Nasuverse Beast's Lair offline?
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Let me break this down for you, so you can understand how you look to other people.
Step One: Identify reason why person speaking to you is a cunt. Out to get you. Hates your favourite character. Likes Rin. Doesn't let you beat them for sexual pleasure. Is Lawful Good.
Step Two: Swear at fucking asshole troll repeatedly.
Step Three: Claim that behaviour is acceptable, because you were provoked. Fuck the rules, they only apply when you agree with them. I'm the victim here, waah.
Oh, look. They're not really disagreeing with what you do or the rationale you justify it with. They just don't like you. And you don't like them, so the reasonable criticism of your unreasonable actions is ignored. Because fuck them.
What you do is not justifiable, and you can't justify it, so you move the goalposts and talk about the people criticizing your actions. When even the people who do like you (Sieg Altima, Fascist Mod!) think you're out of line, maybe you've finally gone too far once too often.
A little self-control would work wonders.
Step One: Identify reason why person speaking to you is a cunt. Out to get you. Hates your favourite character. Likes Rin. Doesn't let you beat them for sexual pleasure. Is Lawful Good.
Step Two: Swear at fucking asshole troll repeatedly.
Step Three: Claim that behaviour is acceptable, because you were provoked. Fuck the rules, they only apply when you agree with them. I'm the victim here, waah.
Oh, look. They're not really disagreeing with what you do or the rationale you justify it with. They just don't like you. And you don't like them, so the reasonable criticism of your unreasonable actions is ignored. Because fuck them.
What you do is not justifiable, and you can't justify it, so you move the goalposts and talk about the people criticizing your actions. When even the people who do like you (Sieg Altima, Fascist Mod!) think you're out of line, maybe you've finally gone too far once too often.
A little self-control would work wonders.
Mike suffers from rare condition known as Fanboyis Severis.This grave malady prevents all of the more sophisticated cognitive processes of his from working when triggered by certain stimuli that offends the schema he has in his head for Sakura, causing him to lash out in atavistic fury at the offending subject in order to quench the feelings of anxiety and threat the subject in question generates and to safeguard his imaginary construct.
So, I am an asshole now?
You know if DP and Roadbuster would have had their way you would have been banned a long time ago. I stood up for you too, but if you're going to be like this then I'm regretting that. Yeah, did you know that my vote was the one keeping you from getting banned?
Also we served temp bans to other responsible trolling partners as well as warnings. So it wasn't like we were just pin pointing you. (Honestly I wanted to give temp bans to everyone who was flaming the arguments but we have the warning system set up.)
We've been lenient way too long and its time we stand up and enforce the rules we've put into place. To stop the trolls.
Look, we all get provoked, in fact I have seen several posts where you were actively trying to provoke me. But did you provoke me? No.
Because I can ignore things and just let it slide. The worse thing you can do is feed the trolls. Which you do. A lot.
And the friend request was sent BEFORE we decided to do the temp ban, by the way.
If you want to insult me have the balls to say it in my face.
You know if DP and Roadbuster would have had their way you would have been banned a long time ago. I stood up for you too, but if you're going to be like this then I'm regretting that. Yeah, did you know that my vote was the one keeping you from getting banned?
Also we served temp bans to other responsible trolling partners as well as warnings. So it wasn't like we were just pin pointing you. (Honestly I wanted to give temp bans to everyone who was flaming the arguments but we have the warning system set up.)
We've been lenient way too long and its time we stand up and enforce the rules we've put into place. To stop the trolls.
Look, we all get provoked, in fact I have seen several posts where you were actively trying to provoke me. But did you provoke me? No.
Because I can ignore things and just let it slide. The worse thing you can do is feed the trolls. Which you do. A lot.
And the friend request was sent BEFORE we decided to do the temp ban, by the way.
If you want to insult me have the balls to say it in my face.
