Nasuverse A Certain Magical Blade Works?
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Erm, what?
Fragarach works by preventing Gae Bolg from being fired in the first place, ergo negating the cause. If that can't stop it, then Touma doesn't stand a chance.
Once it has fired, the spear has already hit. There is no way to prevent that. It might well be destroyed in the process, but he's still going to have a hole in his chest.
Fragarach works by preventing Gae Bolg from being fired in the first place, ergo negating the cause. If that can't stop it, then Touma doesn't stand a chance.
Once it has fired, the spear has already hit. There is no way to prevent that. It might well be destroyed in the process, but he's still going to have a hole in his chest.
So, to resume.
Even if erased by Imagine Breaker, Gae Bolg will deal a lethal blow to Touma. Because, seeing as Imagine Breaker erases magic and ESP by touch, Gae Bolg will have to be within arm's reach (aka already through his heart) to be erased and Imagine Breaker cannot erase the stab wound straight through the heart left by Gae Bolg! Because it's a physical effect of having a spear shoved through your heart, no matter how magical said spear is. Correct?
Are we done repeating ourselves and demolishing whatever bullshit interpretation of Imagine Breaker some people were trying to promote?
Even if erased by Imagine Breaker, Gae Bolg will deal a lethal blow to Touma. Because, seeing as Imagine Breaker erases magic and ESP by touch, Gae Bolg will have to be within arm's reach (aka already through his heart) to be erased and Imagine Breaker cannot erase the stab wound straight through the heart left by Gae Bolg! Because it's a physical effect of having a spear shoved through your heart, no matter how magical said spear is. Correct?
Are we done repeating ourselves and demolishing whatever bullshit interpretation of Imagine Breaker some people were trying to promote?
Personally, I don't see why Shirou would need Gae Bolg for Touma.
He literally could win that fight with just about anything.
Shirou: Fought against the greatest heroes of every age, and may or may not have recieved training from KING MOTHER FUCKING ARTHUR.
Touma: Used to get into a lot of street fight's, has recently started fighting people who can barely fight worth a shit once he Imagine Breaker's their powers, except Accelerator, who apparently learned... I dunno, boxing or something for no damn reason.
He literally could win that fight with just about anything.
Shirou: Fought against the greatest heroes of every age, and may or may not have recieved training from KING MOTHER FUCKING ARTHUR.
Touma: Used to get into a lot of street fight's, has recently started fighting people who can barely fight worth a shit once he Imagine Breaker's their powers, except Accelerator, who apparently learned... I dunno, boxing or something for no damn reason.
People keep misunderstanding Touma's power. His real ability is to make people less awesome then him. He used to be able to defeat the Accelerator, because as a awesome Villain he had awesome to dispose of and displace. Since then, Accelerator has evolved into a Mary Sue. Mary Sue's aren't awesome, so Touma can no longer beat him - his victory is no longer predicated on being awesome.
now all that is left to discuss is who are the other 3 Shirous
my theory is one from each one of the routes + either MoS Shirou or H/A Shirou
For me the potential goes like this:
Fate!Shirou: the one most likely to reproduce a miracle(or something like it) because he of all shirous embodies the ideal of being a Hero of Justice
UBW!Shiro: the one closer to being a comlplete master of his reality marble (or at least the one to master it sooner) and the one with most experience in battling beings beyond mortal ken.
HF!Shirou: the one closest to reality and one of the most dangerous if you threaten anything under his protection.
MoS!Shiro: the most dangerous and deadly out of them because he embodies the spirit of a Counter Guardian and he will do anything and go trought anything to ensure 'peace' and 'justice' are met, even if he has to kill his heart to do it. (and a MoS!Shirou would be the most difficult for this amalgamation to assimilate and theintegrate to create an stable UBW because de radically diference in viewpoints compared to the other Shirous)
H/A!Shirou: he was partially merged with Avenger so it, like Fate!Shiro, share a deeper connection and understandig of all the evils in the world.
at least those are my opinions.
Edited a few spelling errors juayderito style.
my theory is one from each one of the routes + either MoS Shirou or H/A Shirou
For me the potential goes like this:
Fate!Shirou: the one most likely to reproduce a miracle(or something like it) because he of all shirous embodies the ideal of being a Hero of Justice
UBW!Shiro: the one closer to being a comlplete master of his reality marble (or at least the one to master it sooner) and the one with most experience in battling beings beyond mortal ken.
