventually comes back after OOT ends and events proceed up to LOZ:TP.á After TP Ganon dies and after a long time ALTTP starts.

Why place these three as I did?á I have several reason and the first is that in TP Ganon dies and in ALTTP he is revived.á The second reason is that the master sword is in what was once the temple of time in TP and the the alter is in the same wooded area in ALTTP.á Enough time also has to pass that the written language needs to change completely because you need a book to translate the writing on the stone to figure out how to get the sword out of it's stand.
I'm sorry, but your explanations of aLttP is wrong.

The first is that Ganon was alive and well in aLttP, only just sealed into the sacred realm (which became the dark world) with the complete Triforce. You kill him at the end and recieve the complete Triforce, which Link uses to right the wrongs that happened because of Ganon's scheme. He uses the decendants to weaken the seal binding him to the Dark World, so that he can invade the normal world.

also, it was said in Wind Waker, that when Link when back to the past, the Triforce separated from him and was hidden in fragments. Making the Adult Link/Young Link timeline split possible. After all, Ganondorf was sealed away with the Triforce piece of power in the Adult timeline.

Also, while the sword's resting position is similar to that of aLttP in TP, it is far different. The first reason being that the master sword had its own elaborate platform with the requirement of having the three pendants, which was not at all present in TP. The second is in TP, the master sword is in an area filled with ruins, in aLttP its a plain forest (though covered in fog until the Master Sword is removed).
 

Jim Starluck

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#16
Cosgrove said:
Also, while the sword's resting position is similar to that of aLttP in TP, it is far different. The first reason being that the master sword had its own elaborate platform with the requirement of having the three pendants, which was not at all present in TP. The second is in TP, the master sword is in an area filled with ruins, in aLttP its a plain forest (though covered in fog until the Master Sword is removed).
The way I figure it, the ruins we see in TP are what's left of the Temple of Time from OoT. Nothing wrong with this, except it's not in Castle Town anymore. The answer there?

It moved.

Remember those big blue stone blocks in OoT that teleported or vanished when you played the Song of Time? Perhaps the Temple itself could do that too. It's clearly not just a mundane structure of stone, given how you get into it in TP, so I don't think that adding this capability is too much of a stretch.

At any rate, I've not played ALttP, but it certainly sounds like it could come after TP... except that Ganon dies at the end of that, or at least certainly looks like he has. This leaves us two possibilities timeline-wise: either TP is the very last game in the timeline, or it's the very last in its own particular branch.

It's pretty obvious that OoT is the very first of the games that involve Ganon & the Triforce, because it's where he first acquires it. Prior to that, he was just the King of the Gerudo. Since he dies in TP, that puts it after OoT and, if we accept a single timeline, after everything else as well. Which is a bit of a puzzle, given Wind Waker.

Long story short, we have three ways of resolving the Dead Ganon Problem:
A: Twilight Princess is at the very end of the Triforce timeline.
B: Twilight Princess is at the very end of its own timeline, seperate from others.
C: Ganon didn't really die at the end.

Given that the developers have stated there was a split, the middle option seems most likely to me.
 

ttestagr

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#17
Don't forget that Ganon was also perma-killed during the very first Zelda game.


As for the developers, they have also said that there is also one single overarching timeline.
 

Cosgrove

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#18
I personally don't care too much about timelines, but I do know one thing from in game text: Be it one timeline or a branching path, aLttP has to be at the end of the timeline it's in. The reason is the line at the end of aLttP:

And the Master Sword sleeps again...FOREVER!
I don't really care of how the timeline works out really, but that line states that the master sword is never used again after aLttP, making it the last of it's timeline. So if there's one, aLttP is last, but with the multiple times Ganon has 'died', it seems to me that there are multiple timelines.

And as for Zelda 1, wasn't Zelda 2: Adventure of Link a sequel to it? If so, AoL brings up a possible revival for Ganon after Zelda 1, but only for Zelda 1.

And while I do realize that in TP the master sword rests in the ruins of the old Hyrule Castle Town, but it just sits there in the old OoT pedestal. In aLttP, though, there is a very elaborate pedistal that requires the presence of the three pendants.
 
#19
I'm still half of the opinion that the Goddesses are fucking with them. If that's true, all arguments about timelines are moot because they can pretty much screw around with things however they want, bringing Ganny back just like they do Link and Zelda time and time again, Triforce and all.

It could be their way of balancing the Good and Evil, seeing as the people of Hyrule are generally good and helpful folks, not as prone to greed or malice as most races of human. The Hylians are so 'white' that without Ganondorf and his minions' 'black', the world might just collapse upon itself.

Or they may just be sadistic bitches, who knows?

In any case, if they are indeed manipulating events so, then all nitpicking is moot because they can bring back Ganny as many times as they want.

EDIT: Fscking godmoders, amirite?

