Adventure Time

Ordo

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#26
Masterly said:
Ordo said:
Yeah...but in that Graybles episode she tortured a cow to get cheese, fused a sentient lifeform with a ballon to make a tomatoe, and then put on a Witches hat to create bread....I'm just saying, PB's starting to worry me.
It's all for the sake of science.

Would you impede progress so?
science does not need to resort to barbarism/cruelty to advance.

I've said it before, but give Marceline time. She seems to hold the most benevolent interest in Finn, and she's not getting any older. Finn OTOH is getting older, which means he's getting closer to Marceline's physical age.
Marceline is falling into the 'Big Sister' role from what I can tell. Finn's her dweeby little brother that she loves, but not in that way.
 

whitewhiskey

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#27
DhampyrX2 said:
I've said it before, but give Marceline time.? She seems to hold the most benevolent interest in Finn, and she's not getting any older.? Finn OTOH is getting older, which means he's getting closer to Marceline's physical age.
I think Finn being a mortal may still be a problem.

DhampyrX2 said:
And yes, PB seems to be getting progressively more unstable.? I've seen things where people theorized that she was a mutated Betty that went just as nuts as Simon/Ice King but in a different way.? Granted, the fact that she has talked about her candy ancestors makes that unlikely, but there's nothing saying she might be off in her own way.? Between her being possessed by the Lich and the episode where she had Finn and Jake lock up Ice King for no reason, I've always had some reservations about her.
Her talk about her 'Candy Ancestors' could be a sign of her own psychosis, or she might be more stable and just take on a new identity every so often. And the only ones who know is Peppermint Butler, who has secrets of his own (He freakin' knows DEATH!), and Marceline, which explains PB's friction with her.

Ordo said:
Does anybody else think this would make for an epic episode? IQ shows up in Ooo and goes after Finn (He seems to be the closest thing to a prince there), and for once one of the princesses has to rescue him, which, after facing others like Susan Strong, PB and Marceline, it comes to an epic fir & ice showdown with Flame Princess!
 

DhampyrX2

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#28
I think Finn being a mortal may still be a problem.
Simon was a mortal human before the crown changed his species to immortal wizard. There's no saying that something in Ooo might not leave Finn just as immortal. Especially with all the mystical weapons he keeps collecting. Heck the "family sword" Jake's dad left for him made out of demon blood might have some kind of effect on him over time.

Her talk about her 'Candy Ancestors' could be a sign of her own psychosis, or she might be more stable and just take on a new identity every so often. And the only ones who know is Peppermint Butler, who has secrets of his own (He freakin' knows DEATH!), and Marceline, which explains PB's friction with her.
Don't get me started on Peppermint Butler. He got creepy as heck when he said he wanted to eat Finn and Jake's flesh as payment for his help.

And if it turns out that PB IS an insane Betty, well I think Ice King could do better. Look how popular he got just by shaving his beard. :)
 

whitewhiskey

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#29
DhampyrX2 said:
Her talk about her 'Candy Ancestors' could be a sign of her own psychosis, or she might be more stable and just take on a new identity every so often. And the only ones who know is Peppermint Butler, who has secrets of his own (He freakin' knows DEATH!), and Marceline, which explains PB's friction with her.
Don't get me started on Peppermint Butler. He got creepy as heck when he said he wanted to eat Finn and Jake's flesh as payment for his help.

And if it turns out that PB IS an insane Betty, well I think Ice King could do better. Look how popular he got just by shaving his beard. :)
Or if Betty actually had become immortal, but forgot her past. I think she'd be...

 

DhampyrX2

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#30
whitewhiskey said:
DhampyrX2 said:
Her talk about her 'Candy Ancestors' could be a sign of her own psychosis, or she might be more stable and just take on a new identity every so often. And the only ones who know is Peppermint Butler, who has secrets of his own (He freakin' knows DEATH!), and Marceline, which explains PB's friction with her.
Don't get me started on Peppermint Butler. He got creepy as heck when he said he wanted to eat Finn and Jake's flesh as payment for his help.

And if it turns out that PB IS an insane Betty, well I think Ice King could do better. Look how popular he got just by shaving his beard. :)
Or if Betty actually had become immortal, but forgot her past. I think she'd be...

Well Simon DID call Betty his princess, so Doctor Princess might be a good choice. She got on fairly well with Ice King despite his psychosis IIRC, too.
 
