Nasuverse A Certain Magical Blade Works?

Dark Schneider

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#1
This story idea wouldn't let me go, so I ground out this little prologue to see if it might have any potential.



One would really think that Emiya Shirou would have learned better by now. The twenty-five year old apprentice magus had been living and studying at the Clocktower with his lovers Tohsaka Rin and Arturia since they had graduated high school. It hadnÆt been easy for him to fit in at the Clocktower, as KiritsuguÆs family name earned him many enemies that his adoptive father had made over the years spent as the Mage Hunter. Still, life had been fairly good, if interrupted by many acts of strange magic and Rin being visited by one of the most feared and respected mages in history, Zeltrech. The wielder of the Second Magic had been full of praise for what he considered RinÆs rather remarkable success at replicating his own work. Which had started Shirou down the path that lead to the current predicament he found himself in.

A pulsating rod of glowing diamond hung in the air in front of him, created by the magic of his reality marble stretched to the fullest limit heÆd used it since the 5th HeavenÆs Feel. HeÆd pushed hard over the years in relative secret to develop the technique left to him by his future self as Archer and had managed to succeed with using it to replicate many weapons and even imperfect copies of Noble Phantasms. He still wasnÆt sure what had made him think this idea was a good idea. HeÆd seen Rin use the object once and its rather unusual sense of humor had turned her into a magical girl straight out of a shoujo anime, but she told him afterwards that it had transferred knowledge and even a little power from an alternate worldÆs version of herself. After all, Ruby had been crafted by Zeltrech and was able to access the Second Magic. Maybe it had been the constant snubbing by the various apprentices as they achieved their own masteries and maybe it had been that niggling bit of inferiority he felt around Rin that had never truly left the back of his mind. Maybe it was just the lure of the potential power he could achieve, since even he was not immune to its lure. Whatever the reason, his attempt to recreate Ruby hung in the air in front of him, pulsing with far more prana that he was sure it should and although his own od was almost completely depleted, the rod just glowed brighter.

Without even realizing he was doing it, ShirouÆs hand stretched out and tentatively touched the recreated object. The lightÆs intensity began to increase exponentially and the young man barely had time to regret his choice before he was blinded by the flash. He suddenly felt as if he were falling, spinning into something and images began to form in his head. He saw every choice he had ever made, every choice that had been made for him replayed in his mindÆs eye. Then the vision shifted to choices he had not made. He saw himself as one of the drained children in the basement of KotomineÆs church feeding Gilgamesh. He saw himself losing an arm to protect Ilya in the forest outside her castle from an odd looking berserker. The images spun faster and he could feel his magic circuits ignite with power and the pain of that flooded through him until he gratefully lapsed into unconsciousness.

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Consciousness slowly returned to the young man known as Emiya Shirou, Servant Archer, Counter Guardian EMIYAà wait where did all that come from? Shirou forced his eyes open, wincing painfully at the light and looked around. He seemed to be in the rear half of a hospital room with the dividing curtain drawn to close him off. The window was letting in light and showing an unfamiliar skyline to the young man as a sudden pain shot through his head. Shirou grabbed his head with both hands, trying to ride out the waves of pain. He could distantly hear footsteps approaching, but the pain was preventing him from concentrating on his environment. It seemed like hours before the pain began to recede into blissful numbness and Shirou finally raised his head to look around again.

ôGood to see youÆre doing better,ö a short frog-like man dressed in a white lab coat said jovially. ôWe werenÆt sure that you would make it back for a while, what with your brain trying to handle an information overload like that.ö

ôWho are you,ö Shirou asked confused. ôYouÆre speaking Japanese, but I was in Englandà and you said information overloadà?ö

ôItÆs not surprising that youÆre confused, young man,ö the frog man said as he pulled a chair from its place by the wall to sit next to ShirouÆs bed. ôIÆll start simple and you can fill in what you can.ö

ôSounds good to me,ö Shirou replied with a weak smile and a sinking feel in his stomach that something was really, really wrong.

