Naruto Alternate Prisoners
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Cornuthaum said:
kingdragon... "rewriting reality as you see fit" is pretty much what fanfiction writers do 
That was why I was more than amused to find a link to the post-a-reply in your post
That was why I was more than amused to find a link to the post-a-reply in your post
Scroll up and click the link.
A few things to point out to that idea.
One: Cubia is an anti-existence. He is not a phase or part of the cursed wave, as he is the Hidden One. He is an entirely different type of being.
(old games he was the bracelet's anti-existence, in G.U., it was Haseo becoming a key of the twilight by having all of the phase's data/Ovan's use of the Rebirth ability on the world/internet)
Two: The phases have their own AI, as shown in Liminality where Skeith uses Sora's PC as a host body to hunt down and coma people as in Liminality. Also in G.U., the phases take on their own personalities, as When Haseo meets Skeith. Fidhell listed parts of the epitaph of twilight when you beat it in the original games.
In Vol. 1 of G.U. Skeith Talks
Three: All phases can data drain, and Corbenik has his uber nasty Drain Heart.
Also with G.U., Skeith while appearing to be the smallest phase, is the most powerful next to Corbenik, until Skeith reaches its final form and becomes the most powerful phase.
And Aura in G.U. calls Haseo and other epitaph users/Phases this: the Children of Morganna, meaning that even Aura recognises they are their own beings, that were merely spawned from Morganna. After all, Aura was spawned from Morganna as well.
And the Avatars go berserk in G.U. because the user lose themselves to their extreme emotion(Such as Haseo's anger and Yata's emo-ness)
And Macha also has other intelligent forms such as Macha (the humanoid cat from .hack//SIGN) and Mia.
One: Cubia is an anti-existence. He is not a phase or part of the cursed wave, as he is the Hidden One. He is an entirely different type of being.
(old games he was the bracelet's anti-existence, in G.U., it was Haseo becoming a key of the twilight by having all of the phase's data/Ovan's use of the Rebirth ability on the world/internet)
Two: The phases have their own AI, as shown in Liminality where Skeith uses Sora's PC as a host body to hunt down and coma people as in Liminality. Also in G.U., the phases take on their own personalities, as When Haseo meets Skeith. Fidhell listed parts of the epitaph of twilight when you beat it in the original games.
In Vol. 1 of G.U. Skeith Talks
Three: All phases can data drain, and Corbenik has his uber nasty Drain Heart.
Also with G.U., Skeith while appearing to be the smallest phase, is the most powerful next to Corbenik, until Skeith reaches its final form and becomes the most powerful phase.
And Aura in G.U. calls Haseo and other epitaph users/Phases this: the Children of Morganna, meaning that even Aura recognises they are their own beings, that were merely spawned from Morganna. After all, Aura was spawned from Morganna as well.
And the Avatars go berserk in G.U. because the user lose themselves to their extreme emotion(Such as Haseo's anger and Yata's emo-ness)
And Macha also has other intelligent forms such as Macha (the humanoid cat from .hack//SIGN) and Mia.
During one of my daily random browsings of wiki i stumbled upon one of the most perculiar villains in superman. Annoying to no end but possessing insane power:
Mister Mxyztplk
From the "Whatever Happened to the man of tommorrow" storyline. Which coincidentally was one of those "Lets end the series" here kind of things.
Usually the only way to defeat him was to trick him into saying his name backwards. This would send him back to his home dimension for at least three months.
In this particular storyline however, he made himself Superman's ultimate villain. His motivation? Boredom. He was immortal and bored and felt like playing bad guy. He then proceeds to indirectly manipulate the likes of Braniac, Bizzaro, Lex Luthor, and Toyman into exposing Supes' secret identity and purposely offing the people close to him. Then when its finally revealed that Mister Mxyztplk is the source of it all, its revealed his true form is that of a giant hulking being made of purple energy. It takes being split simultaneously between two dimensions to kill him.
His hobby before these events? The ultimate prankster.