#31
Ordo said:
Masterly said:
Ordo said:
Yeah...but in that Graybles episode she tortured a cow to get cheese, fused a sentient lifeform with a ballon to make a tomatoe, and then put on a Witches hat to create bread....I'm just saying, PB's starting to worry me.
It's all for the sake of science.

Would you impede progress so?
science does not need to resort to barbarism/cruelty to advance.
Bah, your can't have science without cruelty! That's like trying to make an omelet without using the chicken as a hammer to break the egg for that double chicken goodness! Or like going deepsea fishing and not tying cement to your roommates feet and tossing him overboard with a camera attached so you can see the snuff video. Cruelty is necessary to get that tasty tasty revenge on Carl for eating my breakfast!
 

Ordo

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#32
Did Marcelline just say she no longer wants to hang out with Finn & Jake?

Edit:

All right...so PB was acting rather witchy in 'Dream of Love', I mean sure Tree Trunks was snogging but really....that reaction was over the line.

Now back to Marceline.....her father seems to like her friends so I'm sure teh shippers will be putting them together more often now.
 

DhampyrX2

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#33
Ordo said:
Did Marcelline just say she no longer wants to hang out with Finn & Jake?

Edit:

All right...so PB was acting rather witchy in 'Dream of Love', I mean sure Tree Trunks was snogging but really....that reaction was over the line.

Now back to Marceline.....her father seems to like her friends so I'm sure teh shippers will be putting them together more often now.
I think it was her father liking them that made Marceline say they shouldn't hang out. How much of that is to be contrary to Daddy and how much is just to protect them from his interest is up to interpretation.
 

Masterly

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#34
Ordo said:
Did Marcelline just say she no longer wants to hang out with Finn & Jake?

Edit:

All right...so PB was acting rather witchy in 'Dream of Love', I mean sure Tree Trunks was snogging but really....that reaction was over the line.

Now back to Marceline.....her father seems to like her friends so I'm sure teh shippers will be putting them together more often now.
I think it was just one of those throw-away jokes.
 

DhampyrX2

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#36
Does anybody else think this would make for an epic episode? IQ shows up in Ooo and goes after Finn (He seems to be the closest thing to a prince there), and for once one of the princesses has to rescue him, which, after facing others like Susan Strong, PB and Marceline, it comes to an epic fir & ice showdown with Flame Princess!
T'would be awesome indeed. Although I'd lay good money on Marceline OR Susan taking out IQ in a straight up fight to protect Finn. Still, you have to love a good Tsudere princess stepping up to protect her man.

Of course now I'm picturing the dynamics here of the speculation where Susan is Finn's mom is accurate. Imagine a powerhouse like her that can crush stone easily getting mama-bear protective over Finn. I'd fear for IQ and Flame Princess both.
 

Masterly

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#37
So if PB created a clone using Finn's hair, did she create her concoction by scratch or did she just reuse what she had left over from Goliad?

Stormo is Finn and PBs son?
 

Ordo

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#38
I'm guessing she didn't use her tooth in Stormo....which is why he's a good guy. Goliad's source is PB and as I've implied....I think PB either is evir or going that way.
 

verifiaman

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#39
Ordo said:
I'm guessing she didn't use her tooth in Stormo....which is why he's a good guy. Goliad's source is PB and as I've implied....I think PB either is evir or going that way.
Duh. did you see what that bitch did to lemongrab?
 

Ordo

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#40
At Least Flame Princess and Marceline are up front about their evil, no pretense of being anything other than what they are.

Edit:

I should Clarify

Marceline has lost her moral compass, but is not malicious. She'll screw with you, she'll even hurt people that tick her off, but she's not looking to cause harm.

Flame Princess is callous and/or ignorant of the harm she causes.

Hug Wolf is aggressively affectionate.

PB's a bitch, that screws with Finn's head as much or more than Marceline, has no trouble sacrificing candy people for her expierements, and presents herself (normally) as a kind hearted ruler.

She's MOM from futurama only smarter and more obsessed with SCIENCE!
 

DhampyrX2

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#41
I don't even think Marceline is really evil. She's chaotic neutral at worst.
 

Ordo

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#42
DhampyrX2 said:
I don't even think Marceline is really evil. She's chaotic neutral at worst.
See above clarification.....and I'm not going to use the Alignment chart cause we could sit here for weeks arguing where on THAT scale everyone falls.
 

