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Y'know Mike you seem to have a problem with how the mods follow the rules to the letter instead of making exceptions for friends, but is that actually a bad thing?
It works both ways, if I were to troll you, Elf wouldn't be able to go "lol I like Koto so I'll go easy on her" and Altima would not say "permaban the Shinji fan for the glory of the Sakura Empire".
It works both ways, if I were to troll you, Elf wouldn't be able to go "lol I like Koto so I'll go easy on her" and Altima would not say "permaban the Shinji fan for the glory of the Sakura Empire".
No, I have a problem with anyone who "follows the rules to the letter". "Exceptions for friends" have nothing to do with it, I just like people to make decisions based on what they consider to be right. And, if Elf genuinely thinks getting rid of me is "right" and that the problems she has caused me here are worth the benefits (and, honestly, I don't see any benefits), then I don't see how she can really call me a "friend".
She just said she only wanted to give you a one-day ban, not get rid of you, although I am curious how you got a three day ban as a result. I mean WTF?
As for following the rules to the letter, I can agree than mods should consider the circumstances, save in areas that would get the forum shut down if not acted upon, which is one thing you've never, to my knowledge, done. Its why Deviatesfish and SCM don't post on SB.com, anymore (though Fishie at least has the excuse of not having been able to see the rules that he broke, and they handled him badly when he broke them, due to something scaring the mods into cracking down on the Creative Writing forum; SCM simply missed the point of the rules, which lead to him missing that he was breaking them).
As for following the rules to the letter, I can agree than mods should consider the circumstances, save in areas that would get the forum shut down if not acted upon, which is one thing you've never, to my knowledge, done. Its why Deviatesfish and SCM don't post on SB.com, anymore (though Fishie at least has the excuse of not having been able to see the rules that he broke, and they handled him badly when he broke them, due to something scaring the mods into cracking down on the Creative Writing forum; SCM simply missed the point of the rules, which lead to him missing that he was breaking them).
Mods have a duty to follow the rules to the letter. Exceptions can be made on a case by case basis, but considering your history you wouldn't like the exceptions. You have set some serous precedents, and none of them are good.
Wait, why am I even arguing with you. Even if you have the intelligence to understand what I'm saying you are to stubborn to listen.
Wait, why am I even arguing with you. Even if you have the intelligence to understand what I'm saying you are to stubborn to listen.
I just stumbled on this thread and went through this and the BL thread so lets see if I get this straight...
People complained over at BL about certain members doing destructive criticism and generally being assholes on threads like Mike and then Mike jumped in the thread started swearing at people ,detected a conspiracy to ban him then said that the rules are followed only by sheep and since he is not a sheep he will not follow the rules of the forum, started swearing at the mod when he gave him a warning and then called the mod a fascist and an asshole.
So after Mike did everything in his power to get banned is now complaining about the ban on the basis that he actually did much worse in the past but didnt get punished so why get punished now?
Well Mike it looks like the cumulative effects of your actions are catching up! You managed to drain every scrap of goodwill or tolerance the Mods and other forum members had for you and from now on each misstep will probably resort to some sort of ban or other. No more tolerant "Well its just Mike being Mike" for you. If you "simply let rip" as you say then should be ready to be ripped apart in turn.
People complained over at BL about certain members doing destructive criticism and generally being assholes on threads like Mike and then Mike jumped in the thread started swearing at people ,detected a conspiracy to ban him then said that the rules are followed only by sheep and since he is not a sheep he will not follow the rules of the forum, started swearing at the mod when he gave him a warning and then called the mod a fascist and an asshole.
So after Mike did everything in his power to get banned is now complaining about the ban on the basis that he actually did much worse in the past but didnt get punished so why get punished now?
Well Mike it looks like the cumulative effects of your actions are catching up! You managed to drain every scrap of goodwill or tolerance the Mods and other forum members had for you and from now on each misstep will probably resort to some sort of ban or other. No more tolerant "Well its just Mike being Mike" for you. If you "simply let rip" as you say then should be ready to be ripped apart in turn.
