Xiaolin Showdown Misc. Ideas
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I think with Chase it would depend on the timing, because if he did it at the wrong time or too fast, Omi might not believe him and be told otherwise, one of the good guys might pull an Obi-wan ('Luke, you father was killed by Vader' kinda thing). Plus, if he waits until, say, when he and Wuya are working together, it could give him a way to bring Omi closer.
I think he was trying to see the future, though. Not the past. Been years since I've seen the show, but I thought he was trying to find out how to "destroy all evil forever", and CHase didn't want that, so he used the Reversing Mirror so it looked like Omi conquered the world.
Although, if he conquered the world in that vision, and the mirror shows the exact opposite...does that mean Omi is/will be the savior of the world?
Edit: I read up on the Wu on the WIki page, and I agree with Mr. Whiskey; that the Wu relies on Intent. That is, if you use the reversing mirror in tandem to show a false future, it will show a false future, but if you want to see the past as a reversal, it will do that instead. Pure conjecture, but plausible
Although, if he conquered the world in that vision, and the mirror shows the exact opposite...does that mean Omi is/will be the savior of the world?
Edit: I read up on the Wu on the WIki page, and I agree with Mr. Whiskey; that the Wu relies on Intent. That is, if you use the reversing mirror in tandem to show a false future, it will show a false future, but if you want to see the past as a reversal, it will do that instead. Pure conjecture, but plausible
As I remember, you're part right, there was two instances.
-First, when they first got the crystal glasses, they had thought Vlad was a good guy when he helped them win the glasses from Jack. Vlad, a double agent working for Jack (and Wuya I think), convinced Omi to use the glasses to look into the future, but used the mirror when he did, showing Omi a future where he is evil.
-Second, when the giant spiders were loose, Chase and Omi used the Fountain of Hui and the Eagle scope to find a way to defeat them. Although Chase made Omi promise not to look for a way to defeat all evil, he used the mirror as an insurance policy, so when Omi 'peeked', he saw the way to defeat all good instead.
My point is, where the mirror could have shown so many opposite futures (dying young instead of living a long time, being a weak warrior instead of strong) it showed the opposite that Vlad wanted shown, and although Chase held the mirror under the fountain, only the facts he wanted reversed were reversed, lending some credence to the idea of intent affecting the Wu.
-First, when they first got the crystal glasses, they had thought Vlad was a good guy when he helped them win the glasses from Jack. Vlad, a double agent working for Jack (and Wuya I think), convinced Omi to use the glasses to look into the future, but used the mirror when he did, showing Omi a future where he is evil.
-Second, when the giant spiders were loose, Chase and Omi used the Fountain of Hui and the Eagle scope to find a way to defeat them. Although Chase made Omi promise not to look for a way to defeat all evil, he used the mirror as an insurance policy, so when Omi 'peeked', he saw the way to defeat all good instead.
My point is, where the mirror could have shown so many opposite futures (dying young instead of living a long time, being a weak warrior instead of strong) it showed the opposite that Vlad wanted shown, and although Chase held the mirror under the fountain, only the facts he wanted reversed were reversed, lending some credence to the idea of intent affecting the Wu.
I was thinking that it would start out with the dragons noticing the Attention Wuya pays to Omi, not fighting him as much, going after the others, especially Rai and Kimiko. and all the small talk she makes with him when ever they do fight. They could start to concluded that Omi has somehow suduced Wuya with Dojo 'confirming' it by saying it might have to do with his resemblence to Dashi leading to an explanation of the back story.
So everything continues, the dragaons are trying to see if they have Omi seduce Wuya back to the light, along with that katnap girl she's been trying to shove on omi the lucky bastard, Wuya thinking her son might be getting it and she might be able to corrupt him and everything blowing up in everyones face when they relize just what the other was thinking.
So everything continues, the dragaons are trying to see if they have Omi seduce Wuya back to the light, along with that katnap girl she's been trying to shove on omi the lucky bastard, Wuya thinking her son might be getting it and she might be able to corrupt him and everything blowing up in everyones face when they relize just what the other was thinking.
