Nasuverse Unlimited Gabriel Blessing Works

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shiki

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Rising Dragon said:
You people really don't like this story, do you?
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That isn't true. Most of us on this forum that didn't like the story early on stopped talking about it years ago. There are some lolz comments every so often, similar to what I did. Sometimes there is worthwhile discussion of why certain things didn't make sense or why certain characterizations don't work in terms of which continuity was chosen but there is very little vitriol from us.

What you are seeing now is mostly people that liked it but slowly grew to dislike it over time. If you think this is bad, you should have seen us back when HoS was going... whew, with how we hated on that fic...
 
daniel_gudman

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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I think the problem is, the way he talked about Rin and Saber, what I was expecting was the reunion with the people he actually loved; because all along, whenever the Sekirei came up, he talked about their feelings, or how he dealt with them; but if it was those two, he talked about his feelings, how he felt about them.

What Gabe has done, is hold the "Sekirei Magic Wing Bond" in one hand and "Shirou doesn't do things for himself" in the other, and smacked 'em together; but the result wasn't new and interesting, it was just... sad. And not sad like melancholy or cathartic, but rather, they smooshed together and cracked like dry playdough, and it was pathetic.

This chapter reminds me of Heaven Feel True.

It's not as well written, but that feeling that everyone around Shirou is congratulating him on living for his own sake, when the way they did it was push him into throwing away the dream and ambition that he held, that he relied on as support when he was in bad places in his life. It's like, "how can he really be fixing his lack of ego, if what happened is he let people talk him into abandoning the one thing he cared about most?"

This is a story about Shirou betraying himself. And nobody around him even realizes it.
 
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shiki

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Which brings us back to the discussion about how this should/could not have come from the UBW Good end.
 
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Emerald Oracle

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See, My issue with it is that Saber/Rin don't/didn't realize that the reason that Shirou is 'better' isn't because he's honestly improved or whatever, its because he's literally being Brain-jacked or enhanced or whatever by the Sekirei. It's not that his relationship with the Sekirei is just more healthy for him, it's that he's literally not the same mentally as a result of winging them, due to magical shenanigans. Which raises some interesting questions about what ELSE the bond is doing to him.

It's demonstrably altering his responses and priorities, albeit in lines that so far don't seem overly harmful, but will it remains so? and what ELSE is it going to do?
 
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shioran toushin

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and it still was dissapointing, tough i think that most of the "horror" was at how horribly the characterizations were mangled in these two chapters, way beyond that the GilMIYA Shirou from HoZ and even worse that EMIYA Shrigitsu of the previous Chapters of IF.

but dunno, On four Legs, Door of Air and the Ranma fic Dancing were pretty good, IMHO.
 
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MTing

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Who else wants to bet that the epilogue will have someone pregnant...again? (cough*Rin*cough)

Kinda saw it coming when the fight ended without Rin getting physically hurt.

While I still "like" this story, I'm not sure if I like it because I've been following it for so long or because it's the best fic to be found within its category.
 
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burnerx7

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shioran toushin said:
and it still was dissapointing, tough i think that most of the "horror" was at how horribly the characterizations were mangled in these two chapters, way beyond that the GilMIYA Shirou from HoZ and even worse that EMIYA Shrigitsu of the previous Chapters of IF.

but dunno, On four Legs, Door of Air and the Ranma fic Dancing were pretty good, IMHO.
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They are very good specially On four Legs, GB is a good writer but he bite too much with In Flight.

Sekirei is not a serious story, trying to make it was a good try for like 21 chapters, but it needed too much info dump, too much wangst and too much character derailment from Shirou (or what GB thinks Shirou should be) Rin and Saber.

So right now just waiting for the next crossover. I'm skiping this one
 
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Amberion

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"Shirou doesn't do things for himself"
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This is something I have never understood in various stories. To me, he is a very selfish person.

His saving people thing is like a drug for him. People around him gets hurt, but he pretty much only cares for the feeling he gets after saving someone.
 
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Emerald Oracle

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Amberion said:
"Shirou doesn't do things for himself"
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This is something I have never understood in various stories. To me, he is a very selfish person.

His saving people thing is like a drug for him. People around him gets hurt, but he pretty much only cares for the feeling he gets after saving someone.
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You know, the way you phrased this I've never heard before and now it's making me wonder if Shirou is actually Reverse-Kirei. Only able to find any joy or positive feeling through doing Good things to other people as opposed to doing Bad thing to other people. If so then... well that's pretty screwed up right there.
 
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l3fty

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If I take a look at his constant repeats of some things, he presents magi as selfish human monsters, and Shirou as someone who thinks of himself as lesser than that, add more that he has severe lack of self worth, not to mention the jarring part where he apparently never made love just for the act of love, loosing yourself into mad frenzy on a chick you like is not an emotionally driven act at all.

Not to mention the whole thing where Shirou just gives up on his first girlfriends instead of just telling the Tower to fuck off and cruise around in a spaceship with his full harem like a boss, oh wait, spaceship isn't in the story because unfinished Sekirei manga when he started writing this fusion.
 
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kaiseryuu

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GB Shirou never made love for the sake of love? Uh, w0t?

In UBW, the jackhammer is particularly powerful because Shirou can't hold himself back in the act. Like, at all.

+1 to the list of things GB fuck'd up.
 
