Bleach A Bleach Movie
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I don't think so. They were trying to "modernize" DragonBall and, in my opinion, they wouldn't have that problem with Bleach. It's already set in modern day so the only thing I could see going wrong is actor choice(Well there's story too but I can always hope). If I don't see Hughe Laurie as Urahara though I will be extreemly pissed.
This is very very likely to go horribly wrong. So much so that unless I see evidence to the contrary, like Evolution, I'm not going to bother.
However if it's at least about Pre-Arrancar arc Ichigo, preferably Pre Soul Society Arc Ichigo, being the Ichigo I actually liked, it might prove more interesting than canon at this point. If they kind of shunt aside Rukia I'd also be pleased, but beggars can't be choosers, and I actually preferred her at the start too.
However if it's at least about Pre-Arrancar arc Ichigo, preferably Pre Soul Society Arc Ichigo, being the Ichigo I actually liked, it might prove more interesting than canon at this point. If they kind of shunt aside Rukia I'd also be pleased, but beggars can't be choosers, and I actually preferred her at the start too.
In other words Hollywood is going to splooge all over the faces of the actual Bleach community who knows the difference between what is and what isn't, and going to tell them to accept the fact that they exactly what they did and that they; the audience, can't do a damn thing about it.
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I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist.
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I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist.
Actual article said nothing about what the movie would be like. Stop whining about how they're destroying Bleach and will have bad actors and Jesus isn't coming back until there's real info.
Example: Peter Segal and Michael Ewing appear to be the producers. They both worked on Get Smart, so at least we're not off to a terrible start.
Example: Peter Segal and Michael Ewing appear to be the producers. They both worked on Get Smart, so at least we're not off to a terrible start.
That... That would actually be pretty damn interesting. Particularly if it went with the different 'Soul Societies' for the different areas kind of deal. Because there's no way I'm buying an afterlife for everyone throughout all history is practically purely Japanese. You could throw all kinds of interesting concepts in with that sort of premise, make it fresh, interesting, and with enough leeway and care taken make it not clash too much with canon. So long as they keep the core principles the same, and actually do their homework, it might not be too hard to make it pretty good.
Of course if you go that far, you might as well not make it Bleach at all, since all you're doing is using the name to help sell an otherwise original and rather intriguing concept.
Edit: On Johnny Yong Bosch, isn't he like in his mid 30s at this point? It'd be kinda hard to sell that as a 15 year old. Unless we do FUTURE CANON, in which case people are more likely to get pissed off.
Of course if you go that far, you might as well not make it Bleach at all, since all you're doing is using the name to help sell an otherwise original and rather intriguing concept.
Edit: On Johnny Yong Bosch, isn't he like in his mid 30s at this point? It'd be kinda hard to sell that as a 15 year old. Unless we do FUTURE CANON, in which case people are more likely to get pissed off.
Well my memories of how JYB looks are skewed towards his "Power Ranger" days, so I was unsure of whether or not he could pull off Dawson Casting.
And it would be pretty awesome if they were doing a live action movie in the "Bleach-verse" instead of a Live Action Bleach Movie...
I mean, there is already a problem with being locked in continuity, and it could avoid all the heat they'd get for a sub-par adaptation.
...I wonder if they'd be taking Zanpakuto submissions...
*Ponders if his "Maize" would work...*
And it would be pretty awesome if they were doing a live action movie in the "Bleach-verse" instead of a Live Action Bleach Movie...
I mean, there is already a problem with being locked in continuity, and it could avoid all the heat they'd get for a sub-par adaptation.
...I wonder if they'd be taking Zanpakuto submissions...
*Ponders if his "Maize" would work...*
I don't think fears are unjustified. A constant I have seen in the U.S is that Hollywood just doesn't adapt anime well. And would it kill Hollywood to have more than two decent Asian actors? Would the paradigm shift cause the ground to collapse, the sky to crack, and Uwe Boll to start making good movies?
Hmm...If it would take place in the American/European/anywhere but Japan afterlife...then it isn't really a Bleach Movie, now is it. Just a sort-of-copy of it. Although it would possibly be better than a real Bleach movie for the simple fact that they can't bollocks it up.