The way I'm seeing it, wuya just found out and is sorta dealing with it.
I think Chase would have known from when little Omi first showed up at the temple, Why? Because he's Chanse Fucking Young, he's like Batman, he just knows. It could even be part of the reason why he sought Omi as an apprentice in the first place.
I think Chase would have known from when little Omi first showed up at the temple, Why? Because he's Chanse Fucking Young, he's like Batman, he just knows. It could even be part of the reason why he sought Omi as an apprentice in the first place.
Well, shot in the dark, maybe it was because Omi was a baby. Chase is many things, but a caregiver I doubt. He knew he couldn't really raise a baby, and even after a few years, if he just took Omi from the monks as a younger child, he'd have possibly caused some anger/hatred/resentment from Omi, so he needed to be patient and methodical. He may even see a little of himself in Omi, a warrior for good with a lot of potential, but also potential to be lured to the dark side.
Chase is always interesting to think about. He's evil but he still does things on his own terms and follows his personal sense of honor. How much of that is resistance to what was done to him and how much of it is just his natural personality is up for speculation.
It's possible that he knew about Omi well before Wuya, but like whitewhiskey said, he woulodn't want to be changing diapers. It's also possible that he was waiting for Omi to be names as a dragon apprentice and meet Wuya before setting his own plans in motion. What those plans are at this point is up for debate, but suffice it to say he wants to push a reuinion of Wuya and Omi for good or for ill.
It's possible that he knew about Omi well before Wuya, but like whitewhiskey said, he woulodn't want to be changing diapers. It's also possible that he was waiting for Omi to be names as a dragon apprentice and meet Wuya before setting his own plans in motion. What those plans are at this point is up for debate, but suffice it to say he wants to push a reuinion of Wuya and Omi for good or for ill.
Maybe he either didn't know where the box was, or saw Wuya, at first, to be more trouble then she was worth, or maybe that would be a set-up too.
There's an alternate story for ya, Wuya wasn't freed by Spicer, and Chase managed to lure Omi out, saying he knew where his mother was and it turns into a quest for Omi to free his mom and return her to solid form.
There's an alternate story for ya, Wuya wasn't freed by Spicer, and Chase managed to lure Omi out, saying he knew where his mother was and it turns into a quest for Omi to free his mom and return her to solid form.
In the end it wasn't some grand scheme that started the process of putting the pieces together. It wasn't even anything to do with an actual battle. No, it was a simple accident that began to unravel the truth. A loose boulder out in some rocky wasteland in the canyons of Utah was the ultimate instrument of the truth to reveal Wuya's past. Wuya had defeated Kimiko for a Shen Gong Wu and was about to gloat about it in front of the girl when she noticed a shadow shifting in the setting sun. She glanced up and saw a boulder that had been worked loose and just started to fall from a precipice where it would crush an unsuspecting Omi.
Wuya's body was in motion before she even fully registered the danger, shocking Kimiko as the Heylin witch rushed past her at a speed the young Fire Dragon had never seen her move. By the time Kimiko noted the several tons of rock on course to crush her diminutive friend it was already too late to do anything but shriek and point with her right hand has he left went to her mouth in horror.
Clay and Raimundo were similarly frozen as the canyon floor was filled with the dust of the falling stone's impact, obscuring from sight what they were certain would be their comrade's broken body at best.
Instead, as the dust settled, they found the peculiar sight of a red-headed former Dragon of Fire cradling a shocked Omi to her chest and muttering soothing sounds with tears in her eyes as she tried to calm the jackhammer beats of her own heart.
It took several moments before anyone could voice their thoughts at the scene, but it was finally Omi himself that summed up the predominant thought on the minds of the Dragon Warriors and Dojo alike. "You... saved me?" the young Water Dragon asked with wide eyes.