Mike doesn't do the things they banned Fish for (any hint of paedophilia deeply concerns the mods, both because it squicks them, and because if someone searching the internet for things to be offended by notices the post, it could result in lawsuits), and the level of provocation it takes to get Mike to lose his cool would get the provoker in a bit of trouble, as well.
EDIT: Thanatos, who I think is the one who decided to make an example of Deviatesfish, really, really hates paedophiles, which is why he decided to do a post that said 'Don't be Deviantfish' (note misspelling). This was after Fishie said some things that reminded me to much of Souffle, and I'm apparently more willing to make a distinction between 'has creepy taste in stories' and 'is a probable threat to real children'.
EDIT: Thanatos, who I think is the one who decided to make an example of Deviatesfish, really, really hates paedophiles, which is why he decided to do a post that said 'Don't be Deviantfish' (note misspelling). This was after Fishie said some things that reminded me to much of Souffle, and I'm apparently more willing to make a distinction between 'has creepy taste in stories' and 'is a probable threat to real children'.
No, but the angry flaming of the mods that would eminate from me when they did something like that would get me banned in about five seconds flat from any board with your average "I can't take criticism or any kind of public dissent" kind of mod. Hell, I only really survive on BL because most of my anger at moderation decisions is expressed to Altima via PMs or MSN (what happened a few days ago was pretty much the result of him just ignoring my angry PM and carrying on regardless), and because the mods are generally actually reasonable.
I mean, I can't stand Fish, but if I saw someone saying something like that to him, I'd jump on them in two seconds flat, mod or not.
I mean, I can't stand Fish, but if I saw someone saying something like that to him, I'd jump on them in two seconds flat, mod or not.
And whats to stop you from presenting your views in a rational, non-insulting manner that wouldn't cause you to get banned? I can understand wanting to flame people, but there is some point where you should step back and realize that there are better ways of getting your point across. Ways that don't make people want to bait you into arguments just to see if they can get you banned from reaction alone.
Its okay to jump to someone's defense when the people in charge are wrong. Doing so in that manner makes you not only a justifiable target, but someone who a majority of onlookers would believe was in the wrong. No one likes the loud angry guy, its extremely easy to make him seem the villain. Less people like the loud angry guy that is easily baited, because not only is it easy to make him seem like a bad guy, but his reaction reinforces that image with no extra effort.
Its okay to jump to someone's defense when the people in charge are wrong. Doing so in that manner makes you not only a justifiable target, but someone who a majority of onlookers would believe was in the wrong. No one likes the loud angry guy, its extremely easy to make him seem the villain. Less people like the loud angry guy that is easily baited, because not only is it easy to make him seem like a bad guy, but his reaction reinforces that image with no extra effort.
Because I'd bet any amount of money that the mods on SB would not take any notice of what I said. Further, they'd probably ban me for daring to argue with them, at least publically, even if I did do it entirely rationally and without expressing anger.
True, my method of communicating is not great, but I do actually get the point across, eventually (although only because Altima actually knows me and, thus, can deal with it to some extent), and I have even occasionally convinced Altima that he's wrong.
True, my method of communicating is not great, but I do actually get the point across, eventually (although only because Altima actually knows me and, thus, can deal with it to some extent), and I have even occasionally convinced Altima that he's wrong.
SpaceBattles isn't nearly as bad as everyone seems to be making it out to be. The rules amount to "Don't be a douche, and don't post/link to porn," when you aren't in a debate thread.
Though judging from his posts, Cherry will indeed cop a tempban pretty quick, and a permaban when the mods realize he's never going to learn to tone it down. Then again, MJ12 Commando seems to have the same kind of passion when responding to posts which disagree heavily with his worldview, and he's still there.
Though judging from his posts, Cherry will indeed cop a tempban pretty quick, and a permaban when the mods realize he's never going to learn to tone it down. Then again, MJ12 Commando seems to have the same kind of passion when responding to posts which disagree heavily with his worldview, and he's still there.