HF!Shirou: the one closest to reality and one of the most dangerous if you threaten anything under his protection.
MoS!Shiro: the most dangerous and deadly out of them because he embodies the spirit of a Counter Guardian and he will do anything and go trought anything to ensure 'peace' and 'justice' are met, even if he has to kill his heart to do it. (and a MoS!Shirou would be the most difficult for this amalgamation to assimilate and theintegrate to create an stable UBW because de radically diference in viewpoints compared to the other Shirous)
H/A!Shirou: he was partially merged with Avenger so it, like Fate!Shiro, share a deeper connection and understandig of all the evils in the world.
at least those are my opinions.
Edited a few spelling errors juayderito style.
so far we have UBW!Good ending and HF!IDK what ending, that leaves the other 2 spots frot the 4 'dominant' Shirous + anything else he got from his kaleidoscopic journey, we can suppose that one of them is Fate!Shirou(who can somewhat use and trace Avalon) and the last spot has at least 2 likely options, but honestly i can't infere anything more than my above theory.
mmm maybe, but really he is just as a wild card as the other 2 because as of now there is nothing that could clue us to Archer's involvement like the Shroud of St. Martin, the tanness or lighter hair, but then as Archer is a Future version of Shirou (a version which IMHO is a mix between Fate and UBW) it wouldn't count as a 'Dominant' personality more like added memories brough to you by Kaleidostick productions
Well, first of all, unless Dark Schneider is pulling an epic Bait and Switch on us, one of the Shirous is Heaven's Feel Shirou. Because in the second chapter he notes that it looks like he almost has an entirely different left arm. It's not Archer's arm, or else the bronze skin would be immediately obvious, but it probably looks like he had his arm amputated and re-attached I think. Furthermore, he then gets a flashback: "Shirou felt a throb of pain in his head as an image of his arm laying bloody on the ground at the feet of an oddly dark Berserker flashed into his head. Somehow he knew that Ilya had been behind him, clinging to his back and trembling in fear."
That's definitely Heaven's Feel Shirou. The only oddity is that, like I mentioned, the left arm looks normal.
Now, obviously, we are thinking of the three route Shirous and Hollow Ataraxia. Because durr. It's natural to think of those first as a starting point when thinking of Alternate Realities.
But let's look at what has been explicitly mentioned: "He saw himself as one of the drained children in the basement of KotomineÆs church feeding Gilgamesh." Well. Hrmm. This one doesn't really offer us much of anything... Unless it's part of some kind of original character Shirou who ends up escaping or something... but this guy probably didn't even (briefly) meet Kiritsugu. Oh well. Next.
"Consciousness slowly returned to the young man known as Emiya Shirou, Servant Archer, Counter Guardian EMIYAà"
Hoo boy... Okay, Servant Archer and Counter Guardian EMIYA are.. well they're either just two different titles for the same "persona" or two entirely different "persona." I'm going with the idea that there's only Archer version of Shirou here--but even if so... WHICH Archer? His original UBW Archer? Is it an Archer with the three experiences of Fate, UBW, and Heaven's Feel? Hehe, that would make it more of an ARCHER, huh? :rofl:
However... do we want to assume that Shirou is only the amalgam of 4 versions of Shirou? Hrrmmm.. apparently he only has 108 circuits, suggesting that "only four Shirous" truly... stuck and made an impression... But the passage "He saw every choice he had ever made, every choice that had been made for him replayed in his mindÆs eye. Then the vision shifted to choices he had not made." could imply that he saw into infinity, and Oh My God, It Was Full Of Shirous.
Hmm... How much of that stuck? Maybe the near-infinite variations are handled like Archer's memories of being used as a Counter Guardian: it's only something that he has been informed of... Did he SEE every possibility, or LIVE every possibility? It could be that all the extras affected him only as much as a playthrough of the Visual Novel Fate/Stay Night: granted, every bit of life is covered, but there's a certain disconnect...
Well, whatever... My going theory is that UBW Shirou is the "core," there are prrrrooobably three Shirous that made the strongest influence on him--drawn from the Fate, Heaven's Feel, Hollow Ataraxia, and Archer possibilities--and at the least he is aware of all the Bad Ends in Fate/Stay Night*.
