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[Ike]

The ganking is fairly expected, but Ysera is not pvp, so the problem wasn't getting attacked, it was dealing with the players stupidity and generally ignorant remarks that got on my nerves while trying out the alliance side.

As to the reason I picked Dranei while trying out alliance is I like their back story.

They are also a kind group like the Taurens. They're what's left of a race that was corrupted by the Burning Legion. When the rest of their kind would not listen to reason about what the Legion's offer would do to them, They exiled themselves, knowingly consigning themselves to an eternity of being hunted unless they manage to defeat the Burning Legion.

The main reason in my mind though that they should be on the Horde side, is with the rightous exile thing, they would feel guilty as a people for dragging the Orcs into their conflict. The Orcs were minding there business with there Shamanistic culture when the Burning Legion comes. Kiljaden tired of losing because all he would do is frontal assaults, corrupts the orcs to his will and manages to use them against the Dranei.

... I know the history of the Draenai.

Thats why I said they were the stupidest retcon ever.

No mention of them is ever made until BC, yet they apparently cohabitated with the orcs, even when the dark portal was opened?

No mention at all?

Fuck, not even a mention of the Broken?

You also must be thinking of Archimonde about the frontal attacks thing, because KJ is specifically noted for being a fucking clever guy. Thats why, ya know, he DID the whole corrupting the orcs thing.


The Draenai just don't make any sense to me... what with their whole use of spaceships and supposed 'most powerful magic users in the goddamn universe' (direct lore statement about the Eredar)... I mean, you'd think that maybe the Night Elves, who overuse of arcane magic attracted Sargeras from across the damn universe, or the blue dragons, who were the manifested guardians of magic as declared by a fucking Titan, would have that title...

But no, Eredar got retconned into that, and Draenai were the good remnants of them.

 

[The Eromancer]

This is why I play horde, I hate the alliance.

However on some days where I'm just feeling like a dick myself I play an Human Paladin and ALWAYS go "crusading" as it were.

Ever seen a homicidal charge of 40 Paladins on Undercity?

 

[Dubrichius]

This is why I play horde, I hate the alliance.

However on some days where I'm just feeling like a dick myself I play an Human Paladin and ALWAYS go "crusading" as it were.

Ever seen a homicidal charge of 40 Paladins on Undercity?

It's Epic lulz, and would've been a complete massacre had Blizzard kept the Forsaken categorised as Undead, instead of changing them to humanoid; most likely to prevent them from being lulzpwnd by a raid of 40 Pally's.

 

[toraneko]

Well, if it's storyline-wise, maybe you have a small point about the Draenei. But they do have a history if just mostly being forgotten, or otherwise intentionally downplayed by other races/factions.

It seems pretty obvious that they'd go Alliance, considering that the Alliance are the only ones who, at the time, had a decent following of the Light. They hadn't counted on the possibility that, unlike the Draenei, other species who follow the Light might willfully misinterpret some teachings and act like dickholes.

That, and also the Blood Elves (especially the Blood Knights) are complete cuntrags, especially towards the Draenei, and distancing themselves from that was a good call. Even if Velen is being pretty forgiving of them.

In story, yeah, the Gnomes are decent guys who just tend to get ignored. Tauren likewise, but with a bit more in the way of admirable traits.

Humans? Dicks, except a few (Jaina and Tirion, to name two notables). But it's not surprising, considering the way the current fluff has humans being essentially runty failure offspring of a race of vampire giants.

The Forsaken, however... I wonder how anyone can defend them. Being an oppressed race doesn't magically make you not a douchebag. Sylvanas has promoted research by the Royal Apothecary Society into a plague intended to kill everyone - Scourge, Alliance, and Horde alike - and bring them back as Forsaken. This, instead of trying to find a way to return to real life, or at least ways to live in peace.
Just watch the Wrathgate movie for a really good example.

 

[Ike]

Well, if it's storyline-wise, maybe you have a small point about the Draenei. But they do have a history if just mostly being forgotten, or otherwise intentionally downplayed by other races/factions.

It seems pretty obvious that they'd go Alliance, considering that the Alliance are the only ones who, at the time, had a decent following of the Light. They hadn't counted on the possibility that, unlike the Draenei, other species who follow the Light might willfully misinterpret some teachings and act like dickholes.

