Bleach Veiled Moon Chapter 01

holyknight

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#76
Still....it will be interesting to see....WHAT it could be the effect of a Reiatsu/Reiryoku overexposure for a Sekirei's soul?
 

marthf1

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#77
Maybe a confrontation ala Alien vs. Predator? Are you saying that Sekirei are close enough to human that the human dead can affect them? Then they kind of would have noticed the alien spaceship & the power that the first Disciplinary Squad utilized to kill thousands of people of numerous nations. Urahara would have sold his dead soul to have some of the technology Minaka found in the spaceship. Then you would have to figure out whether the Soul Society we see operates over the world or only Japan. And Miya & Minaka would certainly not be doing nothing about it since 108 in a defined area makes it rather easy to track them.

And if anything, the Sekirei would have their own Soul Reapers on their original planet. Although, since their planet went the way of the dodo, I think, they might be free game, considering some of the species in Soul Society. But I still don't think you can blindly say that the souls are similar enough considering their powers are available when when they are alive versus dead along with operating on completely different principles. I would bet that Sekirei's dead would trounce Soul Society's since, if anything, being dead would only make them stronger.
 

nick012000

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#78
marthf1 said:
Maybe a confrontation ala Alien vs. Predator? Are you saying that Sekirei are close enough to human that the human dead can affect them? Then they kind of would have noticed the alien spaceship & the power that the first Disciplinary Squad utilized to kill thousands of people of numerous nations. Urahara would have sold his dead soul to have some of the technology Minaka found in the spaceship. Then you would have to figure out whether the Soul Society we see operates over the world or only Japan. And Miya & Minaka would certainly not be doing nothing about it since 108 in a defined area makes it rather easy to track them.

And if anything, the Sekirei would have their own Soul Reapers on their original planet. Although, since their planet went the way of the dodo, I think, they might be free game, considering some of the species in Soul Society. But I still don't think you can blindly say that the souls are similar enough considering their powers are available when when they are alive versus dead along with operating on completely different principles. I would bet that Sekirei's dead would trounce Soul Society's since, if anything, being dead would only make them stronger.
I'll point out that we know nothing of the Sekirei's home world, assuming they even had one and they weren't from Earth all along (be it from some ancient civilization or the future or an alternate time line). I'm pretty sure shinigami could affect them, as well; spiritual power is spiritual power, and that's what it'd come down to in the end.

Also, I really doubt Urahara would care that much about MBI's minions wiping out the invasion force; even a Lieutenant could likely have done the same, and a Captain or two definitely could have.
 

Seed00

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#79
Having a captain wipe out the invading force is overkill to the nth degree. The only one I see doing it without direct orders to do so would be Kenpachi, but he would see them all as weaklings and not worth his time.

Though the question I want to ask, we've seen Ichigo's skill and reflexes and while It's been stated he would have a trouble against a well rested Sekirei, will this fic assume that his skill with the sword remains?
 

Wheeljack

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#80
nick012000 said:
marthf1 said:
Maybe a confrontation ala Alien vs. Predator? Are you saying that Sekirei are close enough to human that the human dead can affect them? Then they kind of would have noticed the alien spaceship & the power that the first Disciplinary Squad utilized to kill thousands of people of numerous nations. Urahara would have sold his dead soul to have some of the technology Minaka found in the spaceship. Then you would have to figure out whether the Soul Society we see operates over the world or only Japan. And Miya & Minaka would certainly not be doing nothing about it since 108 in a defined area makes it rather easy to track them.

And if anything, the Sekirei would have their own Soul Reapers on their original planet. Although, since their planet went the way of the dodo, I think, they might be free game, considering some of the species in Soul Society. But I still don't think you can blindly say that the souls are similar enough considering their powers are available when when they are alive versus dead along with operating on completely different principles. I would bet that Sekirei's dead would trounce Soul Society's since, if anything, being dead would only make them stronger.
I'll point out that we know nothing of the Sekirei's home world, assuming they even had one and they weren't from Earth all along (be it from some ancient civilization or the future or an alternate time line). I'm pretty sure shinigami could affect them, as well; spiritual power is spiritual power, and that's what it'd come down to in the end.

Also, I really doubt Urahara would care that much about MBI's minions wiping out the invasion force; even a Lieutenant could likely have done the same, and a Captain or two definitely could have.
Just want to note, that as long as it doesn't affect Soul Society, whatever happens in the human world is beneath their concern.

