Depends on how seriously they take him, how long it takes it to find out how serious he is, and what the political situation in the various groups is like for that day. Political infighting is pretty much a major problem for most of the factions, and that's when they're not causing trouble one another.
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At least one mage has the magical equivalent of Wireless Internet Connection that doubles as Mind Reader. Basically, a combination of Yue and Nodoka's Artifacts from Negima.
She also uses a gun.
In other words, it's not so much magic versus technology as it is thaumaturgy + magitech versus technology.
A Magical Organization attacking a city being a declaration of war depends on a lot of things, such as;
1. Does the Magical Organization own the city? Cause they sometimes do.
2. Is the Magical Organization an outside organization or does its members actually live and function in the city? Because that's more akin to Civil War or an insurrection.
3. Is the Magical Organization supported by the Government? Cause they sometimes are.
4. Is the Magical Organization capable of pulling off a city-wide massacre and then sweeping it under the rug? Cause they sometimes are. (Gas explosions, lol)
5. Does the Magical Organization use or hire modern military power? Cause even the oldest families know how to call for more dakka.
Given that it's in Japan, the most likely effect is that the territory is already claimed by a Far Eastern Magical Organization, and most of the political fighting will be between the the Clocktower and that organization, with any actual combat being "off the record", as it were.
For example, one can have the fights being streamed online in real time. That should expose Magic, right?
But then the Magic Association floods the media about a new movie, the Japanese Government releases a statement about levying fines for improper procedures, the organized criminals in the area (usually under the Demon Clans'/Psychic Clans' control) start going after every media outlet to shut it up, and the Church condemns the new movie as "heresy" the same way they did to Dan Brown's films.
By the time the bureaucracy is through, most people would just think it's a hoax, a publicity stunt, or a movie.
She also uses a gun.
In other words, it's not so much magic versus technology as it is thaumaturgy + magitech versus technology.
A Magical Organization attacking a city being a declaration of war depends on a lot of things, such as;
1. Does the Magical Organization own the city? Cause they sometimes do.
2. Is the Magical Organization an outside organization or does its members actually live and function in the city? Because that's more akin to Civil War or an insurrection.
3. Is the Magical Organization supported by the Government? Cause they sometimes are.
4. Is the Magical Organization capable of pulling off a city-wide massacre and then sweeping it under the rug? Cause they sometimes are. (Gas explosions, lol)
5. Does the Magical Organization use or hire modern military power? Cause even the oldest families know how to call for more dakka.
Given that it's in Japan, the most likely effect is that the territory is already claimed by a Far Eastern Magical Organization, and most of the political fighting will be between the the Clocktower and that organization, with any actual combat being "off the record", as it were.
For example, one can have the fights being streamed online in real time. That should expose Magic, right?
But then the Magic Association floods the media about a new movie, the Japanese Government releases a statement about levying fines for improper procedures, the organized criminals in the area (usually under the Demon Clans'/Psychic Clans' control) start going after every media outlet to shut it up, and the Church condemns the new movie as "heresy" the same way they did to Dan Brown's films.
By the time the bureaucracy is through, most people would just think it's a hoax, a publicity stunt, or a movie.
shiki said:
Amodelsino said:
His body is made of swords.
But seriously, according to Nasu in Complete Material 3, Archer blocked it.
I know it doesn't make any sense.
Do you ever actually read a thread before you post? This has got to be the third time I've seen you say something again after it's been refuted.
Only a Noble Phantasm's owner can use a Noble Phantasm. Shirou gets around this because he automatically becomes the owner of what he creates. Thus only Shirou can use the Noble Phantasms he creates.
In Miya's hands, Excalibur is just a well made sword.
But seriously, according to Nasu in Complete Material 3, Archer blocked it.
I know it doesn't make any sense.
nick012000 said:
That's what the hax alien (demi?)-goddess who cuts battleships in half is for. 
Only a Noble Phantasm's owner can use a Noble Phantasm. Shirou gets around this because he automatically becomes the owner of what he creates. Thus only Shirou can use the Noble Phantasms he creates.
In Miya's hands, Excalibur is just a well made sword.
And if I remember correctly, an A-rank attack is the equivalent to the power of a C rank noble phantasm (generally, I think I read this before the wiki went down in 2009?).
So the sword would still be beastly if handed to someone else, it just wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as the real one that Saber uses.
Edit: I am confused at what you guys consider "use". Do you mean activating the NP or just plain swinging it around.
If you mean activating it, then yeah. Saber is probably the only one that can use it without fucking themselves up.
If you are talking about just swinging it about, that is a different story.
rdde said:
shiki said:
Amodelsino said:
His body is made of swords.
But seriously, according to Nasu in Complete Material 3, Archer blocked it.
I know it doesn't make any sense.