So what if instead of being killed by the split he's sent somewhere else? Say somewhere outside Konoha. Odd giant purple energy being appearing outside a city full of ninjas plus his own anger at being defeated and sent to a an unknown dimension leads to him eventually being sealed inside a kid.
Mister Mxyztplk
From the "Whatever Happened to the man of tommorrow" storyline. Which coincidentally was one of those "Lets end the series" here kind of things.
Usually the only way to defeat him was to trick him into saying his name backwards. This would send him back to his home dimension for at least three months.
In this particular storyline however, he made himself Superman's ultimate villain. His motivation? Boredom. He was immortal and bored and felt like playing bad guy. He then proceeds to indirectly manipulate the likes of Braniac, Bizzaro, Lex Luthor, and Toyman into exposing Supes' secret identity and purposely offing the people close to him. Then when its finally revealed that Mister Mxyztplk is the source of it all, its revealed his true form is that of a giant hulking being made of purple energy. It takes being split simultaneously between two dimensions to kill him.
His hobby before these events? The ultimate prankster.
So what if instead of being killed by the split he's sent somewhere else? Say somewhere outside Konoha. Odd giant purple energy being appearing outside a city full of ninjas plus his own anger at being defeated and sent to a an unknown dimension leads to him eventually being sealed inside a kid.
The only plausible beings from D&D that would rampage through Konoha would be the tanar'ri, and even then Yondy's seal wouldn't hold them - they have no souls. They are literally chaotic evil given form; though Naruto trying to stave off the corruption of Demogorgon or Orcus (both of whom are tanar'ri princes and gods) would be interesting to read.
OK, in order:
1) I know Cubia is not a Phase. Aura was very clear about it being something entirely different. However, Cubia is arguably the strongest in the group I outlined, simply because of its characteristics and nature. That's why I chose it as a replacement to Kyuubi. That's all there is to it, really.
2) I am aware that all Phases have their own AI, as well. They, after all, can act on their own. However, they also have a purpose to their actions. With that purpose gone, I'm guessing their actions would become more wantonly destructive, as shown when Haseo loses control of Skeith in G.U..
As for Cubia, as you mentioned, he's the anti-existence. He's quite literally MEANT to destroy and annihilate, although, of course, things are not as simple as that. There's always some hidden meaning to events in The World.
3) Completely forgot about Corbenik's Drain Heart. And while it may just have been luck, when I fought the Phases I never saw them Data Drain, besides Skeith. Which is good, I suppose, especially against Tarvos, who is cheap enough as it is without throwing multiple status effects in the mix...
Regarding Skeith's power level, I am aware that he's easily in the top 3 as far as power goes, as you said. OTOH, Gaara/Shukaku is the only Bijuu who doesn't play instant jobber in the Naruto manga, so I like to think that by making Skeith replace Shukaku, I'm actually giving it credit. :snigger: :snigger:
Thanks for giving feedback, though. Nice to see another .hack fan here...
1) I know Cubia is not a Phase. Aura was very clear about it being something entirely different. However, Cubia is arguably the strongest in the group I outlined, simply because of its characteristics and nature. That's why I chose it as a replacement to Kyuubi. That's all there is to it, really.
2) I am aware that all Phases have their own AI, as well. They, after all, can act on their own. However, they also have a purpose to their actions. With that purpose gone, I'm guessing their actions would become more wantonly destructive, as shown when Haseo loses control of Skeith in G.U..
As for Cubia, as you mentioned, he's the anti-existence. He's quite literally MEANT to destroy and annihilate, although, of course, things are not as simple as that. There's always some hidden meaning to events in The World.
3) Completely forgot about Corbenik's Drain Heart. And while it may just have been luck, when I fought the Phases I never saw them Data Drain, besides Skeith. Which is good, I suppose, especially against Tarvos, who is cheap enough as it is without throwing multiple status effects in the mix...