I agree though that it is VERY unlikely that our combined afterlife is pretty much medieval-Japan with some high-tech Spirit Machinery tossed in. Admittedly, quite a few Asian cultures develloped before Europe (and let's not talk about America)...but if we are talking about the origins of Early man heaven would have a lot more straw and wooden masks, clay huts and what-nots from the early Africa years. It is our place of origin, after all.
Also, Zanpakuto. I might have a skewed view, but I do believe that Japan gave more value to their Katana than most countries did to their gear. Not that the rest of the world didn't value their gear, but for some reason manga, anime and the internet give me the impression that there is something more going on there. SO what would the European equivallent be?
I agree though that it is VERY unlikely that our combined afterlife is pretty much medieval-Japan with some high-tech Spirit Machinery tossed in. Admittedly, quite a few Asian cultures develloped before Europe (and let's not talk about America)...but if we are talking about the origins of Early man heaven would have a lot more straw and wooden masks, clay huts and what-nots from the early Africa years. It is our place of origin, after all.
Also, Zanpakuto. I might have a skewed view, but I do believe that Japan gave more value to their Katana than most countries did to their gear. Not that the rest of the world didn't value their gear, but for some reason manga, anime and the internet give me the impression that there is something more going on there. SO what would the European equivallent be?
At this point, everything in Bleach suggests/outright states that Seireitei, Hell, and Hueco Mundo is all there is. There isn't even a shred of suggestion that there might be different afterlives for different cultures. I think we can put this to Japanese writing about an afterlife similar to Japan* and move on.
*No different from Westerners writing about a Judeo-Christian deity and very Caucasian angels.
*No different from Westerners writing about a Judeo-Christian deity and very Caucasian angels.
Well I was thinking about this today, and I think I might have come up with something...
It relies on the fact that practically every civilisation has legends involving Psychopomps, beings whose job it is to guild souls to the afterlife, and that these Psychopomps are, in reality, the local equivalents of Bleach's Japanese "Shinigami".
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As a whole, these "Soul Reapers" (For the sake of simplicity) have been doing their job for as long as there has been recorded history, and all have, throughout history, established some kind of "Soul Society" or "City of the Dead" in the "Spirit World".
{Going with the idea that certain regions or populations of a certain size have their own giant city like the one that makes up the whole "Soul Society" in Bleach, and the Earth has a "Spiritual Plane" equivalent that these cities are in.}
{These cities are spread VERY far apart on this "Spirit World" and the whole of Japan is only big enough for one, thus explaining why this has never been addressed in Bleach Canon; As far as its' characters are concerned, the Japanese "Soul Society" is the only one.}
But, the path to becoming a "Soul Reaper" has not always been an easy one...
In the days of yore the process was slow, one had to ether figure out a way train oneself or apprentice underneath an already experienced "Soul Reaper"...
...Which was quickly becoming a problem as the number of humans across the globe started to rise exponentially...
Until the day that a Japanese "Shinigami", Captain-Commander Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genry?sai, established the first school to teach those souls with spiritual power how to use it.
Having codified a standard method of training "Soul Reapers", Captain Yamamoto then did what was thought impossible; He navigated the immense barren wastelands of the "Spirit World" separating the "Soul Societies", spreading his teachings while simultaneously gathering knowledge to take back to his home.
{This is our link to Bleach Canon and easy explanation for why English-speaking characters might use certain Japanese terms like Shikai and Bankai; Since Yamamoto wrote THE book on teaching "Soul Reapers", a lot of his methods and terminology were adopted by other "Soul Societies".}
{It might even make a handy explanation as to why a lot of Hollow terminology is in Spanish; the civilizations to have earliest and most complete records of Hollows were the Latin American ones who were being settled by the Spanish when Yamamoto was traveling.}
Thus, "Soul Reapers" the world over have the legendary Shigekuni 'Wandering Teacher' Yamamoto to thank for bring the "Spirit World" into a new era of prosperity.
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...Soo... yeah...
I know, I know... It's pretty much all fan-wank...
...And my constantly putting terms in quotations is probably annoying...
...But hear me out on this.
There are two ways Hollywood can approach making a film of Canon Bleach...
The first is a 'Faithful Adaptation', where as the movies makers try to stick as close as they can (Though how close is extremely variable) to the original work.