ôWell, to start with,ö the man stated, ôthis is Academy City. ItÆs an autonomous research and educational facility designed to train espers and research esper phenomena and how to advance the human psyche. You were found in the middle of a ruined building that had been destroyed in a special anomaly. They brought you here as you were unresponsive and convulsing in fits. Examination revealed that your body was reacting to exposure to extreme amounts of energy and your brain was struggling to process massive amounts of information. Of course, they brought you to me, Meido Gaeshi-sensei, as the finest physician in Academy City. My colleagues have even jokingly referred to me as HeavenÆs Canceller, since my skill is such that I can bring someone back from the brink of death. Now, can you tell me your name, young man?ö

ôItÆs Shirou, Emiya Shirou,ö he replied fuzzily as he tried to think. He hadnÆt been back to Japan for more than a couple of weeks in the last few years, but surely he would have heard of this Academy City, wouldnÆt he?

ôWell, Emiya-kun, itÆs a pleasure to meet you,ö Meido-sensei said with a wide frog-mouthed smile. ôIÆm afraid, though. That your presence here has ruffled quite a few feathers.ö

ôIt has,ö Shirou asked weakly.

ôIndeed it has,ö the doctor continued. ôYou see, all of the students and faculty and staff of Academy City have their genetic map recorded in the central systems for identification purposes and yours isnÆt there. Which presents a quandary, since trespass in Academy City is severely punished. There are ways around this, if youÆre willing. I can input your information into the system and make it look like a system error prevented them from finding your file. You would become just another student in the faceless sea for the rest of the year and then we can see about getting you back to your family.ö

ôStudent? Back to my family,ö Shirou repeated in confusion. ôWhat are you talking about? IÆm twenty-five years old.ö

ôNot according to all of your test results,ö Meido-sensei replied sternly. ôAll tests say that your body is only fifteen years old and your physical growth matches the predicted patterns based on your genetics.ö

ôFifteenàö Shirou muttered as he looked down at himself and noticed the substantial decrease in body mass. The last ten years had added almost a foot in height and a good 20 or so kilos to his mass and now it was all gone.

ôIÆll come back later when youÆve had a chance to go over it,ö the doctor said sympathetically. ôWhatever left you in that state must have been a horrible ordeal and you need some time to think this over. Use the call button when youÆre ready to talk.ö
 

Shadow Zeranion

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#2
Oh boy... Rin is gonna kills Shirou and Arturia won't be far behind her...

Shirou, Shirou, Shirou... Recreating the Kaleidostick of all things? You're just lucky you didn't end up a magical girl.

Anyways, the prologue is enough to get me interested at least. However, there's still too little of the actual story for me to figure out whether or not it will be any good. It certainly has potential, but there just isn't enough yet for me to get more than see that potential.
 

nick012000

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#3
Reality Marble = Esper Powers? They're both giving form to the inner world of the user, after all; it's just that the Espers aren't quite as literal about it.

Academy City might well have just gotten its eighth Level 5. :p
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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#4
Mechanically... I'd tend to think of the esper powers as some kind of spontaneous Crest. Anyway, I think comparing Nasuverse thaumaturgy to whatever the Church does in this setting would be more instructive.

Ha ha ha, I'm imagining Shirou getting shuffled into being Touma's roommate. A guy who can cook in that house, sharing Touma's hyperactive sense of justice? BFF.
 

nick012000

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#5
daniel_gudman said:
Mechanically... I'd tend to think of the esper powers as some kind of spontaneous Crest. Anyway, I think comparing Nasuverse thaumaturgy to whatever the Church does in this setting would be more instructive.
I don't think so; in the Nasuverse, invocations are spoken as a self-hypnotic technique to change the caster; in the Toaruverse, they're spoken to the world to change it directly, as is evidenced by the way Touma's father manages to pull an angel out of Heaven completely by accident by collecting too many occult knick-knacks. If anything, Toaruverse magic is more similar to the High-Speed Divine Words used by Caster.
 

daniel_gudman

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#6
I don't quite understand what you're getting at... "you don't think so"... what are you disagreeing with?
 

nick012000

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#7
daniel_gudman said:
I don't quite understand what you're getting at... "you don't think so"... what are you disagreeing with?
That Nasuverse magic is analogous to the magic used by the assorted Toaruverse churches; it's actually quite different.