Do you ever actually read a thread before you post? This has got to be the third time I've seen you say something again after it's been refuted.
Only a Noble Phantasm's owner can use a Noble Phantasm. Shirou gets around this because he automatically becomes the owner of what he creates. Thus only Shirou can use the Noble Phantasms he creates.
In Miya's hands, Excalibur is just a well made sword.
But seriously, according to Nasu in Complete Material 3, Archer blocked it.
I know it doesn't make any sense.
nick012000 said:
That's what the hax alien (demi?)-goddess who cuts battleships in half is for.
Only a Noble Phantasm's owner can use a Noble Phantasm. Shirou gets around this because he automatically becomes the owner of what he creates. Thus only Shirou can use the Noble Phantasms he creates.
In Miya's hands, Excalibur is just a well made sword.
And if I remember correctly, an A-rank attack is the equivalent to the power of a C rank noble phantasm (generally, I think I read this before the wiki went down in 2009?).
So the sword would still be beastly if handed to someone else, it just wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as the real one that Saber uses.
Edit: I am confused at what you guys consider "use". Do you mean activating the NP or just plain swinging it around.
If you mean activating it, then yeah. Saber is probably the only one that can use it without fucking themselves up.
If you are talking about just swinging it about, that is a different story.
Shin Tokyo is NEW, recently built city that was created entirely on Minaka's order specifically to serve as the stage of his Sekirei Plan. It is Minaka's, nobody else. So 1, 2 and 4 would be hard to pull off to say the least.
Likewise, the Clock Tower and the Japanese government aren't all that chummy, what with each party being incredibly xenophobic, negating 3.
It is a pretty safe bet to say that Shirou is the only Magus currently in that city. In fact, an argument could be made that he is THE Magus of Shin Tokyo, like Rin was THE Magus of Fuyutsuki city, since it's his family's city. :lol:
Likewise, the Clock Tower and the Japanese government aren't all that chummy, what with each party being incredibly xenophobic, negating 3.
It is a pretty safe bet to say that Shirou is the only Magus currently in that city. In fact, an argument could be made that he is THE Magus of Shin Tokyo, like Rin was THE Magus of Fuyutsuki city, since it's his family's city. :lol:
Sorry about the double post, but I just though of something.
Shirou is "failure of a magus" for two reason.
The first one is that his circuits are horribly damaged, limiting his energy output in a crippling way. Otherwise he either average or above average with his supply of od of 30 (the average magus has 25) and his 27 magic circuits (average is 20).
The second reason is that both his Origin and his Affinity are "Swords". He completely lack the Affinity for anything else, which make learning other magecraft (mostly elemental manipulation) 3 times harder and 3 times more costly in energy.
Aside from that, all Shirou lack in order to be an at least AVERAGE magus is knowledge. Which he's been working on since he became Rin's apprentice !
Now, the thing I just though about : each Sekirei's power is the expression of a specific Affinity that can actually be found in classical Magecraft, be it purely elemental like Homura's fire or a more conceptual one, like Matsu's manipulation of data.
So, what if Winging actually allowed Shirou to share these affinity with his Sekirei, therefore expanding his own ?
Shirou is "failure of a magus" for two reason.
The first one is that his circuits are horribly damaged, limiting his energy output in a crippling way. Otherwise he either average or above average with his supply of od of 30 (the average magus has 25) and his 27 magic circuits (average is 20).
The second reason is that both his Origin and his Affinity are "Swords". He completely lack the Affinity for anything else, which make learning other magecraft (mostly elemental manipulation) 3 times harder and 3 times more costly in energy.
Aside from that, all Shirou lack in order to be an at least AVERAGE magus is knowledge. Which he's been working on since he became Rin's apprentice !
Now, the thing I just though about : each Sekirei's power is the expression of a specific Affinity that can actually be found in classical Magecraft, be it purely elemental like Homura's fire or a more conceptual one, like Matsu's manipulation of data.
So, what if Winging actually allowed Shirou to share these affinity with his Sekirei, therefore expanding his own ?
If you're responding to me, then mind that I was responding to someone who did not specify the Clocktower as the magical organization attacking a city. BTW, the city was also not specified as the one the Sekirei are in.
Also, difficult =/= impossible. In fact that's the basis of every story; if we automatically assumed Shirou would lose every time he tried something difficult, there would be no story, da?
Basically, Minaka enjoys the "hometeam advantage" . Had this been a neutral city or Clocktower territory, things would be different. Even then, just because you're the official mage of a city doesn't prevent other mages from taking over. Or the Church from trying to take over. Or the DAA. Or well, anyone who responds to a world-threatening problem.
There's also the meta-concepts to consider. Shirou versus the Clocktower would obviously go to Shirou eventually, or the story would shut down quickly. Likewise, Shirou versus Minaka for the same reasons.
