Nasuverse What...the...hell

Akujiki

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#2
I'd read it in a heartbeat. It's by the Baccano! guy, so it should at least be interesting.
 

Amodelsino

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#3
I know I'm too invested in F/SN when the first thought that popped into my head upon reading this was MAD ENHANCEMENT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! Even though I realized it was a parody from the start.

But yeah, it should be fun.
 

grant

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#4
If it's real I'd play/read/spend money on it in a heartbeat.

Especially the part with Alexandre Dumas, I'm a fan of the Count of Monte Christo.
 

Prince Charon

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#5
Oh, yeah, biiiig mess happening, there.

Also, leaves open the idea of other Fake Grail Wars, some more FUBAR than others. It would be difficult to get more FUBAR than this one, though.

EDIT: If Shirou hears about this, or any other attempt, he'll most likely be very, very irritated.
 

Sivere

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#6
Yeah, I'd pay to see this.

The bit that settled it for me: "The Black Death rides People[...]". Best Rider ever.
 

nick012000

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#7
Amodelsino said:
I know I'm too invested in F/SN when the first thought that popped into my head upon reading this was MAD ENHANCEMENT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! Even though I realized it was a parody from the start.
Maybe he has a really low-ranked Mad Enhancement?
 

Amodelsino

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#9
nick012000 said:
Amodelsino said:
I know I'm too invested in F/SN when the first thought that popped into my head upon reading this was MAD ENHANCEMENT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! Even though I realized it was a parody from the start.
Maybe he has a really low-ranked Mad Enhancement?
Again, Mad Enhancement does not work that way. Lower ranked Mad Enhancements doesn't make them any less mad, it just enhances their stats less than higher ranked Mad Enhancement. It also doesn't make the servant mad all the time. The only reason Heracles was always crazy was because Illya did that on purpose.

Berserkers normally are completely sane (unless of course they were never sane to begin with). The master has to actually activate the Mad Enhancement to make them go crazy. This is why Jack the Ripper becoming sane because he was summoned as a Berserker makes no sense.
 

Ryuugi

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#10
Amodelsino said:
Again, Mad Enhancement does not work that way. Lower ranked Mad Enhancements doesn't make them any less mad, it just enhances their stats less than higher ranked Mad Enhancement. It also doesn't make the servant mad all the time.
Well, that's not completely correct. Lancelot's Mad Enhancement was C Ranked, and merly left him unable to speak or think coherently. Heracles had a B Rank in Mad Enhancement, and lot almost all of his sanity. So it seems that the Rank does effect the amount of sanity lost. However, it still wouldn't work like it does for Jack, no matter how low it was. But, well, it is a parody.
 

trevelyan1983

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#11
Heracles was a fruit loop because Ilya made him that way.

It was her payback for the incredible amount of pain that she was in, sustaining him. He's the exception that proves the rule on Mad Enhancement - he's not the baseline.
 

Ryuugi

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#12
trevelyan1983 said:
Heracles was a fruit loop because Ilya made him that way.?

It was her payback for the incredible amount of pain that she was in, sustaining him.? He's the exception that proves the rule on Mad Enhancement - he's not the baseline.
Yeah but Ilya made him insane by activating the 'Mad' part of Mad Enhancement (but, interestingly, not the 'Enhancement' Part). Besides which, I was just quoting canon as to the effects of the respective Mad Enhancements.

From Type-Moon Wiki:

Mad EnhancementRaises basic parameters in exchange of hindering mental capacities. In some cases, also seals away Personal Skills.

B: Boost up all parameters, but takes away most of sanity.
C: Boost up all parameters except Luck and Mana, but in exchange one can no longer think and speak properly.
 

trevelyan1983

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#13
Quote me Fuyuki. I'm not trusting delineation of ranks and mechanics to the T-M wiki.

It's true that Heracles' Mad was always on, his Enhancement was rarely used, but using him as a baseline for typical ME at Rank B is fucking retarded.
 

Ryuugi

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#14
The Mad Enhancement information isn't (and was never), on fuyuki. I'll try to find screen shots of Berserker's status screen later, if you want.

I fail to see how using Berserker as a baseline for the loss of sanity that is normal for B Rank is retarded, given that A) He's the only B rank Berserker we have, B) he's only insane because of ME (well, because Ilya activated his ME, but still, she was only able to keep him insane because of the ME inherent to Berserker's), and C), there is a definite deferance between the sanities of the Berserker from F/SN and and the one from F/Z.