You know, that's exactly how I feel about you. If you have things to say, then why not say it to me, rather than getting Altima to forward it? Since just talking through him has evidentially not helped one bit here.
But, it's somewhat difficult for me to say it "to your face" when you're not there. Also, I posted that when I was really pissed off, and in hindsight I perhaps shouldn't have. Not that I'm any less pissed at you now than I was before, but Koto is right that posting stuff about "pointy-eared creatures in jackboots" is a bit stupid.
You gave a one-day ban to one of the trolls, and a few warnings. And, yet, you slapped me with a much larger ban. How the hell is that "dealing with the trolls"...?
Well, tell me this, what do you honestly think you've achieved here? I'm now pissed off, totally jaded and have zero trust in the moderation system, the trolls got away with a slap on the wrist and now think "well, if we keep going, then mike is gone" and I now hate you (and seemingly vice-versa). Further, for the next month (or however long your entirely opaque ban-removal process takes) I could get a week-long ban for absolutely anything, so I can't barely even post for fear of getting screwed over even more.
Did you honestly think that banning me (under a new system which you just invented and which (if DP had his way) I'd not have even known existed until after I served my ban) would resolve anything? Or did you just think "well, rules are rules" (even if you only just invented them and hadn't bothered to actually tell anyone yet...) and decide to temporarily discard your brain as people in such situations are prone to do...?
Honestly, this whole situation was a great-big fuck up, from start to finish. You lot fucked up by introducing new rules without bothering to tell anyone about them, Altima fucked up when dealing with me, the trolls fucked up (well, in so far as deliberate trolling is "fucking up") by goading me and I fucked up by biting. But, yet, the only one who is really suffering here is me. Sure, the trolls got a bit of a slap on the wrist, and one even got a short ban (and, it's not like he's not got previous form, he was intentionally trolling me a few days earlier), but everyone else pretty much got away with it, and I end up in the shitty position I'm now in.
Which, honestly, is pretty fucking typical, as far as I can tell. If you have power, you get to wiggle out of your mistakes, if you're not (or, worse, if you challenge those in power, like I tend to), then you get the book thrown at you. DP wanted me banned for longer because, unlike the trolls, I am actually a (potential) threat to his power, and the "order" of the forum (or at least, I try to be), and you went straight for it without bothering to even think, even though it seems to me like you knew damn well that it was a stupid idea. But, hey, rules are more important than doing the right thing, right...?
No, it doesn't work that way. There are four mods, and they need a majority to ban. Altima has (generally) been opposed to banning me, I think, but it was down to the other three. DP has always been an asshole, so hearing that he wanted to ban me for a long time is not at all shocking. RB I don't know very well at all.
And, honestly, the reason I'm so pissed at Elf is precisely because I thought she was actually decent and fair, and would do what was right and not just slavishly follow rules. DP I expected it from, and I hate him already, RB I just have little contact with either way and Altima I know was supportative of me throughout this. Elf, on the other hand, decided to ban me despite knowing it would achieve nothing and knowing the circumstances, and even supposedly sympathising with me. That sort of blind rule-obedience is not something I can forgive easily, if at all.
The fact that she sent me a friend request which I received about ten minutes before hearing she had voted to ban me didn't exactly help, either, although that was apparently just an unlucky co-incidence.
But, it's somewhat difficult for me to say it "to your face" when you're not there. Also, I posted that when I was really pissed off, and in hindsight I perhaps shouldn't have. Not that I'm any less pissed at you now than I was before, but Koto is right that posting stuff about "pointy-eared creatures in jackboots" is a bit stupid.
You gave a one-day ban to one of the trolls, and a few warnings. And, yet, you slapped me with a much larger ban. How the hell is that "dealing with the trolls"...?
Well, tell me this, what do you honestly think you've achieved here? I'm now pissed off, totally jaded and have zero trust in the moderation system, the trolls got away with a slap on the wrist and now think "well, if we keep going, then mike is gone" and I now hate you (and seemingly vice-versa). Further, for the next month (or however long your entirely opaque ban-removal process takes) I could get a week-long ban for absolutely anything, so I can't barely even post for fear of getting screwed over even more.