Regarding Skeith's power level, I am aware that he's easily in the top 3 as far as power goes, as you said. OTOH, Gaara/Shukaku is the only Bijuu who doesn't play instant jobber in the Naruto manga, so I like to think that by making Skeith replace Shukaku, I'm actually giving it credit. :snigger: :snigger:
Thanks for giving feedback, though. Nice to see another .hack fan here...
UNless of course she had a scheme that required her or her avatar to be sealed up in a mortal for set period of time...
For that matter she could just be trying to recreate the Avatar that the Justicer killed in Paul Kids Greyhawk triology (man that Avatar had NO luck.... first being killed via a Massive Hangover, then falling into a portable hole of Holy water....)
For that matter she could just be trying to recreate the Avatar that the Justicer killed in Paul Kids Greyhawk triology (man that Avatar had NO luck.... first being killed via a Massive Hangover, then falling into a portable hole of Holy water....)
Has anyone suggested Grado from the Blue Dragon manga?
In that manga the main character was possesed by a shadow dragon
when he was a newborn, and then was placed in a cage for his entire
childhood so that he couldnt manipulate his shadow.
When he finally gets out he is obsessed with women and groping the
especially attractive or cute ones.
When kyuubi attacked a nara tried to summon a shadow monster and
ended up overloading the summoning, killing himself and unleashing Grado
Grado and kyuubi fight with grado barely winning, but with noone to control
him or send him back he goes on a rampage and ends up sealed in naruto.
In that manga the main character was possesed by a shadow dragon
when he was a newborn, and then was placed in a cage for his entire
childhood so that he couldnt manipulate his shadow.
When he finally gets out he is obsessed with women and groping the
especially attractive or cute ones.
When kyuubi attacked a nara tried to summon a shadow monster and
ended up overloading the summoning, killing himself and unleashing Grado
Grado and kyuubi fight with grado barely winning, but with noone to control
him or send him back he goes on a rampage and ends up sealed in naruto.
Ah. It's just I imported G.U. 2&3 and after G.U., I can't see Cubia being part of it. By existing, he almost causes the world(the real world) to end. All machines go nuts and missles and stuff are activating. He's so big he can be seen taking control of the entire web and could be seen everywhere in The World R:2
And a thought is that since Haseo became a Key of the Twilight by consuming all phase data and creating his Xth Form, isn't he on par with Aura? Well if Aura actually did anything on her own...
And Final Skeith was fighting with this Cubia. It technically was partially futile, until Haseo has himself consumed by Cubia. He fights the core in there, and with the backing of the other 7 users finally destroys it.
And I could see Gaara with Magus. Kuhn used its ability to shield himself, Haseo, and Atoli from an AIDA's attack without going into the avatar form.
And in Vol. 3 Haseo gains the ability to data drain without going into the phase form.
I also could see that An AIDA could take the place of one of them. After all, Sakaki's AIDA was used as an avatar by him. It was on par with Avatar Skeith's second form.
And I could see Ataksuki's goal being to bring forth Cubia by collecting all the phases.
It is nice to see other .hack fans. I will tell you I got through and understood G.U. Vol. 2&3 in Japanese by going on message boards, watching subs on Youtube and guesswork. I plan on getting Vol. 2 when it comes out in the US in about 11 days to understand it even better.
Something that pisses me off is that apparently from the G.U. perfect guide by the creator, Haseo's player was also Sora's player, only with amnesia. thus making Unison non-canon.
And a thought is that since Haseo became a Key of the Twilight by consuming all phase data and creating his Xth Form, isn't he on par with Aura? Well if Aura actually did anything on her own...
And Final Skeith was fighting with this Cubia. It technically was partially futile, until Haseo has himself consumed by Cubia. He fights the core in there, and with the backing of the other 7 users finally destroys it.
And I could see Gaara with Magus. Kuhn used its ability to shield himself, Haseo, and Atoli from an AIDA's attack without going into the avatar form.
And in Vol. 3 Haseo gains the ability to data drain without going into the phase form.
I also could see that An AIDA could take the place of one of them. After all, Sakaki's AIDA was used as an avatar by him. It was on par with Avatar Skeith's second form.