This adaptation would try to appeal to the originals fan base, and critically be consider the more 'Artful' of the two.
But... this is a multiple edged sword...
One, Kubo himself has trouble pleasing his fans with the Manga, so trying to win them over with another incarnation of the story they already know in a new media is a real gamble.
Two, since Bleach is a Japanese work, keeping close to the original Manga will probably make it less accessible to the general viewing public.
Three, since Bleach is a Shonen Manga, it's more flowing style of narrative makes it extremely hard to decide what should be covered in a feature film.
All of these factors make doing a 'Faithful Adaptation' an extremely risky venture for Hollywood since, even if it does go over well with the fans, the film could still be a huge flop in the box office.
The second is the 'Creative Adaptation'... also known as the dreaded 'Americanization', where Hollywood cuts the plot and characterization out of Bleach and past it into a more familiar setting for the American viewing audience.
Now the strong suits of this Adaptation are that it's larger potential viewing audience means it's less likely to disappoint the studio at the box office, and thus more likely to be made with a better budget.
The problem with this though, is that Hollywood is alienating the originals fan base, and has to take a risk on whether or not what they've done is good enough to survive the backlash.
And when all is said and done, this style of movie might not be strong enough to break even without the Originals fans.
So... what is Hollywood to do when both its' options seem to be disasters waiting to happen?
Easy, take a third one.
Ask Kubo if he wouldn't mind using the film to expand the 'Bleach-verse' over to the other side of the Pacific.
And yes, I do mean making the Live Action Movie about 'American' "Soul Reapers"...
Now, don't get the torches and pitchforks just yet...
My reasoning behind this is, besides the obvious fact that it would be easier for Hollywood to make an 'American' based Bleach, is actually quite ingenious...
You see, since American is a 'Melting Pot', it would stand to reason that its' "Soul Reapers" would have cultural background from all over the world...
Thus, setting the Live Action Movie in (North) America would not only allow Kubo to show his American fans what 'Their' "Soul Society" would look like, but also allow for glimpses at what "Soul Reapers" might be like across the globe!
So, instead of the 'Bleach Live Action Movie' being another failure of a Hollywood adaptation (Or worse still, get stuck in developmental hell), we fans get to see a new side of a world we already know, the general populous gets an easier to digest action story about Psychopomps who battle fallen souls with blades, and Kubo gets a new canvas on which to display his character designs without cluttering up the Canon story!
Everybody WINS!!!
But... is it 'Bleach'?
...Well... not really...
But then again, one of the Options might never be considered good enough to be the 'Real Bleach' by the fans... and the other would just be its' dressed up skeleton...
...So... yeah...
And, as for an explanation as to why "Reapers" from different walks of life might carry a sword instead of scythe, I have seen depictions of 'Death' carrying a sword, so it's not too much of a stretch.
Plus, decapitation would probably be the most effective means of fighting Hollows, since they'd probably regenerate from anything less too quickly.
It relies on the fact that practically every civilisation has legends involving Psychopomps, beings whose job it is to guild souls to the afterlife, and that these Psychopomps are, in reality, the local equivalents of Bleach's Japanese "Shinigami".
====================
As a whole, these "Soul Reapers" (For the sake of simplicity) have been doing their job for as long as there has been recorded history, and all have, throughout history, established some kind of "Soul Society" or "City of the Dead" in the "Spirit World".
{Going with the idea that certain regions or populations of a certain size have their own giant city like the one that makes up the whole "Soul Society" in Bleach, and the Earth has a "Spiritual Plane" equivalent that these cities are in.}
{These cities are spread VERY far apart on this "Spirit World" and the whole of Japan is only big enough for one, thus explaining why this has never been addressed in Bleach Canon; As far as its' characters are concerned, the Japanese "Soul Society" is the only one.}
But, the path to becoming a "Soul Reaper" has not always been an easy one...
In the days of yore the process was slow, one had to ether figure out a way train oneself or apprentice underneath an already experienced "Soul Reaper"...
...Which was quickly becoming a problem as the number of humans across the globe started to rise exponentially...
Until the day that a Japanese "Shinigami", Captain-Commander Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genry?sai, established the first school to teach those souls with spiritual power how to use it.