Did you honestly think that banning me (under a new system which you just invented and which (if DP had his way) I'd not have even known existed until after I served my ban) would resolve anything? Or did you just think "well, rules are rules" (even if you only just invented them and hadn't bothered to actually tell anyone yet...) and decide to temporarily discard your brain as people in such situations are prone to do...?
Honestly, this whole situation was a great-big fuck up, from start to finish. You lot fucked up by introducing new rules without bothering to tell anyone about them, Altima fucked up when dealing with me, the trolls fucked up (well, in so far as deliberate trolling is "fucking up") by goading me and I fucked up by biting. But, yet, the only one who is really suffering here is me. Sure, the trolls got a bit of a slap on the wrist, and one even got a short ban (and, it's not like he's not got previous form, he was intentionally trolling me a few days earlier), but everyone else pretty much got away with it, and I end up in the shitty position I'm now in.
Which, honestly, is pretty fucking typical, as far as I can tell. If you have power, you get to wiggle out of your mistakes, if you're not (or, worse, if you challenge those in power, like I tend to), then you get the book thrown at you. DP wanted me banned for longer because, unlike the trolls, I am actually a (potential) threat to his power, and the "order" of the forum (or at least, I try to be), and you went straight for it without bothering to even think, even though it seems to me like you knew damn well that it was a stupid idea. But, hey, rules are more important than doing the right thing, right...?
No, it doesn't work that way. There are four mods, and they need a majority to ban. Altima has (generally) been opposed to banning me, I think, but it was down to the other three. DP has always been an asshole, so hearing that he wanted to ban me for a long time is not at all shocking. RB I don't know very well at all.
And, honestly, the reason I'm so pissed at Elf is precisely because I thought she was actually decent and fair, and would do what was right and not just slavishly follow rules. DP I expected it from, and I hate him already, RB I just have little contact with either way and Altima I know was supportative of me throughout this. Elf, on the other hand, decided to ban me despite knowing it would achieve nothing and knowing the circumstances, and even supposedly sympathising with me. That sort of blind rule-obedience is not something I can forgive easily, if at all.
The fact that she sent me a friend request which I received about ten minutes before hearing she had voted to ban me didn't exactly help, either, although that was apparently just an unlucky co-incidence.
See, there's a pretty serious disconnect here, Mike. You have been warned, for the past year, that you needed to keep a cooler head. You didn't heed the warning. You got a temporary ban.
Instead of asking, "gee, I got banned, I wonder if that means I went too far?" you get defensive and try to paint yourself as the innocent victim, seeking Justice in the face of deep-seated corruption and villainy.
Want to know why you got banned longer than anyone else? I can take a guess - it's because you refuse to show restraint when provoked, and cannot respond in proportion to the offence. You go from standing still to apoplectic rage in the space of a single post.
You're not special, man. You're not about Justice or whatever. You're a spoiled little brat who finally got slapped on the ass and told to follow the same goddamn rules as the rest of us. The only injustice is that you have a Mod so busy holding your hand that he hasn't had the guts to enforce the rules when you break them.
Instead of asking, "gee, I got banned, I wonder if that means I went too far?" you get defensive and try to paint yourself as the innocent victim, seeking Justice in the face of deep-seated corruption and villainy.
Want to know why you got banned longer than anyone else? I can take a guess - it's because you refuse to show restraint when provoked, and cannot respond in proportion to the offence. You go from standing still to apoplectic rage in the space of a single post.
You're not special, man. You're not about Justice or whatever. You're a spoiled little brat who finally got slapped on the ass and told to follow the same goddamn rules as the rest of us. The only injustice is that you have a Mod so busy holding your hand that he hasn't had the guts to enforce the rules when you break them.