The massive amount of bodies that piled up on the island from the invading forces would simply be seen as the same from any other war or conflict that happens on the planet.

As for the conversation, its a tad bit of overanalyzing, but still interesting.

Seed00 said:
Though the question I want to ask, we've seen Ichigo's skill and reflexes and while It's been stated he would have a trouble against a well rested Sekirei, will this fic assume that his skill with the sword remains?
I will say that it was a bit of a surprise to us that Ichigo kept his reflexes and strength, as we had to do a bit of rewrite of his confrontation with Hibiki and Hikari, as we wrote that before the new arc started.

If anything, Ichigo could get off a few good hits as most if not all sekirei wouldn't expect the strength that he does have. If its prolonged and the sekirei is allowed to then compensate then their could be problems. It also, of course, depends on the sekirei he may or may not be facing. Against someone from his group that still has spiritual powers, like Chad or Uryu would be completely different.

As to Ichigo and a blade, I can't see why not due to muscle memory, however, of course the force behind what he can do currently is nothing to what he was once capable of.
 

LORD_ARM

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#81
Ghostface said:
Isshin nodded in satisfaction, "Yes, that's one of my better ideas I've had
since this morning! She can meet all your friends and her competition in
Orihime!! We could get a real match out of this!!"

"What're you talking about now?!"

"Yes," Isshin continued. Ignoring his son as he pointed towards his roof,
"The war to become the newest daughter of the Kurosaki clan!! It's the
war to end all wars!! I'm so glad I thought of it."
I don't think that its going to be that much of a war since Sekirei are more open mind about having more then just two people in a relationship.


By the way is Ichigo going to get any more Sekirei. I would like to see Tsukiumi as his second Sekirei. Her rivalry with Musubi will still be there but instead of fight over Minato, they will be figthing over who has the best Ashikabi and who can be the best wife.
 

nick012000

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#82
LORD_ARM said:
Ghostface said:
Isshin nodded in satisfaction, "Yes, that's one of my better ideas I've had
since this morning!á She can meet all your friends and her competition in
Orihime!!á We could get a real match out of this!!"

"What're you talking about now?!"

"Yes," Isshin continued.á Ignoring his son as he pointed towards his roof,
"The war to become the newest daughter of the Kurosaki clan!!á It's the
war to end all wars!!á I'm so glad I thought of it."
I don't think that its going to be that much of a war since Sekirei are more open mind about having more then just two people in a relationship.
So is Orihime, for that matter; she proposed a polyamorous relationship with Ichigo to the girls at school.

By the way is Ichigo going to get any more Sekirei. I would like to see Tsukiumi as his second Sekirei. Her rivalry with Musubi will still be there but instead of fight over Minato, they will be figthing over who has the best Ashikabi and who can be the best wife.
I hope he gets <a href='http://sekirei.wikia.com/wiki/Yashima' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>#84 Yashima</a>, the hammer-girl with the abusive Sekirei. If Urahara can't undo the winging, Orihime should be able to. I wouldn't be surprised if he wound up with his pseudo-harem from Bleach, as well; Orihime and Nel would probably join his harem given the chance, Rukia's got a thing for him (but may or may not be willing to share), Chizuru would likely ask to join to be with all the beautiful women (and might well be useful in a fight if she's still got her Karakura Raizer-Erotic costume), and Tatsuki is his oldest friend who might or might not be interested in him that way.

EDIT: LOL, I was looking at the Norito page on the wiki, and <a href='http://sekirei.wikia.com/wiki/Oriha' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>#101 Oriha</a>'s Norito attack is Zangetsu no Mai. I sort of wonder how that'll interact with Ichigo's Zangetsu.
 

Wheeljack

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#83
LORD_ARM said:
Ghostface said:
Isshin nodded in satisfaction, "Yes, that's one of my better ideas I've had
since this morning!? She can meet all your friends and her competition in
Orihime!!? We could get a real match out of this!!"

"What're you talking about now?!"

"Yes," Isshin continued.? Ignoring his son as he pointed towards his roof,
"The war to become the newest daughter of the Kurosaki clan!!? It's the
war to end all wars!!? I'm so glad I thought of it."
I don't think that its going to be that much of a war since Sekirei are more open mind about having more then just two people in a relationship.
Depends on the Sekirei, I would think. Tsukiumi, as seen wasn't thrilled at all to find she wasn't the only one.