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Karnath

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Not Nasu but still interesting http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9291746/1/Monsters-of-the-Wilds
 
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zeebee1

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I don't care about that guy, nor am I willing to deal with an Alice who isn't Alice.
 
EagleCeres

EagleCeres

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Karnath said:
Not Nasu but still interesting http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9291746/1/Monsters-of-the-Wilds
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zeebee1 said:
I don't care about that guy, nor am I willing to deal with an Alice who isn't Alice.
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Probably the only reason I'm wary of this story.

Jae Gu as an alternative to Luka seems plausible, but then I start remembering GB's version(s) of Shirou...
so yeah, I'm gonna chalk up the fic to Everyday Monster Girls instead of MGQ and say Alice and her Knights are High School Harem Expies of their respective MGQ selves.
 
bluepencil

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
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Girls of the Wilds
Monster Girl Quest
Gabriel Blessing

(read)

OHCOMEON. Whyyy would you do this to them? I've read up to Chapter Three already, and this crossover just does not work. At least, not like this. It's like Jae Gu 'Luka' needs to be buffed up beforehand just so the new girls can look all petty and out-of-sorts scrambling for his attention. It's like GB can't show manliness except being indifferent to the approach of women.

Ironically, to me that just sounds like a neckbeard trying to look unconcerned at being unpopular.

With the expy cast of MGQ behind him, I can already see the pattern... exactly the same as with every single one of GB's works. Main character attracts the strong female leads of the present. Discards them for someone he met before. (Technically IF is the opposite, discarding all previous attachments for the present ones, but still feels forced).

I've read Girls of the Wilds. This has already murdered Jae Gu's character. What about the interesting character growth filling up most of the early parts of the manhwa? What is Jae Gu without his crippling inferiority complex? Without the bullying? Without the dogged nice guy personality that honestly appreciates the girls around him?

Instead we just get this boring aloof protagonist mk4.

For fuck's sake... Jae Gu with the cast of MGQ in the high school would work. Or, MGQ's Luka's pacifist nature in Girls of the Wilds, diplomancing the fuck out of everything.

This? Too many elements, too many characters, jammed together in a box that isn't quite straight.
 
EagleCeres

EagleCeres

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bluepencil said:
Jae Gu with the cast of MGQ in the high school would work.
Or, MGQ's Luka's pacifist nature in Girls of the Wilds, diplomancing the fuck out of everything.
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Canon!Jae Gu and the Wilds Academy full of MGQ monster ladies... would take a bit of reorganizing and playing about with what species fit the character(s), but still doable.

Quick and dirty example:
- Alice!Queen would act more TSUNdere, than KUUdere... and then her DERE side would be diabetes inducing.
- Tamamo!DalDal vs Alma!DalDal... although both are just that teasing/playful.
- Granberia!Moon Young would be the closest fit if you cross-fuse them.
 
EagleCeres

EagleCeres

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Lord of Bones said:
Just read chapter 6 of that crossover.

bluepencil hit the nail on the head.
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If you haven't read it yet... don't bother wasting your time.

Better yet... go download the Monster Girl Highschool game and enjoy fapping to that, at least the wanking there is worthwhile.

wait... you actually want to read my rant??? ok... don't say I didn't warn you

"Merciless Angel" Luka!Jae Gu = the king of Hellgondo Highschool... wate wat?

Alice is his BITCH Queen (and not in the submissive way)... again wat?

The Knights are his harem... this goes past wish fulfillment and straight into "herpderp, here! have some NONSENSICAL fap material".

The MGQ expies are stupidly OP, why even bother with In Gyi (Queen) and the rest of the Wilds' girls... seriously, why even shit on them like that?
 
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FinalMax

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The problem with the story is that the implied backstory would have likely been better. What would have made Jae Gu run into Hellgondo and fight? How did everything actually go down? And how the hell did his little siblings get a leash on those girls? Other than canonically being diabetes on legs. If done right, that would have been actually entertaining.

What we have is an "after everything happens, what do?" kind of story. That's where we are disappointed. We're being told the dynamic between the cast instead of being shown it. Now it's not to say there aren't some things that can work well here. The bit with Jae Gu and In Gyi talking about what the proudest moment of his life would be, for example, was something I could believe was from the canon version. Moon Young being the most reasonable one of the Wilds girls was also nice, as there are hints of that dynamic in the source material.
 
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shinzero01

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FinalMax said:
The problem with the story is that the implied backstory would have likely been better. What would have made Jae Gu run into Hellgondo and fight? How did everything actually go down? And how the hell did his little siblings get a leash on those girls? Other than canonically being diabetes on legs. If done right, that would have been actually entertaining.

What we have is an "after everything happens, what do?" kind of story. That's where we are disappointed. We're being told the dynamic between the cast instead of being shown it. Now it's not to say there aren't some things that can work well here. The bit with Jae Gu and In Gyi talking about what the proudest moment of his life would be, for example, was something I could believe was from the canon version. Moon Young being the most reasonable one of the Wilds girls was also nice, as there are hints of that dynamic in the source material.
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In Flight updated.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6556187/42/In-Flight

Yeah... after reading all the spinoffs this fic has caused, the original is the one I'm tired of. Mainly because of Blessing's characterization of Shirou as someone who automatically makes things worse. The revelations in this chapter just fell flat to me and when combined with the last three or so chapters I've just decided to stop reading it.
 
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Rising Dragon

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Or maybe the ones who like the story don't want to put up with the inevitable argument that'd crop up if they do post about it.
 
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