Also, on a different topic, I sincerely hope that Shirou calls bullshit on the claims that Index doesn't have enough room in her brain to memorise all the magical tomes she has. Given that he can analyse the molecular structure and history of a weapon with a glance and store it inside his mind, if anyone would be able to contest that, it'd be him, since if there was that sort of limit on human memory, he would already be dead.
 

daniel_gudman

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#8
nick012000 said:
daniel_gudman said:
I don't quite understand what you're getting at... "you don't think so"... what are you disagreeing with?
That Nasuverse magic is analogous to the magic used by the assorted Toaruverse churches; it's actually quite different.
Oh!

Anyway, I think comparing Nasuverse thaumaturgy to whatever the Church does in this setting would be more instructive.
I meant compare-and-contrast, not arbitrate that they're the same.

Also, on a different topic, I sincerely hope that Shirou calls bullshit on the claims that Index doesn't have enough room in her brain to memorise all the magical tomes she has. Given that he can analyse the molecular structure and history of a weapon with a glance and store it inside his mind, if anyone would be able to contest that, it'd be him, since if there was that sort of limit on human memory, he would already be dead.
You know, there are two thoughts this statement puts in my head. One is that Shirou fundamentally stores the data differently. Index has some kinda eidetic thing going on, whereas Shirou mirrors the entire history of an object in another dimension, his inner world. Two is that what Shirou does is better. Even though it would be way less prana-efficient pull 'em out, he could still Trace books. Everything Index does, he could do better.

Considering that... would he become considered an extremely valuable specimen?
 

shioran toushin

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#9
technically Shiro imprints the weapons into his soul. Gudman was looking for a comparsion, not saying they were analogues, and nasuverse magecraft vs this is like comparing Reality Marbles with Marble Phantasms.
 

Prince Charon

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#10
Interesting start.

More soon, please.
 

Garlak

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#11
... Why would Shirou get in trouble for trespassing?

Isn't it more likely that he was kidnapped and brought into Academy City? Then there was a phlebotonium meltdown, people ran away, and Shirou was left behind.

In short, blame it on somebody else.

Now, this would make people take a keen interest in Shirou... but I'm pretty sure that Shirou is going to attract a lot of interest anyway.
 

Dark Schneider

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#12
It's not so much that Shirou's in trouble for trespassing, although Acadmey City has very strict policies o who is allowed into it, it has more to do with the fact that he doesn't exist. There are no records of him anywhere that could be found, which is why something has to be cooked up.

As far as Shirou's ability versus Index's, it's pretty much what you guys have guessed. UBW imprints the information on the blades into Shirou's soul, which is supposedly of infinite capacity according to most theologies. Index's mind, is limited by what the hardware, or meat, of her brain can handle. That doesn't mean that Shirou will agree with the Anglicans about what needs to be done. But that has more to do with the differences between their magic systems. But that's a complicated kettle o fish to dig into right now. Let's just say that Shirou would have no interest in the grimoires in the girl's head, which will shock any other mage.
 

Ryuugi

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#13
daniel_gudman said:
You know, there are two thoughts this statement puts in my head. One is that Shirou fundamentally stores the data differently. Index has some kinda eidetic thing going on, whereas Shirou mirrors the entire history of an object in another dimension, his inner world. Two is that what Shirou does is better. Even though it would be way less prana-efficient pull 'em out, he could still Trace books. Everything Index does, he could do better.

Considering that... would he become considered an extremely valuable specimen?
This is wrong. Shirou can Trace armaments. Specifically, he can trace bladed weapons, but with three or four times the effort he can trace armaments that are not blades, such as shields (though even then, they don't always come out perfectly; Shirou's Rho Aias only had four petals, for example. Though that could just be a prana issue).

However, if it's not an armament, Shirou cannot Trace it at all. This includes books, of course. It also includes things like spells, which Shirou cannot copy, even though they are technically weapons. The things in Index's head are both.

Also, the thing about Index that's special isn't so much her ability to remember all the stuff in those books (though that pretty much makes whoever has that knowledge God), as it's her ability to read those things without driving herself utterly insane and/or dying. Which is generally what happens whenever anyone reads just one.
 