And I could see Ataksuki's goal being to bring forth Cubia by collecting all the phases.
It is nice to see other .hack fans. I will tell you I got through and understood G.U. Vol. 2&3 in Japanese by going on message boards, watching subs on Youtube and guesswork. I plan on getting Vol. 2 when it comes out in the US in about 11 days to understand it even better.
Something that pisses me off is that apparently from the G.U. perfect guide by the creator, Haseo's player was also Sora's player, only with amnesia. thus making Unison non-canon.
Well, Sora was possessed by Skeith for a while (he's the big Celtic Cross-like thing Skeith swings around during the games), so it makes sense that he'd end up being the Skeith avatar. And due to his terroble experience with Skeith, he was one of the few who ended up amnesiac after all was said and done.
Also, just in case you haven't realized it yet - Endrance is obviously Elk.
One more thing - everything up until Aura's awakening was a big nasty plan by Harald, who was essentially playing everyone like fiddles, but he totally did not take into account the possibility of something like AIDA popping up, and he sure as hell didn't expect Ovan to trigger the Corbenik reset a second time, making Cubia go insane and WTFPWN the Net.
Helba was, at first, on Harald's side because that way she could protect her precious Net Slum, but after meeting him in the area that was deleted shortly afterwards, she realized the man was frigging insane, and if she didn't do something, the whole actual world would go up in flames, never mind her Net Slum. So she's now actively fighting the system itself.
At any rate, Akatsuki being after Cubia does make sense. The damn thing is powerful enough that even as simple data, it had catastrophic effects on the real world... controlling it would be a perfect way to cause chaos and take over.
Of course, the fatal flaw - you don't control Cubia. Even Harald hadto program him to specifically lose to Kite - and Cubia actually overwrote that programming, forcing Helba to butt in and fix things.
Also, just in case you haven't realized it yet - Endrance is obviously Elk.
One more thing - everything up until Aura's awakening was a big nasty plan by Harald, who was essentially playing everyone like fiddles, but he totally did not take into account the possibility of something like AIDA popping up, and he sure as hell didn't expect Ovan to trigger the Corbenik reset a second time, making Cubia go insane and WTFPWN the Net.
Helba was, at first, on Harald's side because that way she could protect her precious Net Slum, but after meeting him in the area that was deleted shortly afterwards, she realized the man was frigging insane, and if she didn't do something, the whole actual world would go up in flames, never mind her Net Slum. So she's now actively fighting the system itself.
At any rate, Akatsuki being after Cubia does make sense. The damn thing is powerful enough that even as simple data, it had catastrophic effects on the real world... controlling it would be a perfect way to cause chaos and take over.
Of course, the fatal flaw - you don't control Cubia. Even Harald hadto program him to specifically lose to Kite - and Cubia actually overwrote that programming, forcing Helba to butt in and fix things.
Yep, I remember that from the old games.
Endrance creeps me out though, in Vol. 2 onwards he replaces Mia as his object of obsession with Haseo. And in Vol. 3 is the only male able to be married to Haseo in the little bonus marriage event.
And to be fair AIDA only appeared because Aura ditched her job and hid within Corbenik's data. Following that, a programmer at CC corp tried to make himself God of the World by using the phase data as pillars, but failed miserably. He was driven insane and set fire to the CC corp building.
And Cubia was gone until a new Key of the Twilight was made. Haseo's ascention to being a Key of the Twilight and Ovan's rebirth effect happened at the same time, after Skeith absorbed Corbenik's (the final part) data. Didn't the original rebirth effect happen when Aura ascended to become the Goddess of the world? It seems Haseo's ascention is much of the same IMO.
And Haseo/Skeith's Xth/Final forms are both white.
And in .hack//ROOTS Haseo is sent to his Flick Reaper form by Harold's AI.
And good old Netslums still exist. Zelkova is the person who has guardianship over it now. And until he joins your party, he has max stats, and is seemingly a hacked character with his horns being mentioned as something no one else had.