But Clocktower versus Minaka? Villain against villain? Chessmasters with worldwide resources versus chessmaster with homeground advantage? It's anyone's game at that point.
And it's not like Minaka controls all the Sekirei anyway. If GB plays this right, Shirou's group might end up having to help one side against the other. Or even fighting both at the same time in a three-way war.
Let us see what you are capable of, Gabriel. Let's see how far you've come, the extent of your imagination, the barriers you'll break and the traditions you'll destroy.
Or in other words, I want a 40k style battleground with the magical, the technological, the psychics and the gods all battling with, against, and for each other.
Also, difficult =/= impossible. In fact that's the basis of every story; if we automatically assumed Shirou would lose every time he tried something difficult, there would be no story, da?
Basically, Minaka enjoys the "hometeam advantage" . Had this been a neutral city or Clocktower territory, things would be different. Even then, just because you're the official mage of a city doesn't prevent other mages from taking over. Or the Church from trying to take over. Or the DAA. Or well, anyone who responds to a world-threatening problem.
There's also the meta-concepts to consider. Shirou versus the Clocktower would obviously go to Shirou eventually, or the story would shut down quickly. Likewise, Shirou versus Minaka for the same reasons.
But Clocktower versus Minaka? Villain against villain? Chessmasters with worldwide resources versus chessmaster with homeground advantage? It's anyone's game at that point.
And it's not like Minaka controls all the Sekirei anyway. If GB plays this right, Shirou's group might end up having to help one side against the other. Or even fighting both at the same time in a three-way war.
Let us see what you are capable of, Gabriel. Let's see how far you've come, the extent of your imagination, the barriers you'll break and the traditions you'll destroy.
Or in other words, I want a 40k style battleground with the magical, the technological, the psychics and the gods all battling with, against, and for each other.
Well, it's just an amusing theory I had.
My other, more mundane theory is that the Ashikabi's and his Seikirei's mana/od/prana pool begin to overlap, increasing the overall size of the Ashikabi's. It would also explain why only Ashikabi of a certain level of power can Wing the more powerful Sekirei : Sekireis only react to people whose prana pool is big enough to support them.
I also don't remember it ever being said that there was an actual limit to how many Sekirei an Ashikabi could Wing.
My other, more mundane theory is that the Ashikabi's and his Seikirei's mana/od/prana pool begin to overlap, increasing the overall size of the Ashikabi's. It would also explain why only Ashikabi of a certain level of power can Wing the more powerful Sekirei : Sekireis only react to people whose prana pool is big enough to support them.
I also don't remember it ever being said that there was an actual limit to how many Sekirei an Ashikabi could Wing.
This reminds me of when someone pointed that fact out and MIB was afterwards considered to be weaker then Sekirei canon. I honestly never got that view. In twenty years MIB made their own city using just their own assets. The first group that comes to mind that managed to make their own city is NERV who had a good chunk of the world's resources backing them. If anything MIB is more impressive to me for doing that.
Actually, it isn't a city, but the entire *capital* that MBI's bought out.
Ghostface and I did some research for Veiled Moon, and discovered that Tokyo is huge. 23 wards (seemingly a bit more in Sekirei's timeline).
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo</a>
A map appeared in Sekirei in chapter 21 on Matsu's screen during the search for Tsukiumi.
<a href='http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/379/03-021.0/compressed/Sekirei_vol03_087.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/379/03-...i_vol03_087.jpg</a>
Another map appeared in the anime after Tsukiumi's winging on Takami's pad I believe in either episode 5 or 6, in that scene with Takami and Minaka on the roof of the tower.
In this new map, both sections are considered Tokyo however the green section, Eastern Tokyo, is the Capital, which contains wards such as Nerima (Ranma) and Minato (Sailor Moon, and this is where the Tokyo Tower is).
<a href='http://www.amy.hi-ho.ne.jp/mizuy/tap/uptokyo.gif' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.amy.hi-ho.ne.jp/mizuy/tap/uptokyo.gif</a>
From another screen in the anime I'm guessing Maison Izumo is in the Arakawa ward or Taito ward, both in the northern sections of Tokyo (and hence the titles "Hannya of the North" and "Minato of the North"). From this, I also surmise that where Haruka and Kuno's escape was in Adachi over either the Sumida River or the Arakawa River going into Saitama.
Ghostface and I did some research for Veiled Moon, and discovered that Tokyo is huge. 23 wards (seemingly a bit more in Sekirei's timeline).
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo</a>
A map appeared in Sekirei in chapter 21 on Matsu's screen during the search for Tsukiumi.