DhampyrX2

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#43
Other than Finn and some of the most minor of characters, is anyone on Ooo actually good? Even Jake and his dad have shown the occasional creepy tendency toward evil.

Remember when Finn and Jake first met Susan? "We could rule them like gods. Angry gods."

Or the creepy mental patient episode Jake had after Finn broke his legs. Honestly, without Finn there to watch him Jake is as bad as the rest of them.
 

Ordo

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#44
DhampyrX2 said:
Other than Finn and some of the most minor of characters, is anyone on Ooo actually good? Even Jake and his dad have shown the occasional creepy tendency toward evil.

Remember when Finn and Jake first met Susan? "We could rule them like gods. Angry gods."

Or the creepy mental patient episode Jake had after Finn broke his legs. Honestly, without Finn there to watch him Jake is as bad as the rest of them.
Agreed.
 

Masterly

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#45
Actually, I think PB is Lawful Neutral. She's the absolute authority in the Candy Kingdom but because she's inherently a kind person she rules in what she believes is most beneficial to her people. She treads a very fine line with morality but I don't think we've seen her push past the grey area.

And like many mad scientists, she has trouble coping with her own mortality.
 

zerohour

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#46
So, I just saw the bear episode... and I'm really looking forward to the season finale.
 

whitewhiskey

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#47
Masterly said:
Actually, I think PB is Lawful Neutral. She's the absolute authority in the Candy Kingdom but because she's inherently a kind person she rules in what she believes is most beneficial to her people. She treads a very fine line with morality but I don't think we've seen her push past the grey area.

And like many mad scientists, she has trouble coping with her own mortality.
She used a potion to try and bring someone back to life (Who, apparently, she used to date), created zombies that she did cure, but kept parts to experiment on and caused another zombie outbreak.

She puts a Jellyfish and a Balloon in a teleporter, an act that many sci-fi shows say ends only in pain as living and non-living matter are forcibly fused like molecules in a blender and reassembled into a form that must result in a horribly painful but mercifully short life.

She gets cheese not by either buying it or making it like a normal person, but by putting a cow in a centrifuge to make the cheese inside the cow and making the poor thing force a solid out a place that is meant to release liquid, a horror probably more painful than any kidney stone.

She has a butler who not only personally knows death, but seems to crave human flesh as well.

I think she's just as devoid of morals as Marceline, but at least the vampire admits it.

And I just had a thought, if Ooo is a post-apocalyptic Earth, but things like videos and movies have stuck around...

Does that mean that the people of Ooo could be judging us, the pre-Mushroom War people, based on a show like, say, Jersey Shore?

I shudder in sorrow for our people...
 

Ordo

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#48
So, going by the preview to the next episode Finn still has some feelings for PB....poor boy.
 
#49
Ehh... Marceline seems to be Very moral compared to many in the series. She actively hunts down and punes away powerful and dangerous creatures that hide themselves as pretty and harmless (As in her second appearance), and is protective of those who are close to her. The problem is that while she IS inherently a good person, she was also raised under the influence of the lord of chaotic evil himself, and is a MASSIVE troll.

She pranks anyone who looks like a fun target, and wont stop till actual harm is close at hand.

PB on the other hand seems to be someone who is trying hard to be a good person, as best as she can be... but definitely has the traits of a Mad Scientist, and NOBODY who is willing to curb said traits. She's on a slippery slope, but I figure anything that brings direct harm to her people pulls her back a bit (though probably not much).

Jake isn't particularly moral, but he is Finn's bro to the end and Finn has a hero's sense of justice, and if Finn wants it then Jake is there. Family seems to be Jake's highest value.

Flame Princess seems to actually be a really nice gal... but was kept oblivious as to the harm she could do. Evil was a label tacked on as a byword for DANGEROUS. And at the end of the day the thing Finn is most attracted to in all the world seems to be insane danger.

Can't wait till either Finn or FP learn how to do the Flame Runes like the fire cat did for Jake that everyone seems to forget exist. But until then is the comedy inherent in how the one they love most is the one they hurt most (considering the last episode with them together though they seem to be learning to deal with it).
 

burnerx7

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#50
About that spell I believe that it is "fridge brilliance" that everyone forget about it, if Finn learned it, there is nothing to stop him from kiss FP and then Armaggedon
 
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