Here's the one from F/Z, though it's in Japanese:





Edit: I'm having trouble finding a picture of the Fate/Stay Night Berserker's status screen, but if you trust The Moonlit World:

http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~typemoon/fate/berserker.htm

Mad Enhancement: B
It raises all the parameters but he loses most of sanity.
 

trevelyan1983

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#15
I'll trust Moonlit World's take on the matter - although I still think that the difference between I can't speak and I'm fucking retarded is too much to be attributed only to a one Rank difference.
 

Ryuugi

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#16
trevelyan1983 said:
I'll trust Moonlit World's take on the matter - although I still think that the difference between I can't speak and I'm fucking retarded is too much to be attributed only to a one Rank difference.
You would be surprised at the differance between Ranks. For Independant Action C Rank is one day, B Rank is two, A is a week, and A+ is forever. Meaning B is twice C, A is over three times B, and A+ is several hudred times A.
 

Shiakou

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#17
Ryuugi said:
trevelyan1983 said:
I'll trust Moonlit World's take on the matter - although I still think that the difference between I can't speak and I'm fucking retarded is too much to be attributed only to a one Rank difference.
You would be surprised at the differance between Ranks. For Independant Action C Rank is one day, B Rank is two, A is a week, and A+ is forever. Meaning B is twice C, A is over three times B, and A+ is an infinite number of times greater than A.
Fixed. And yeah, the Ranks really do matter.
 

Mercsenary

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#18
You: There is a hole in the ritual. There is no Saber class. But there is a Seventh Master. With no Servant to draw upon, you can draw upon the power of any Servant; but only 5 times. Each time is for a limited duration, depending on the power expended.
OH SHI-
 

nick012000

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#19
Mercsenary said:
You: There is a hole in the ritual. There is no Saber class. But there is a Seventh Master. With no Servant to draw upon, you can draw upon the power of any Servant; but only 5 times. Each time is for a limited duration, depending on the power expended.
OH SHI-
Presumably, just the six servants in this Holy Grail War. I doubt we'll be seeing EXCALIBAAAAAH! any time soon. :p
 

Amodelsino

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#20
Dude. You do realize that that would be more H4X than any servant who hasn't been summoned right? Fucking Gilgamesh is in this war. Y'know, strongest Eirei in existence? Guy who is canonically confirmed to be able to kick Arcueid's ass? Without Emiya Shirou there is some form, or Dues Ex Machina, his powers are pretty much unbeatable.

Ea > Excalibur. By a hell of a lot.
 

nick012000

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#21
Amodelsino said:
Dude. You do realize that that would be more H4X than any servant who hasn't been summoned right? Fucking Gilgamesh is in this war. Y'know, strongest Eirei in existence? Guy who is canonically confirmed to be able to kick Arcueid's ass? Without Emiya Shirou there is some form, or Dues Ex Machina, his powers are pretty much unbeatable.

Ea > Excalibur. By a hell of a lot.
"Saber" can mimic his powers, and meet swordspam with more swordspam. Caster manufactures Noble Phantasms by the bucketload by writing about them, and arms the local magical police department with them. Finally, Rider rides people. Servants are people. How'd you think Gil would react to Enkidu being hijacked? ;)
 

trevelyan1983

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#22
Doesn't matter much.

Fate Zero Gilgamesh was a fucking monster, and had a much better handle on his own arrogance - he'll bare his torso and spam nukes, and has the prana supply to back up his mouth.
 

Raven

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#23
nick012000 said:
Amodelsino said:
Dude. You do realize that that would be more H4X than any servant who hasn't been summoned right? Fucking Gilgamesh is in this war. Y'know, strongest Eirei in existence? Guy who is canonically confirmed to be able to kick Arcueid's ass? Without Emiya Shirou there is some form, or Dues Ex Machina, his powers are pretty much unbeatable.

Ea > Excalibur. By a hell of a lot.
"Saber" can mimic his powers, and meet swordspam with more swordspam. Caster manufactures Noble Phantasms by the bucketload by writing about them, and arms the local magical police department with them. Finally, Rider rides people. Servants are people. How'd you think Gil would react to Enkidu being hijacked? ;)
hehehe....
 

firestorm

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#24
Gil IS beatable. It doesn't matter HOW much he beamspams if you put a bullet in his master's head, and...you know...the 'Rider' in this scenario...yeah.
 

grant

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#25
Plus for a guy who can kill Hercules he dies pretty easy.
 
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