That, and also the Blood Elves (especially the Blood Knights) are complete cuntrags, especially towards the Draenei, and distancing themselves from that was a good call. Even if Velen is being pretty forgiving of them.

In story, yeah, the Gnomes are decent guys who just tend to get ignored. Tauren likewise, but with a bit more in the way of admirable traits.

Humans? Dicks, except a few (Jaina and Tirion, to name two notables). But it's not surprising, considering the way the current fluff has humans being essentially runty failure offspring of a race of vampire giants.

The Forsaken, however... I wonder how anyone can defend them. Being an oppressed race doesn't magically make you not a douchebag. Sylvanas has promoted research by the Royal Apothecary Society into a plague intended to kill everyone - Scourge, Alliance, and Horde alike - and bring them back as Forsaken. This, instead of trying to find a way to return to real life, or at least ways to live in peace.
Just watch the Wrathgate movie for a really good example.

No, everything about the Draenai was retconned in during TBC. They didn't HAVE a history to be downplayed until then.

And yeah, the Blood Knights are dicks. Dicks with the best tabard in the game, but hey, they didn't go hunting for Mi'ru, Kael somehow managed to capture him (her?) on his own. Other then that, I don't recall anything other Blood Knight dickery.




Did you do the alliance build up to the wrath gate event or something?


What sylvanas did was promote research into a new plague that HURT the undead, not turn everyone into the forsaken. Ya know, as a weapon to stop Arthas? And it actually worked, too! That was the whole point of the last leg of the horde precursor quests (where you plague down hordes of zombies in a tank).

However, Putress and Varimathras were dbags who mutinied and caused the whole scenario you're describing, where they, ya know, attacked everyone? Though, to be fair, it looks like theres a good chance the human commander managed to survive, as going by the draconic conversation that Alexstraza and her man had (some bug allowed some people to understand what they were saying).


Sylvanas during the entire horde version just follows Thrall around, watching his badassery (HE FUCKING BEAT THE ELEVATOR BOSS!!!!!) But its fairly clear that Varimathras's uprising and Putress's attack were certainly not her intention.

 

[toraneko]

I'm still pretty certain that Sylvanas wanted exactly the effect the plague-bombs had - just that she wanted to wait for a better time to use it, likely against the whole of Azeroth at once.

 

[blackkyuubi]

Well, if it's storyline-wise, maybe you have a small point about the Draenei. But they do have a history if just mostly being forgotten, or otherwise intentionally downplayed by other races/factions.

It seems pretty obvious that they'd go Alliance, considering that the Alliance are the only ones who, at the time, had a decent following of the Light. They hadn't counted on the possibility that, unlike the Draenei, other species who follow the Light might willfully misinterpret some teachings and act like dickholes.

That, and also the Blood Elves (especially the Blood Knights) are complete cuntrags, especially towards the Draenei, and distancing themselves from that was a good call. Even if Velen is being pretty forgiving of them.

In story, yeah, the Gnomes are decent guys who just tend to get ignored. Tauren likewise, but with a bit more in the way of admirable traits.

Humans? Dicks, except a few (Jaina and Tirion, to name two notables). But it's not surprising, considering the way the current fluff has humans being essentially runty failure offspring of a race of vampire giants.

The Forsaken, however... I wonder how anyone can defend them. Being an oppressed race doesn't magically make you not a douchebag.? Sylvanas has promoted research by the Royal Apothecary Society into a plague intended to kill everyone - Scourge, Alliance, and Horde alike - and bring them back as Forsaken. This, instead of trying to find a way to return to real life, or at least ways to live in peace.
Just watch the Wrathgate movie for a really good example.

No, everything about the Draenai was retconned in during TBC. They didn't HAVE a history to be downplayed until then.

And yeah, the Blood Knights are dicks. Dicks with the best tabard in the game, but hey, they didn't go hunting for Mi'ru, Kael somehow managed to capture him (her?) on his own. Other then that, I don't recall anything other Blood Knight dickery.




Did you do the alliance build up to the wrath gate event or something?


What sylvanas did was promote research into a new plague that HURT the undead, not turn everyone into the forsaken. Ya know, as a weapon to stop Arthas? And it actually worked, too! That was the whole point of the last leg of the horde precursor quests (where you plague down hordes of zombies in a tank).