Even excluding their involvement, Ganny 'dying' with the Triforce of Power doesn't mean he loses it. As we know, since Link and Zelda are still carrying their pieces through multiple reincarnations. All Ganny loses with death is his vast experience and knowledge, and considering how often he was sealed, that's probably not much more than what he had in the first place.
 

ttestagr

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#20
Cosgrove said:
I personally don't care too much about timelines, but I do know one thing from in game text: Be it one timeline or a branching path, aLttP has to be at the end of the timeline it's in. The reason is the line at the end of aLttP:

And the Master Sword sleeps again...FOREVER!
I don't really care of how the timeline works out really, but that line states that the master sword is never used again after aLttP, making it the last of it's timeline. So if there's one, aLttP is last, but with the multiple times Ganon has 'died', it seems to me that there are multiple timelines.

And as for Zelda 1, wasn't Zelda 2: Adventure of Link a sequel to it? If so, AoL brings up a possible revival for Ganon after Zelda 1, but only for Zelda 1.

And while I do realize that in TP the master sword rests in the ruins of the old Hyrule Castle Town, but it just sits there in the old OoT pedestal. In aLttP, though, there is a very elaborate pedistal that requires the presence of the three pendants.
Actually, the original two games would still take place after ALthP. The Master Sword wasn't even mentioned in either of them IIRC. In the original you had the wooden sword, the white sword, and the magic sword. In the second, you keep the same blade throughout I believe.
 

toraneko

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#21
Waruiko said:
Why? The simple answer is that if they truly split then then one of the triforce no longer exists in the world that has Ganon sealed. This is because it is fused with Link the same way the triforce of power is fused with Ganon. Now that wouldn't matter if not for the fact that In LOZ:ALTTP You are re-sealing Ganon using the descendants of the sages that did it before. If Link went back and the future disappeared then the sages form OOT wouldn't exist.
That's where the "timeline split" element comes into play. Both timelines hinge on whether Zelda sent Link back in time or not.

Adult Link Path: In this one, Zelda didn't send Link back and he continued life as an adult. The sages did their thing, Ganon is sealed (he can't be killed at all at this point in time) in the Sacred Realm, which became the Dark World due to his evil influence. This timeline continues into A Link to the Past, which was a prequel to the original Legend of Zelda and Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link. Ganon officially dies after the original LoZ.

Young Link Path: Here, Zelda sent Link back to before the Door of Time was opened. Ganondorf's plot failed, and he didn't get the Triforce (yet). Majora's Mask is placed after this point. Ganondorf somehow managed to get ahold of the Triforce of Power some alternate way (see the "Twili Link" thread for my wild-assed theories about that), he was sealed in the Twilight Mirror (again, he can't be killed at this point). About a century passes, and the events of Twilight Princess occur. END OF TIMELINE, as Ganon is dead.

I never played Wind Waker, so I have no real idea how it's placed, continuity-wise.
 

Jim Starluck

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#22
Wind Waker is the monkey wrench in that plan. It too follows Ocarina of Time, because its backstory explicitly mentions the Hero of Time as the one who sealed Ganon away in the distant past. But some time later, Ganon busts out again and starts laying waste to Hyrule... except this time there's no hero. Despairing, the people appeal to the gods, who respond with a torrential rain that floods Hyrule. The people take refuge on the mountaintops, which become islands, and Hyrule is left frozen in time at the bottom of the ocean (not actually underwater, there's some kind of funkyness going on down there).

At the end of the game, Ganon winds up frozen in stone with the Master Sword embedded halfway up the blade into his forehead. Hyrule is finally washed away so that the people of the Great Sea may have a future, rather than always dwelling on the past.

At numerous points the game references the Hero of Time by name, and in the chamber where you get the Master Sword there are stained-glass windows which depict the six sages of OoT. So it clearly comes after that.

If Ganon does in fact die at the end of the original LoZ (I wouldn't know, never played it), then this would suggest that there are three branches to the timeline, and I just don't see how that works if we're still using the same cause (Zelda sending Link back in time at the end of OoT).
 

toraneko

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#23
Additional timesplit after the Adult Link path begins.

Really, once you do it once, it's no longer a question of possibility, but one of taste.
 

Antimatter

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#24
I really want to see some nice Midna/Link fics, but unless you have her not break the mirror, you'd have to create some means of the two reuniting. Perhaps since it took an act of love to shatter the mirror, it takes some simular act to make a new doorway?

Another idea is that by going though their joint ordeal, the two are linked mentally some how. At first they excuse it as just hopeful dreams and their lovesick hearts wondering, till they realize that, in fact, they aren't dreaming of each other, but rather are directly communicating while asleep. Though this act of co-dreaming, they could slowly try to figure out a way or means of reuniting in person.

I dunno.
 

Lord Raine

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#25
toraneko said:
Really, once you do it once, it's no longer a question of possibility, but one of taste.
I was going to add something, but I really don't have the time right now to pen an epic post.

I will, however, tell you that this single line conjured up such unrivaled images of mischief and general debauchery that it needs to be immortalized, if only because my mind is dirty and twisted enough to see exactly how many situations to which this could act as a reply.

Sigged.

I really want to see some nice Midna/Link fics
Indeed. It's a travesty, really.
 
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