By the way is Ichigo going to get any more Sekirei.
As mentioned in the prologue thread, this is Sekirei, so more than one is a given for our hero. We can't give him proper migraines with just one, y'know? B)
 

Brian Boru

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#84
Now I have this idea that Ichigo shouldn't be the only guy from Karakura sucked into this nutty situation.
 

marthf1

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#86
What, I thought the dead can't affect the living? It's one thing to have the powers when dead, but the Sekirei have them while alive. And of course we don't know anything about the homeworld or whatever. That was my point, as I said "if anything". I just think that Japan's Soul Society automatically applying to the world & aliens is foolhardy.

I still don't see how Urahara can affect an alien's bonding like that without dissecting a few of them or whatever else the Twelfth Division usually does (like with the Quincys). I think it will be far too cheap if Bleach can just say "hey, they are essentially humans so anything we can do to a human we can do to a Sekirei".


As for Tsukiumi, that require Ichigo to start getting dreams instead/along with Minato. And the easygoing, kind Ashikabi is Minato's archtype. Minato becomes pretty useless if Ichigo can do what Minato does, but better, considering Minato still exists.

In general, I mainly argue because most people are allowing Bleach to dominate the conversation, which isn't fair to the Sekirei series, in my opinion. Quite frankly, I don't care much about Bleach anyways.
 

zeebee1

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#87
Have you looked at the fandom? Not only is it tiny, but when 99% is bad, and the total, including crossovers and foreign language fanfics, if you include yours, is sity three, it doesn't take much to be the best. You'd be in the top three percent if your story proved that you were functionally literate.
 

nick012000

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#88
marthf1 said:
What, I thought the dead can't affect the living?
If that was the case, the hollow Orihime killed wouldn't have been able to mind-control the students, and Karin would have had nothing to fear from the hollow that attacked her, and Chad wouldn't have had to save her. Also, the Quincy wouldn't have been able to be wiped out by the Shinigami.

Living beings can be injured (and killed) by the dead in the Bleach cosmology, if the spirit in question has enough spiritual power to affect physical objects or other souls.

It's one thing to have the powers when dead, but the Sekirei have them while alive. And of course we don't know anything about the homeworld or whatever. That was my point, as I said "if anything". I just think that Japan's Soul Society automatically applying to the world & aliens is foolhardy.
So? So do Ichigo's friends, and Soul Society takes an interest in them, at least to some degree. Don't see why the Sekirei would be any different.

I still don't see how Urahara can affect an alien's bonding like that without dissecting a few of them or whatever else the Twelfth Division usually does (like with the Quincys). I think it will be far too cheap if Bleach can just say "hey, they are essentially humans so anything we can do to a human we can do to a Sekirei".
Urahara figured out how to negate Yammi's attacks after about thirty seconds after he started fighting him; I think the dude could probably figure out how the link works. Heck, it might well be as simple as the two of them being connected by a Chain of Fate running between their hearts, though I doubt it's something that's obviously visible or Ichigo's friends would have mentioned Ichigo trailing a chain out of his chest off into the distance.

In general, I mainly argue because most people are allowing Bleach to dominate the conversation, which isn't fair to the Sekirei series, in my opinion. Quite frankly, I don't care much about Bleach anyways.
I'd put the more powerful Sekirei at somewhere between Lieutenant and Captain level; it certainly fits with some of their feats like blowing up the bridge and the bullet-dodging the first Disciplinary Squad did in the anime.
 

Wheeljack

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#89
zeebee1 said:
Have you looked at the fandom? Not only is it tiny, but when 99% is bad, and the total, including crossovers and foreign language fanfics, if you include yours, is sity three, it doesn't take much to be the best. You'd be in the top three percent if your story proved that you were functionally literate.
It isn't so much as that zee, as I do agree with you on the small amount of fics but there are a few good ones there, some of which mentioned already. But the other thing, other than relation to how it stacks up to others, is what do you like about it so far? Character interaction? Dialogue? That sort of thing if I wasn't clear as much as I should have been when I originally asked.
 

Ranma Uzumaki

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#90
Tsuki_CB said:
I would like to see Tsukiumi as his second Sekirei.
I actually hope to see this too, I think it would be interesting.
nah Kazehana has Ichigo second Sekirei would be better I can see both Kazehana and Uzume popping up in the bath trying to wash his back or dressing up in sexy outfit to seduce him.
 

zeebee1

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#91
I'm against Ichigo getting any of Minato's girls. The next thing you're going to do is try to hook him up with both Musubi and Yume.
 