And thus yet another kinky fantasy of Medea was fulfilled by her understanding Master.
Also Mike, upon hearing of your use of word "troll", Inigo Montoya had this to say:
Like trev here and several people in BL thread pointed out, you do appear to have considerable entitlement issues, misplaced paranoia about troll conspiracy out to get you and narcistic notion that somehow you're a special snowflake and deserve privileges that account for that. That kind of orientation isn't healthy and like you may have already noticed, will prove highly maladaptive in most social interactions.
<s>I'd suggest you to work on to overcome these handicaps by learning to accept that not everyone with radically differing views is a troll conspiring against you, lessening the amount of whiteknighting done in the name of *fictional character* and toning your hostility down couple of notches.</s>
Then again, shitstorms and shenaningas caused by your relentless One-man crusade in the name of Purple One are rather entertaining. Carry on.
Also Mike, upon hearing of your use of word "troll", Inigo Montoya had this to say:
Like trev here and several people in BL thread pointed out, you do appear to have considerable entitlement issues, misplaced paranoia about troll conspiracy out to get you and narcistic notion that somehow you're a special snowflake and deserve privileges that account for that. That kind of orientation isn't healthy and like you may have already noticed, will prove highly maladaptive in most social interactions.
<s>I'd suggest you to work on to overcome these handicaps by learning to accept that not everyone with radically differing views is a troll conspiring against you, lessening the amount of whiteknighting done in the name of *fictional character* and toning your hostility down couple of notches.</s>
Then again, shitstorms and shenaningas caused by your relentless One-man crusade in the name of Purple One are rather entertaining. Carry on.
Randomly, one of the test questions that may once have been used in an entrance exam to <a href='https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/All_Souls_College,_Oxford' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>All Souls College, Oxford</a> was "Does the moral character of an orgy change when the participants wear Nazi uniforms?"
Mike, I advise that you try to only post when reasonably calm, or failing that, put post-it notes on the frame of your monitor with the question 'Will what I am about to post give them an excuse to ban me?' and the reminder 'Showing anger online is letting the trolls win.' Its easier for me, I guess, both because I don't anger easily, and because I tend to consider the opinions of idiots, fools (which is not the same thing, as fools can be quite clever, and everyone is foolish, occasionally), and arseholes worthy only of contempt and pity. If you can work your way to feeling that when someone starts trolling you, you'll find it much easier to avoid being banned.
Also, from what Elf said, above, it looks like she voted not to permanently ban you (you'll have to ask her for clarification, but that's what her statement looks like), so that's one thing. Try not to burn your bridges with her.
Mike, I advise that you try to only post when reasonably calm, or failing that, put post-it notes on the frame of your monitor with the question 'Will what I am about to post give them an excuse to ban me?' and the reminder 'Showing anger online is letting the trolls win.' Its easier for me, I guess, both because I don't anger easily, and because I tend to consider the opinions of idiots, fools (which is not the same thing, as fools can be quite clever, and everyone is foolish, occasionally), and arseholes worthy only of contempt and pity. If you can work your way to feeling that when someone starts trolling you, you'll find it much easier to avoid being banned.
Also, from what Elf said, above, it looks like she voted not to permanently ban you (you'll have to ask her for clarification, but that's what her statement looks like), so that's one thing. Try not to burn your bridges with her.
Strangely enough, the same thought came to my mind, although minus the Nazi uniform and with additional very hot arbitrary punishments (and no, Elf, this isn't an attack on you, it's just hot...).
Well, yeah, I have perhaps been a little harsh on Elf here.
I'm still very upset about what she did, but I admit that calling her a "Nazi" is rather unfair of me. I'm not about to just forgive her, but I will apologise for that comment.
Well, yeah, I have perhaps been a little harsh on Elf here.
I'm still very upset about what she did, but I admit that calling her a "Nazi" is rather unfair of me. I'm not about to just forgive her, but I will apologise for that comment.