Avider

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#14
Fundamentally:

Shirou's like a specific storage device, with essentially infinite capacity, while Index is more general but more limited in size.

...But given the amount that she can hold, practically, it's not that much of a difference.



Oh and apparently Shirou traced that perfect 7 petals in UBW. Or something...Nasu was being weird when he implied that Archer traced that one, but then some new info got out that, if I remember correctly, says that no he meant Archer traced the other one but Shirou traced that one.

It might have been in the CM3, or not.
 

trevelyan1983

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#15
Avider said:
Oh and apparently Shirou traced that perfect 7 petals in UBW.? Or something...Nasu was being weird when he implied that Archer traced that one, but then some new info got out that, if I remember correctly, says that no he meant Archer traced the other one but Shirou traced that one.

It might have been in the CM3, or not.
Archer tracing Rho Aias to protect Shirou was always a strange idea, to my mind.

Archer pulling it off after hanging around since the previous Gil fight after trying to tank an NP spam, after deploying his Reality Marble, after going without a master for two days, after tracing and invoking a number of NPs in his various fights, as well as his general costs for reinforcement and projection . . .

Shit, Archer can't wipe his ass without using up prana. And to top off that (probably not exhaustive) list, he then takes the time and energy to play nursemaid to Shirou?

No. The entire idea is too convoluted. Shirou traced Rho Aias himself and blocked Gil's swordspam himself. Then he made Gil squeal ONOREONOREONORE for the entirety of their duel.
 

Ryuugi

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#16
Avider said:
Fundamentally:

Shirou's like a specific storage device, with essentially infinite capacity, while Index is more general but more limited in size.

...But given the amount that she can hold, practically, it's not that much of a difference.



Oh and apparently Shirou traced that perfect 7 petals in UBW. Or something...Nasu was being weird when he implied that Archer traced that one, but then some new info got out that, if I remember correctly, says that no he meant Archer traced the other one but Shirou traced that one.

It might have been in the CM3, or not.
I remember that and the confusing wording, but I was thinking of something different. I'm not sure, but...wasn't there a scene after the end of one of the routes where Shirou traces Rho Aias for Rin and it only has four petals or something? Or am I just misremembering?
 
#17
trevelyan1983 said:
Avider said:
Oh and apparently Shirou traced that perfect 7 petals in UBW.á Or something...Nasu was being weird when he implied that Archer traced that one, but then some new info got out that, if I remember correctly, says that no he meant Archer traced the other one but Shirou traced that one.

It might have been in the CM3, or not.
Archer tracing Rho Aias to protect Shirou was always a strange idea, to my mind.

Archer pulling it off after hanging around since the previous Gil fight after trying to tank an NP spam, after deploying his Reality Marble, after going without a master for two days, after tracing and invoking a number of NPs in his various fights, as well as his general costs for reinforcement and projection . . .

Shit, Archer can't wipe his ass without using up prana. And to top off that (probably not exhaustive) list, he then takes the time and energy to play nursemaid to Shirou?

No. The entire idea is too convoluted.
Maybe Archer is just that epic?
 

Avider

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#18
Ryuugi said:
Avider said:
Fundamentally:

Shirou's like a specific storage device, with essentially infinite capacity, while Index is more general but more limited in size.

...But given the amount that she can hold, practically, it's not that much of a difference.



Oh and apparently Shirou traced that perfect 7 petals in UBW.? Or something...Nasu was being weird when he implied that Archer traced that one, but then some new info got out that, if I remember correctly, says that no he meant Archer traced the other one but Shirou traced that one.

It might have been in the CM3, or not.
I remember that and the confusing wording, but I was thinking of something different. I'm not sure, but...wasn't there a scene after the end of one of the routes where Shirou traces Rho Aias for Rin and it only has four petals or something? Or am I just misremembering?
That's HF with Rider.
 

Dark Schneider

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#19
Here's the rest of the prologue. I'll post the first chapter in the previews section when I get enough of it together.



Shirou sat there numb after the doctor had left, trying to wrap his mind around what was going on. His mind had been spinning through everything the doctor had said and he needed to change that. If his life had taught him anything, it was that he needed to be in control of the situation and not controlled by it.