Ranma Uzumaki

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#92
zeebee1 said:
I'm against Ichigo getting any of Minato's girls. The next thing you're going to do is try to hook him up with both Musubi and Yume.
Minato can keep all of the others I just want Ichigo to get Kazehana.
 

marthf1

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#93
If anything, maybe Yume, assuming she can be separated from Musubi. You know, being 'dead' & all. It would fit right in with Bleach, although being an alien might make things a bit finicky.

As for Kazahana, why wouldn't she be fine right where she will be? What makes Ichigo so deserving of her, or any of Minato's future Sekirei? I don't he has the traits that would heal her from her unrequited love of Minaka.


Edit: I will probably be one of the one that say 'who?', since I bet some have to be taken from the anime & I haven't watched it. As long as there is a fair trade for Sekirei that have been switched around (if they are not one of the numerous only-has-one-&-will-be-eliminated), I don't think I will mind.
 

Wheeljack

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#94
I'll say this in regards to who Ichigo wings. We've already deliberated and decided on which sekireis will be Ichigo's as well as how many he will end up with.

Some will be delighted. Some will be disappointed, perhaps angry. And some will say 'who?'.

marthf1 said:
If anything, maybe Yume, assuming she can be separated from Musubi. You know, being "dead" & all. It would fit right in with Bleach, although being an alien might make things a bit finicky.
We can count out Yume, as she and Musubi are pretty much as close to being one and the same as they could get, and at this point Musubi is already Minato's.
 

Seed00

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#95
Not many people will respond well to an OC, but even OC's can be well written.

And with so many sekirei out there, (the few we've seen though), can still be winged by Ichigo.

As for a crazy idea: Ichigo wings Karasuba, Sekirei 04. The tension that would occur between her and Miya would be of epic proportions.
 

kitsuneb

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#96
:eek: Would the Maizon Izumo still be standing? And interstingly enough I had a dream about that last night!
 

nick012000

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#97
Seed00 said:
Not many people will respond well to an OC, but even OC's can be well written.

And with so many sekirei out there, (the few we've seen though), can still be winged by Ichigo.

As for a crazy idea: Ichigo wings Karasuba, Sekirei 04. The tension that would occur between her and Miya would be of epic proportions.
Considering that she should already be winged, Ichigo would need to get either Orihime or Urahara to un-wing her so that he could re-wing her, and I really doubt that'd happen, given her personality.

Now, if, say, she ran into Zaraki Kenpachi, got into a fight with him, and wistfully said something like "I wish my ashikibi was half as manly as you", followed by a trip to Urahara, that's something I could see happening (though depending on what happened with the original now-dead Yachiru that the current Yachiru is named after, he may not be interested in women at all).
 

Brian Boru

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#98
nick012000 said:
Seed00 said:
Not many people will respond well to an OC, but even OC's can be well written.

And with so many sekirei out there, (the few we've seen though), can still be winged by Ichigo.

As for a crazy idea: Ichigo wings Karasuba, Sekirei 04. The tension that would occur between her and Miya would be of epic proportions.
Considering that she should already be winged, Ichigo would need to get either Orihime or Urahara to un-wing her so that he could re-wing her, and I really doubt that'd happen, given her personality.

Now, if, say, she ran into Zaraki Kenpachi, got into a fight with him, and wistfully said something like "I wish my ashikibi was half as manly as you", followed by a trip to Urahara, that's something I could see happening (though depending on what happened with the original now-dead Yachiru that the current Yachiru is named after, he may not be interested in women at all).
Or it could be she's a dead ringer for the original Yachiru which would open a whole new can of worms right there.
 

Seed00

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#99
Yep, just checked it. Didn't know about her being winged yet, and we don't know whether Orihime's powers can affect the winging process anyway. So, until Wheeljack or Ghostface say anything about Orihime (which they won't for a while), i'm throwing that idea to the back shelves.
 

kitsuneb

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Around the time where this story starts, about 87% of the Sekirei were winged, I say this on the basis that a short week after Tsukiumi was winged bringing the total to 90%, so it may be a little difficult to have Ichigo wing already established characters. Kazehana and Kagari would be prime examples of candidates if Ghostface and Wheeljack say so. But again, when it comes to Sekirei it might be difficult to shake that certain status quo.
 
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