*This probably would lead to Shirou going "Haha, oh wow... My life was structured such that some "reasonable" options might have resulted in a horrible fate? Jesus Christ. It's hard to take Archer and Rin's rejection of naive idealism and views on pragmatism and cynicism seriously now. "Drown on your ideals and die!" sounds much more hollow when confronted with the reality that sometimes you just have to rush ahead with suicidal recklessness like Kamina.
Seriously, what does practicality and pragmatism in rejection of idealism mean in a world where the former could get you into more trouble?"
*Beat*
"And who the hell is Kamina and how do I know that name?"
That's definitely Heaven's Feel Shirou. The only oddity is that, like I mentioned, the left arm looks normal.
Now, obviously, we are thinking of the three route Shirous and Hollow Ataraxia. Because durr. It's natural to think of those first as a starting point when thinking of Alternate Realities.
But let's look at what has been explicitly mentioned: "He saw himself as one of the drained children in the basement of KotomineÆs church feeding Gilgamesh." Well. Hrmm. This one doesn't really offer us much of anything... Unless it's part of some kind of original character Shirou who ends up escaping or something... but this guy probably didn't even (briefly) meet Kiritsugu. Oh well. Next.
"Consciousness slowly returned to the young man known as Emiya Shirou, Servant Archer, Counter Guardian EMIYAà"
Hoo boy... Okay, Servant Archer and Counter Guardian EMIYA are.. well they're either just two different titles for the same "persona" or two entirely different "persona." I'm going with the idea that there's only Archer version of Shirou here--but even if so... WHICH Archer? His original UBW Archer? Is it an Archer with the three experiences of Fate, UBW, and Heaven's Feel? Hehe, that would make it more of an ARCHER, huh? :rofl:
However... do we want to assume that Shirou is only the amalgam of 4 versions of Shirou? Hrrmmm.. apparently he only has 108 circuits, suggesting that "only four Shirous" truly... stuck and made an impression... But the passage "He saw every choice he had ever made, every choice that had been made for him replayed in his mindÆs eye. Then the vision shifted to choices he had not made." could imply that he saw into infinity, and Oh My God, It Was Full Of Shirous.
Hmm... How much of that stuck? Maybe the near-infinite variations are handled like Archer's memories of being used as a Counter Guardian: it's only something that he has been informed of... Did he SEE every possibility, or LIVE every possibility? It could be that all the extras affected him only as much as a playthrough of the Visual Novel Fate/Stay Night: granted, every bit of life is covered, but there's a certain disconnect...
Well, whatever... My going theory is that UBW Shirou is the "core," there are prrrrooobably three Shirous that made the strongest influence on him--drawn from the Fate, Heaven's Feel, Hollow Ataraxia, and Archer possibilities--and at the least he is aware of all the Bad Ends in Fate/Stay Night*.
*This probably would lead to Shirou going "Haha, oh wow... My life was structured such that some "reasonable" options might have resulted in a horrible fate? Jesus Christ. It's hard to take Archer and Rin's rejection of naive idealism and views on pragmatism and cynicism seriously now. "Drown on your ideals and die!" sounds much more hollow when confronted with the reality that sometimes you just have to rush ahead with suicidal recklessness like Kamina.
Seriously, what does practicality and pragmatism in rejection of idealism mean in a world where the former could get you into more trouble?"
*Beat*
"And who the hell is Kamina and how do I know that name?"
HF!Shiro and UBW!Shiro are confirmed, and i honestly dont count Servant Archer because he is the furure version of 80%(at least) of all Shirous wether he be a CG or not, and frankly the CG EMIYA that we see in F/SN is a future of the Fate route, i think that the 4 'core' shirous are the ones most 'compatible' physically and somewhat mentally , because if there is a MoS!Shiro in the 4 core i don't think he can merge as easily as the others. and he saw and 'experienced' all of his possible choices, basically He is all Emiya Shirou coule ever be.
so there are 4 core Shirous, each one bringing something Unique to the essence, and the memories and experiences of a CG in the service of Ayala plus his stints as Servant Archer makes him into an Epic GAR.
so there are 4 core Shirous, each one bringing something Unique to the essence, and the memories and experiences of a CG in the service of Ayala plus his stints as Servant Archer makes him into an Epic GAR.