However, Putress and Varimathras were dbags who mutinied and caused the whole scenario you're describing, where they, ya know, attacked everyone? Though, to be fair, it looks like theres a good chance the human commander managed to survive, as going by the draconic conversation that Alexstraza and her man had (some bug allowed some people to understand what they were saying).


Sylvanas during the entire horde version just follows Thrall around, watching his badassery (HE FUCKING BEAT THE ELEVATOR BOSS!!!!!) But its fairly clear that Varimathras's uprising and Putress's attack were certainly not her intention.

I don't know about you but when I did the quest Sylvanas wasn't just fallowing Thrall around. Her song was what was healing you and she put out some serious damage with those arrows of hers. As for the scene with Alexstraza, does anyone have a translation of that? I figure by know someone has decoded what dragon speak means in english, Im sorry "common".

 

[Ike]

Quoted from WoWWiki:

There is a dialogue between Korialstrasz and Alexstrasza after the Wrathgate event. It goes as follows:

Korialstrasz says: My Queen, do they know?
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: No, my beloved.
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: [Draconic] Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj Gul gul
Korialstrasz nods.
Korialstrasz says: They will not.
Alexstrasza whispers: Come to me, <name>.

This is the dialogue you see when Alexstrasza is talking to Korialstrasz but due to a a bug where some players can speak Draconic, some players are able to read and translate the line of text that Alexstrasza says.

The line of text reads:

Alexstrasza: [Draconic] They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet.

This may mean that Bolvar is alive somehow, or that he was not "purified" by the flames of the red dragons. Perhaps, he was taken to safe place by Red Dragonflight or captured by the Scourge.






It sounds to me like Bolvar is alive... Or a boss in Icecrown.



And actually, the healing effect was from Thrall, iirc. Her Aura was the mana/rage/energy/RP regen and runspeed. Thrall gave out 30k increased life and 10k life healed on damage taken.

 

[toraneko]

No, everything about the Draenai was retconned in during TBC. They didn't HAVE a history to be downplayed until then.

Sorry to bring this back up, but I remembered something disproving this:
The Illidan campaign in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. Akama made his first appearance there.
There may have been other controversy in their introduction into the World of Warcraft setting, but them being "entirely retconned in" is false.

I still find that a weak reason to dislike them as a race, in any case.

 

[Ike]

No, everything about the Draenai was retconned in during TBC.? They didn't HAVE a history to be downplayed until then.

Sorry to bring this back up, but I remembered something disproving this:
The Illidan campaign in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. Akama made his first appearance there.
There may have been other controversy in their introduction into the World of Warcraft setting, but them being "entirely retconned in" is false.

I still find that a weak reason to dislike them as a race, in any case.

From WoWWiki:

In Warcraft III, Akama's Tribe possessed the Lost Ones physical appearance. This was before the retcon to the draenei/eredar history and the introduction of the Broken. Akama's new appearance is primarily that of a Broken draenei, although he possesses the characteristic mouth of the Lost Ones.

Yes, Akama had existed in W3, and so did the Broken and references to Draenei... But the parts of their history that I complained about did not.

Not weak at all, imo.

 

[Raven]

Quoted from WoWWiki:

There is a dialogue between Korialstrasz and Alexstrasza after the Wrathgate event. It goes as follows:

Korialstrasz says: My Queen, do they know?
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: No, my beloved.
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: [Draconic] Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj Gul gul
Korialstrasz nods.
Korialstrasz says: They will not.
Alexstrasza whispers: Come to me, <name>.

This is the dialogue you see when Alexstrasza is talking to Korialstrasz but due to a a bug where some players can speak Draconic, some players are able to read and translate the line of text that Alexstrasza says.

The line of text reads:

Alexstrasza: [Draconic] They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet.

This may mean that Bolvar is alive somehow, or that he was not "purified" by the flames of the red dragons. Perhaps, he was taken to safe place by Red Dragonflight or captured by the Scourge.






It sounds to me like Bolvar is alive... Or a boss in Icecrown.



And actually, the healing effect was from Thrall, iirc. Her Aura was the mana/rage/energy/RP regen and runspeed. Thrall gave out 30k increased life and 10k life healed on damage taken.

That makes me wonder. Maybe there was a reason for them killing off Bolvar and Saurfang Jr, other than just an "Anyone Can Die" thing. I don't remember the Horde ever recovering Saurfang's body. It's possible that BOTH of them will be bosses in Icecrown.