<a href='http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/379/03-021.0/compressed/Sekirei_vol03_087.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/379/03-...i_vol03_087.jpg</a>
Another map appeared in the anime after Tsukiumi's winging on Takami's pad I believe in either episode 5 or 6, in that scene with Takami and Minaka on the roof of the tower.
In this new map, both sections are considered Tokyo however the green section, Eastern Tokyo, is the Capital, which contains wards such as Nerima (Ranma) and Minato (Sailor Moon, and this is where the Tokyo Tower is).
<a href='http://www.amy.hi-ho.ne.jp/mizuy/tap/uptokyo.gif' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.amy.hi-ho.ne.jp/mizuy/tap/uptokyo.gif</a>
From another screen in the anime I'm guessing Maison Izumo is in the Arakawa ward or Taito ward, both in the northern sections of Tokyo (and hence the titles "Hannya of the North" and "Minato of the North"). From this, I also surmise that where Haruka and Kuno's escape was in Adachi over either the Sumida River or the Arakawa River going into Saitama.
Well, if MBI definitely takes over Tokyo, then they'll definitely catch the attention of the supernatural groups that live there. Like the Tohno Clan, the Demon Hunter Association, the Aozaki Sisters, and the local members of the Church.
I do sort of wonder who'd win in a fight between Shirou and Ciel or Satsujinki.
I do sort of wonder who'd win in a fight between Shirou and Ciel or Satsujinki.
While reareading the ending of 9th chapter I remembered girl Shirou and lold even more at the irony of their testosterone talk.
I do wonder when will he have Shirou find out about ashikabi dies>sekirei terminated information, in the manga Minato found that out from discipline squad ashikabi when he felt the need to inform him of it, for whatever reason.
New 6 page special has Karasuba and I think Takami having a talk about some things, gotta wait for a translation but their talk seemed very calm, they also mentioned Yume as well.
I do wonder when will he have Shirou find out about ashikabi dies>sekirei terminated information, in the manga Minato found that out from discipline squad ashikabi when he felt the need to inform him of it, for whatever reason.
New 6 page special has Karasuba and I think Takami having a talk about some things, gotta wait for a translation but their talk seemed very calm, they also mentioned Yume as well.
Actually, the more likely explanation is the other way around: MBI is Japan's government-sponsored bid for superpowerdom, because MBI is Tokyo.
This is bad news all around for anyone sane because it means the Masquerade is already broken. Can you imagine what would happen if the Clocktower can go all out without worrying about revealing magic?
Shirou is suicidal and self-sacrificing. Shiki would hate that about him. Having to deal with death on a per second basis, Shiki is about as pro-life as you can get; in Shiki's philosophy, even a single sacrifice is unacceptable. Thus Shiki always aims for the "everyone's still alive" ending.
Forget the Tohnos, forget the Church, forget the Mages. A gathering of over a hundred supernatural beings in Nasuverse Tokyo has only one thing to worry about.
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The loli who can Trace people, is utterly unkillable, and can get enough prana out of a drop of blood to live for a hundred years.
Shiro Len: . . . thus as I say, Unlimited Chara Works!
*cue Shirou being swarmed by a thousand copies of his own Sekirei.
Ending quote copyright by Mereo Flere. All rights reserved.
This is bad news all around for anyone sane because it means the Masquerade is already broken. Can you imagine what would happen if the Clocktower can go all out without worrying about revealing magic?
Shirou is suicidal and self-sacrificing. Shiki would hate that about him. Having to deal with death on a per second basis, Shiki is about as pro-life as you can get; in Shiki's philosophy, even a single sacrifice is unacceptable. Thus Shiki always aims for the "everyone's still alive" ending.
Forget the Tohnos, forget the Church, forget the Mages. A gathering of over a hundred supernatural beings in Nasuverse Tokyo has only one thing to worry about.
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The loli who can Trace people, is utterly unkillable, and can get enough prana out of a drop of blood to live for a hundred years.
Shiro Len: . . . thus as I say, Unlimited Chara Works!
*cue Shirou being swarmed by a thousand copies of his own Sekirei.
Ending quote copyright by Mereo Flere. All rights reserved.
Damnit! :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: Didn't even notice.
Note to self: always have wiki open for spell check.
@Wheeljack: Actually In Flight says in the first or second chapter that it doesn't take place in Tokyo like canon does. I'll try to find the quote latter.
Edit: After looking through the first five chapters and not finding the quote that I thought I remembered I'll coincide that I was wrong. If I find proof that I wasn't I'll post it here.
Note to self: always have wiki open for spell check.
@Wheeljack: Actually In Flight says in the first or second chapter that it doesn't take place in Tokyo like canon does. I'll try to find the quote latter.
Edit: After looking through the first five chapters and not finding the quote that I thought I remembered I'll coincide that I was wrong. If I find proof that I wasn't I'll post it here.