Having codified a standard method of training "Soul Reapers", Captain Yamamoto then did what was thought impossible; He navigated the immense barren wastelands of the "Spirit World" separating the "Soul Societies", spreading his teachings while simultaneously gathering knowledge to take back to his home.
{This is our link to Bleach Canon and easy explanation for why English-speaking characters might use certain Japanese terms like Shikai and Bankai; Since Yamamoto wrote THE book on teaching "Soul Reapers", a lot of his methods and terminology were adopted by other "Soul Societies".}
{It might even make a handy explanation as to why a lot of Hollow terminology is in Spanish; the civilizations to have earliest and most complete records of Hollows were the Latin American ones who were being settled by the Spanish when Yamamoto was traveling.}
Thus, "Soul Reapers" the world over have the legendary Shigekuni 'Wandering Teacher' Yamamoto to thank for bring the "Spirit World" into a new era of prosperity.
========================
...Soo... yeah...
I know, I know... It's pretty much all fan-wank...
...And my constantly putting terms in quotations is probably annoying...
...But hear me out on this.
There are two ways Hollywood can approach making a film of Canon Bleach...
The first is a 'Faithful Adaptation', where as the movies makers try to stick as close as they can (Though how close is extremely variable) to the original work.
This adaptation would try to appeal to the originals fan base, and critically be consider the more 'Artful' of the two.
But... this is a multiple edged sword...
One, Kubo himself has trouble pleasing his fans with the Manga, so trying to win them over with another incarnation of the story they already know in a new media is a real gamble.
Two, since Bleach is a Japanese work, keeping close to the original Manga will probably make it less accessible to the general viewing public.
Three, since Bleach is a Shonen Manga, it's more flowing style of narrative makes it extremely hard to decide what should be covered in a feature film.
All of these factors make doing a 'Faithful Adaptation' an extremely risky venture for Hollywood since, even if it does go over well with the fans, the film could still be a huge flop in the box office.
The second is the 'Creative Adaptation'... also known as the dreaded 'Americanization', where Hollywood cuts the plot and characterization out of Bleach and past it into a more familiar setting for the American viewing audience.
Now the strong suits of this Adaptation are that it's larger potential viewing audience means it's less likely to disappoint the studio at the box office, and thus more likely to be made with a better budget.
The problem with this though, is that Hollywood is alienating the originals fan base, and has to take a risk on whether or not what they've done is good enough to survive the backlash.
And when all is said and done, this style of movie might not be strong enough to break even without the Originals fans.
So... what is Hollywood to do when both its' options seem to be disasters waiting to happen?
Easy, take a third one.
Ask Kubo if he wouldn't mind using the film to expand the 'Bleach-verse' over to the other side of the Pacific.
And yes, I do mean making the Live Action Movie about 'American' "Soul Reapers"...
Now, don't get the torches and pitchforks just yet...
My reasoning behind this is, besides the obvious fact that it would be easier for Hollywood to make an 'American' based Bleach, is actually quite ingenious...
You see, since American is a 'Melting Pot', it would stand to reason that its' "Soul Reapers" would have cultural background from all over the world...
Thus, setting the Live Action Movie in (North) America would not only allow Kubo to show his American fans what 'Their' "Soul Society" would look like, but also allow for glimpses at what "Soul Reapers" might be like across the globe!
So, instead of the 'Bleach Live Action Movie' being another failure of a Hollywood adaptation (Or worse still, get stuck in developmental hell), we fans get to see a new side of a world we already know, the general populous gets an easier to digest action story about Psychopomps who battle fallen souls with blades, and Kubo gets a new canvas on which to display his character designs without cluttering up the Canon story!
Everybody WINS!!!
But... is it 'Bleach'?
...Well... not really...
But then again, one of the Options might never be considered good enough to be the 'Real Bleach' by the fans... and the other would just be its' dressed up skeleton...
...So... yeah...
And, as for an explanation as to why "Reapers" from different walks of life might carry a sword instead of scythe, I have seen depictions of 'Death' carrying a sword, so it's not too much of a stretch.
Plus, decapitation would probably be the most effective means of fighting Hollows, since they'd probably regenerate from anything less too quickly.