The first thing was to check out the changes. His body had regressed to his fifteen year old state, which he found ironic since that was almost the same state he had been in during the Grail War. Shirou pulled the collar of his hospital gown down to see the old and unfaded red scar from the wound Gae Bolg still on his chest. Most of the other scars he had accrued over the years were gone, except the rather large one that ran around his left shoulder. It almost looked like someone had attached a different arm there, but that couldnÆt be possible... Shirou felt a throb of pain in his head as an image of his arm laying bloody on the ground at the feet of an oddly dark Berserker flashed into his head. Somehow he knew that Ilya had been behind him, clinging to his back and trembling in fear.

What happened to me, the magus wondered as he craned his neck to stare at this new scar. He know that didnÆt happen to him, but the memories were as strong as any other that he had from the Grail War. He absently checked out the rest of his body and despite loss of muscle mass and height, there were no obvious changes other than the IV inserted into the back of his right hand.

Shirou forced his breathing to even out as he realized heÆd been starting to feel the edges of panic. All right, he thought carefully, this is all because I had the stupid idea to try and recreate ZeltrechÆs damn Kaleidostick. I thought that maybe I could tap into that Prism Trance Rin mentioned and gain some insight from another version of myselfà.It suddenly struck Shirou like one of RinÆs smackÆs to the head what had happened. I tried to recreate the Second Magic, he thought numbly. Of course it went horribly wrong. None of my recreations are as strong as the originals, and the weakness must have been enough that I created some kind of dimensional instability centered on myself...

Shirou felt the blood drain from his face as he tried to contemplate the consequences of his little experiment. I canÆt believe that IÆm still alive, much less in one piece, he realized. If the magic went wrong like I suspect, then the dimensional compression would have been forced to push me into a void, a place where I donÆt exist. That would explain why Meido-sensei said that I didnÆt exist in any of their records. If thatÆs all true, then IÆm well and truly stuck, since I donÆt think recreating the Kaleidostick ever again is a good idea even if I didnÆt do any permanent damage to my magic circuitsà

Shirou eyes widened and he quickly pulled his scattered thoughts together, drawing out his od along his magic circuits as carefully as possible. If they were damaged too much power would only make things worse, but he had to know what he would be left with of his 27 mostly functional circuits to work with. The power resonated inside him much more smoothly and pleasantly than it ever had, which made ShirouÆs mind almost shut down in shock as he realized what he had just determined. Looks like IÆll need to talk about a place to stay and such for a while with Meido-sensei, he thought numbly as he tried to deal with the undeniable fact that he was no longer sensing his normal 27 magic circuits. If what he was feeling was correct, he now had 108 fully formed magic circuits that had formed into a Crest.

The spontaneous generation of a Crest wasnÆt the only problem Shirou considered as he pressed the call button on his bed. It was that the amount of prana the Crest channeled from his od was several times more than it had been. This much power would overwhelm anything he tried to do. If he ever wanted to use magic again, or even try to figure out how to return home, he needed a safe place to live and practice. As the frog-faced doctor came around the edge of the curtain, Shirou could only dread what would be asked in return for getting him situated in this place called Academy City
 
#20
IIRC shiro traced a 4-7 petal Rho Aius perfectly and when Gil used Ea either:
a) Archer traced a shield to reduce the impact
b ) Shiro's Rho Aius was that potent
c)Gil was being overconfidadnt and reduced the input of Ea
d) Avalon saved him
I'm not sure of what happened there for Shiro to survive a hit from Ea.
 

Avider

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#21
So, Shirou has like, 4 different Shirous in him?

:snigger:
 

the DragonBard

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#22
I'm liking this, though I'm not an expert in the Nasuverse, and still need to get around to reading the TAMnI novels.
 

Prince Charon

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#23
Interesting. Very much so.

More soon, please.
 

Muramasa

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#24
The shift from a 3rd person POV to first person thoughts is a bit jarring. You might want to clean that up a bit.
 

zeebee1

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#25
Shirou is an anomaly. He doesn't call Heaven Canceler the Frog Faced Doctor.
 
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