Another thing is that Zefie was killed off when The World switched became The World: R2. That really sucked.
And Harold wanted only for the Morganna program to create Aura, but Morganna gained self-awareness and Coma/Killed him into the Harolds we see in the chairs.
Everything else onwards was Morganna's/Aura's/CC Corp.'s faults. And Yes, Harold was nuts, a genius programmer, but completely nuts.
Endrance creeps me out though, in Vol. 2 onwards he replaces Mia as his object of obsession with Haseo. And in Vol. 3 is the only male able to be married to Haseo in the little bonus marriage event.
And to be fair AIDA only appeared because Aura ditched her job and hid within Corbenik's data. Following that, a programmer at CC corp tried to make himself God of the World by using the phase data as pillars, but failed miserably. He was driven insane and set fire to the CC corp building.
And Cubia was gone until a new Key of the Twilight was made. Haseo's ascention to being a Key of the Twilight and Ovan's rebirth effect happened at the same time, after Skeith absorbed Corbenik's (the final part) data. Didn't the original rebirth effect happen when Aura ascended to become the Goddess of the world? It seems Haseo's ascention is much of the same IMO.
And Haseo/Skeith's Xth/Final forms are both white.
And in .hack//ROOTS Haseo is sent to his Flick Reaper form by Harold's AI.
And good old Netslums still exist. Zelkova is the person who has guardianship over it now. And until he joins your party, he has max stats, and is seemingly a hacked character with his horns being mentioned as something no one else had.
Another thing is that Zefie was killed off when The World switched became The World: R2. That really sucked.
And Harold wanted only for the Morganna program to create Aura, but Morganna gained self-awareness and Coma/Killed him into the Harolds we see in the chairs.
Everything else onwards was Morganna's/Aura's/CC Corp.'s faults. And Yes, Harold was nuts, a genius programmer, but completely nuts.
Zelkova is allegedly Helba's new character, to clear something up. But one thing has to be made clear: Harold planned EVERYTHING that happened in the games and original series, and is directly responsible for the coma effects - Morganna acted the way she was SUPPOSED to all along, because Aura had to 'die' to be reborn as the Ultimate AI.
In short, he knew he was going to make people's lives miserable, and didn't care. He was that far gone.
On a side note, Zefie wasn't the only one killed off. Mia also was, which is what apparently broke Endrance. And his obsession on Haseo is largely Haseo's fault, because Haseo told him, in a moment when Endrance was at his most unstable, "I need you".
That was enough for him - Elk/Endrance has an absolute need to feel useful and wanted - and when Haseo told him he needed him, that was enough for him. Haseo needing him gave his 'existence' a sense of self worth again.
Elk/Endrance is sort of a tragic character... I genuinely feel sorry for him.
In short, he knew he was going to make people's lives miserable, and didn't care. He was that far gone.
On a side note, Zefie wasn't the only one killed off. Mia also was, which is what apparently broke Endrance. And his obsession on Haseo is largely Haseo's fault, because Haseo told him, in a moment when Endrance was at his most unstable, "I need you".
That was enough for him - Elk/Endrance has an absolute need to feel useful and wanted - and when Haseo told him he needed him, that was enough for him. Haseo needing him gave his 'existence' a sense of self worth again.
Elk/Endrance is sort of a tragic character... I genuinely feel sorry for him.
I do feel pity for Elk/Endrance. He has lost his only friend(Mia), and grasped onto straws, which drew Macha to him and for him to delude himself into thinking AIDA Mia really was Mia.
And yes, Haseo has done some very stupid things.
And while the original games and SIGN were all Harold's plan, everything afterward is directly/indirectly Aura and CC Corp's fault.
And a difference between Zefie and Mia is that Mia was purposely destroyed for Macha data within her. Zefie died because she wasn't apparently black box material, but from my understanding of LotTB manga, she was as Zefie did things that defied System perimeters.