Wuya, still acting on instinct alone nodded happily as a tear fell from her right eye and she smiled at the boy in her arms. "Yes, Omi. I did," she assured him in tone far softer that her usual sultry tones.
"What the heck is this all about Wuya? Since when yolu you risk yourself to save one of us?," Raimundo demanded as he tried to wrap his head around what was happening. Was this some weird way for Wuya to try to recruit Omi the way she had once recruited him? Well if it was, she should talk to Chase Young and take the hint that Omi didn't turn on people like that.
That question was enough for Wuya's mind to reboot as she noted that she still had her son in her arms. (By the gods he was still so small. He might look like Dashi but her had definitely inherited her fine bone structure.) She let go of Omi as if his very touch burned and took two steps back from the boy in shock as her eyes darted back and forth wildly as if startled.
Eventually her eyes locked with Dojo's for a moment before she took flight without so much as a goodbye, cursing herself for her momentary lack of control. She didn't regret saving her son, of course, but she never should have said that to him.
As she flew off into the rapidly darkening skies of early dusk, Dojo looked from where the Heylin witch took flight, to Omi, and back for several seconds before his own eyes widened in shock. "No. It couldn't be. That's impossible," Dojo muttered to himself.
"What is impossible, Dojo?" Omi asked as he stepped closer to the dragon.
That question was enough to shake the resident Shen Gong Wu detector out of his reverie for a moment as he responded, "Nothing kid. Just something I need to think about. Now c'mon, let's get out of here," Dojo suggested he took his larger form to act as transportation for the group. The dragon didn't even hear the exclmations of relief that Omi was safe that the others offered as the quartet climbed on his back and he made his way back to ward the temple.
No, Dojo's mind was filled with a combination of old memories and new ideas that would need to be gone over with Master Fung and Guan as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, on Dojo's back, a certain bald-headed boy was wondering why he felt so safe and warm in the arms of one of his worst enemies. Surely Master Dashi would not approve of being in Wuya's embrace no matter how attractive comfortable it felt. Right?
Wuya's body was in motion before she even fully registered the danger, shocking Kimiko as the Heylin witch rushed past her at a speed the young Fire Dragon had never seen her move. By the time Kimiko noted the several tons of rock on course to crush her diminutive friend it was already too late to do anything but shriek and point with her right hand has he left went to her mouth in horror.
Clay and Raimundo were similarly frozen as the canyon floor was filled with the dust of the falling stone's impact, obscuring from sight what they were certain would be their comrade's broken body at best.
Instead, as the dust settled, they found the peculiar sight of a red-headed former Dragon of Fire cradling a shocked Omi to her chest and muttering soothing sounds with tears in her eyes as she tried to calm the jackhammer beats of her own heart.
It took several moments before anyone could voice their thoughts at the scene, but it was finally Omi himself that summed up the predominant thought on the minds of the Dragon Warriors and Dojo alike. "You... saved me?" the young Water Dragon asked with wide eyes.
Wuya, still acting on instinct alone nodded happily as a tear fell from her right eye and she smiled at the boy in her arms. "Yes, Omi. I did," she assured him in tone far softer that her usual sultry tones.
"What the heck is this all about Wuya? Since when yolu you risk yourself to save one of us?," Raimundo demanded as he tried to wrap his head around what was happening. Was this some weird way for Wuya to try to recruit Omi the way she had once recruited him? Well if it was, she should talk to Chase Young and take the hint that Omi didn't turn on people like that.
That question was enough for Wuya's mind to reboot as she noted that she still had her son in her arms. (By the gods he was still so small. He might look like Dashi but her had definitely inherited her fine bone structure.) She let go of Omi as if his very touch burned and took two steps back from the boy in shock as her eyes darted back and forth wildly as if startled.
Eventually her eyes locked with Dojo's for a moment before she took flight without so much as a goodbye, cursing herself for her momentary lack of control. She didn't regret saving her son, of course, but she never should have said that to him.