Which leades to my wondering about what Haseo/Skeith are classified as now. With the Rebirth effect, Haseo's spirit/PC were damaged and he ends up talking to Skeith within his own PC, and afterwards comes back as the Xth form/Key of the Twilight.
What I'm wondering, is if what happened to Haseo, his gathering of the 8 phases data and being reborn in Xth Form after the rebirth ability, wasn't all an elaborate plan by Aura to create a new successor with what she could manage.
And Ovan is gone for good right? He was deeply infected by AIDA, became even more infected later, severely damaged himself with the rebirth effect, and uses the last of his power keeping himself together to help Haseo beat Cubia's core.
And another connection is Yata is Wiseman, Kuhn is Seig(sp?), Natsume is Natsume, and Piros the 3rd is Piros. Any other characters I'm missing?
And Zelkova may or may not be Helba we have no real info confirming or denying it.
And yes, Haseo has done some very stupid things.
And while the original games and SIGN were all Harold's plan, everything afterward is directly/indirectly Aura and CC Corp's fault.
And a difference between Zefie and Mia is that Mia was purposely destroyed for Macha data within her. Zefie died because she wasn't apparently black box material, but from my understanding of LotTB manga, she was as Zefie did things that defied System perimeters.
Which leades to my wondering about what Haseo/Skeith are classified as now. With the Rebirth effect, Haseo's spirit/PC were damaged and he ends up talking to Skeith within his own PC, and afterwards comes back as the Xth form/Key of the Twilight.
What I'm wondering, is if what happened to Haseo, his gathering of the 8 phases data and being reborn in Xth Form after the rebirth ability, wasn't all an elaborate plan by Aura to create a new successor with what she could manage.
And Ovan is gone for good right? He was deeply infected by AIDA, became even more infected later, severely damaged himself with the rebirth effect, and uses the last of his power keeping himself together to help Haseo beat Cubia's core.
And another connection is Yata is Wiseman, Kuhn is Seig(sp?), Natsume is Natsume, and Piros the 3rd is Piros. Any other characters I'm missing?
And Zelkova may or may not be Helba we have no real info confirming or denying it.
Since I got back in a Disgaea mood, how about Baal, the Lord of Terror?
Granted, actually managing to SEAL him in the first place would be Hell, unless he was so bored he *allowed* Yondaime to do it. And I doubt that5 if Baal REALLY wanted tio break free, the Shiki Fuuin would do a damn thing.
But just imagine, Naruto with an entity that defined terror, chaos and destruction inside him - one that makes even the Kyuubi whimper in fear...
Bonus points if the rest of the Disgaea gang is drawn there and Naruto gets to flip out and go Baal on Laharl's ass after Laharl mocks him and the Lord of Terror one too many times... :snigger:
Granted, actually managing to SEAL him in the first place would be Hell, unless he was so bored he *allowed* Yondaime to do it. And I doubt that5 if Baal REALLY wanted tio break free, the Shiki Fuuin would do a damn thing.
But just imagine, Naruto with an entity that defined terror, chaos and destruction inside him - one that makes even the Kyuubi whimper in fear...
Bonus points if the rest of the Disgaea gang is drawn there and Naruto gets to flip out and go Baal on Laharl's ass after Laharl mocks him and the Lord of Terror one too many times... :snigger:
Baal? Oh, come on! That's boring!
"I'm a freakin Overlord!"
Yes, that's right. Overlord Zetta! After all, he IS the most Badass Overlord in the whole Cosmos.
Then, you know, you just GOTTA bring in Pram the Oracle. (It's all Nippon Ichi, so it's all in one continuity.)
*Imagines Pram teasing the hell outta Zetta for being an idiot and getting sealed into Naruto.*
"I'm a freakin Overlord!"
Yes, that's right. Overlord Zetta! After all, he IS the most Badass Overlord in the whole Cosmos.
Then, you know, you just GOTTA bring in Pram the Oracle. (It's all Nippon Ichi, so it's all in one continuity.)
*Imagines Pram teasing the hell outta Zetta for being an idiot and getting sealed into Naruto.*