As she flew off into the rapidly darkening skies of early dusk, Dojo looked from where the Heylin witch took flight, to Omi, and back for several seconds before his own eyes widened in shock. "No. It couldn't be. That's impossible," Dojo muttered to himself.
"What is impossible, Dojo?" Omi asked as he stepped closer to the dragon.
That question was enough to shake the resident Shen Gong Wu detector out of his reverie for a moment as he responded, "Nothing kid. Just something I need to think about. Now c'mon, let's get out of here," Dojo suggested he took his larger form to act as transportation for the group. The dragon didn't even hear the exclmations of relief that Omi was safe that the others offered as the quartet climbed on his back and he made his way back to ward the temple.
No, Dojo's mind was filled with a combination of old memories and new ideas that would need to be gone over with Master Fung and Guan as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, on Dojo's back, a certain bald-headed boy was wondering why he felt so safe and warm in the arms of one of his worst enemies. Surely Master Dashi would not approve of being in Wuya's embrace no matter how attractive comfortable it felt. Right?
She still wouldn't think she would measure up. Kimiko is no Chase Young, after all. 
In all fairness though, with the exception of Omi (and just a bit with Raimundo since he did free her the first time), she thinks the other Dragon Warriors are pale shadows of her generation's versions and could care less about them.
Her animosity toward Kimiko is half woman to woman cattiness and half protective mother since Omi has (in her mind at least) shown unrequited interest in the girl. Given how things soured with Dashi, her son pining away for the girl on the team leaves a bitter taste in her mouth as it forces her to think about her lost lover.
The sad part here is that as I've implied it, Dashi never fully gave up on her. If she had repented and came home he would have taken her back with open arms even when his friends had given up on her. Locking her away was the best way he could think of to stop her without killing her. She sees betrayal, Dashi saw a chance for her to still be redeemed some day.
Of course even if Wuya ever learned Dashi's motivations I'm not sure she'd take it well. She's not one to suffer changes to her world view lightly.
This also brings up the question of what state Dashi himself is in? His soul was sealed in the second puzzle box that was given to Omi before he froze himself. Or at least part of it was since Dashi was there to deliver a nice Bruce Campbell line about Wuya getting ugly before she was sealed in the second puzzle box. Is he still roaming around as a spirit? Would it be possible to restore him to a living body the way that Wuya was restored? How would Wuya and Omi react to Dashi being brought fully back into their lives?
In all fairness though, with the exception of Omi (and just a bit with Raimundo since he did free her the first time), she thinks the other Dragon Warriors are pale shadows of her generation's versions and could care less about them.
Her animosity toward Kimiko is half woman to woman cattiness and half protective mother since Omi has (in her mind at least) shown unrequited interest in the girl. Given how things soured with Dashi, her son pining away for the girl on the team leaves a bitter taste in her mouth as it forces her to think about her lost lover.
The sad part here is that as I've implied it, Dashi never fully gave up on her. If she had repented and came home he would have taken her back with open arms even when his friends had given up on her. Locking her away was the best way he could think of to stop her without killing her. She sees betrayal, Dashi saw a chance for her to still be redeemed some day.
Of course even if Wuya ever learned Dashi's motivations I'm not sure she'd take it well. She's not one to suffer changes to her world view lightly.
This also brings up the question of what state Dashi himself is in? His soul was sealed in the second puzzle box that was given to Omi before he froze himself. Or at least part of it was since Dashi was there to deliver a nice Bruce Campbell line about Wuya getting ugly before she was sealed in the second puzzle box. Is he still roaming around as a spirit? Would it be possible to restore him to a living body the way that Wuya was restored? How would Wuya and Omi react to Dashi being brought fully back into their lives?
DhampyrX2 said:
She still wouldn't think she would measure up. Kimiko is no Chase Young, after all.
In all fairness though, with the exception of Omi (and just a bit with Raimundo since he did free her the first time), she thinks the other Dragon Warriors are pale shadows of her generation's versions and could care less about them.
Her animosity toward Kimiko is half woman to woman cattiness and half protective mother since Omi has (in her mind at least) shown unrequited interest in the girl. Given how things soured with Dashi, her son pining away for the girl on the team leaves a bitter taste in her mouth as it forces her to think about her lost lover.
The sad part here is that as I've implied it, Dashi never fully gave up on her. If she had repented and came home he would have taken her back with open arms even when his friends had given up on her. Locking her away was the best way he could think of to stop her without killing her. She sees betrayal, Dashi saw a chance for her to still be redeemed some day.
Of course even if Wuya ever learned Dashi's motivations I'm not sure she'd take it well. She's not one to suffer changes to her world view lightly.
This also brings up the question of what state Dashi himself is in? His soul was sealed in the second puzzle box that was given to Omi before he froze himself. Or at least part of it was since Dashi was there to deliver a nice Bruce Campbell line about Wuya getting ugly before she was sealed in the second puzzle box. Is he still roaming around as a spirit? Would it be possible to restore him to a living body the way that Wuya was restored? How would Wuya and Omi react to Dashi being brought fully back into their lives?
In all fairness though, with the exception of Omi (and just a bit with Raimundo since he did free her the first time), she thinks the other Dragon Warriors are pale shadows of her generation's versions and could care less about them.
Her animosity toward Kimiko is half woman to woman cattiness and half protective mother since Omi has (in her mind at least) shown unrequited interest in the girl. Given how things soured with Dashi, her son pining away for the girl on the team leaves a bitter taste in her mouth as it forces her to think about her lost lover.
The sad part here is that as I've implied it, Dashi never fully gave up on her. If she had repented and came home he would have taken her back with open arms even when his friends had given up on her. Locking her away was the best way he could think of to stop her without killing her. She sees betrayal, Dashi saw a chance for her to still be redeemed some day.
Of course even if Wuya ever learned Dashi's motivations I'm not sure she'd take it well. She's not one to suffer changes to her world view lightly.
This also brings up the question of what state Dashi himself is in? His soul was sealed in the second puzzle box that was given to Omi before he froze himself. Or at least part of it was since Dashi was there to deliver a nice Bruce Campbell line about Wuya getting ugly before she was sealed in the second puzzle box. Is he still roaming around as a spirit? Would it be possible to restore him to a living body the way that Wuya was restored? How would Wuya and Omi react to Dashi being brought fully back into their lives?
And I think if Dashi was around, he would have popped up at least sometime when Wuya was released, or when she took over the world at full power.
Seems a little too conveniet for her to say that. I'd figure she would snap out of it when Omi asked why she saved him, or at least not make it so clear. A revelation like this needs to be streached out so we can savor the awkwardness of them trying to puzzle out Wuya's motives and coming to many weird and controdictory conclusions.
Kimi: She likes him, like like likes him...
Rai: No no she's obviously trying to recruit the little guy, show a little affection maybe a little leg...
Kimi: She likes him, like like likes him...
Rai: No no she's obviously trying to recruit the little guy, show a little affection maybe a little leg...
Clay: Or maybe she liked Grand Master Dashi, the lil' cowpoke does sorta look like him. Wuya could have had unrequited feeling for Dashi that she expressed in sum' very negative ways way back when, and now she might be seein' sum' likenesses between them and, by <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Transference</a>, is projecting her old emotions for Dashi onto Omi.
Kimiko: :blink:
Raimundo: :wacko:
Clay: Whut, Cowboy can't have an interest in psychology?
Kimiko: :blink:
Raimundo: :wacko:
Clay: Whut, Cowboy can't have an interest in psychology?
Keep in mind that the only one putting it all together is Dojo and he's not about to tell. That's actually pretty close to how the others will interpret what Wuya just did. And somehow I see Kimiko accusing Wuya if trying to make a harem once she starts trying to set him up with girls like Katnappe or Megan Spicer. You have to love feminine outrage and jumping to the wrong conclusions.
He did. He was the one in the second puzzle box, remember?
He did. He was the one in the second puzzle box, remember?