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seitora

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Zaraki's zanpakuto could always be 'Nanashi', but then that would be sort of a name.

EDIT: On another note, I wonder what it would be like for a non-Shinigami spiritual being to use the training device (Chad, Ishida?). I assume it would work for Arrancars were there ever some plot-relevant reason for one to use it.
 

Knyght

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That's actually what I called Zaraki's zanpakuto in the ability thread. ^_^

I've seen it used occasionally in manga/anime for people who lose, forget or simply don't have a name so it would work quite well in this case.

Ishida or Chad wouldn't even be able to try since they can't stab a zanpakuto into the device. Any method they come up with would probably just damage it. If an arrancar tried I think it would a) break B) manifest as their hollow form or c) bring out the inner shinigami.
 

nick012000

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Hmm. As for which Shinigami would get bankai that way, I'd say that judging by the Zanpakuto Rebellion arc, Rukia, Yumichika, and Hanatarou are probably all good candidates. Hisagi, on the other hand, is probably a good candidate for a horrible death.

IIRC, the recent novel about Zaraki revealed that his Shikai's power is to make his power match that of his opponent if it's higher than his is - and then remain stuck there, since it doesn't go back down afterwards, and he doesn't know how to seal his Zanpakuto. So, if he goes and tries to get bankai, what on Earth might it be? Something like Ichigo and Yamamoto's bankais? Automatically getting ten times the power of his strongest opponent? Something else?
 

seitora

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Zaraki already has a monstrous amount of reiatsu without Bankai, so a full on Bankai would presumably make him an outright monster capable of going toe-to-toe with Yamamoto
 

seitora

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And, since both you guys mentioned Hanataro, another idea, more of a crackfic...

Hanataro gets a harem. But, being Hanataro, he has to completely stumble into it and moan about his luck every time the harem gets bigger. Perhaps Hanataro starts acting even more like Nozomu Itoshiki than he already does?
 

seitora

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More random ideas. Stop me if they begin to get on the stupid side.


1. The confrontation between Vowels Morevowels (Aaroniero) and Rukia in Hueco Mundo. What if AA had decided to do things differently and, while Rukia still believed him to be speaking as Kaien, claimed he wasn't strong enough to act against Aizen yet, but that if he was to eat Rukia's soul and add her strength to his own, he could potentially be able to do just that? Remember, Rukia had her bout of depression for a few pages here, so if AA timed it right then he could get a free Shinigami soul that was at the time lieutenant-level in all but name.

Not sure where I could possibly go from there though. Have AA ditch Aizen's forces? Maybe ambush Szayel so he can add Szayel's super-intelligence to his own, if that were possible, and then leave? I can't see him attacking Ichigo directly.


2. I already posted this in response to an offshoot idea in the Arrancar Arc Revision thread, but for posterity's sake.

Urahara initially wanted to put his own Hogyoku in Rukia's gigai and then cause her to turn into a normal human by staying in the gigai long enough. Isshin somehow lost his powers before the series started, and only recently regained them, and I don't think that was somehow ever explained.

Those two ideas should ideally come together beautifully. Isshin's gigai is designed to turn him into a human, causing him to lose his powers and become human while sealing away Urahara's Hogyoku for good, but something (maybe the Hogyoku merging with his soul, I guess?) causes him to regain his powers after a time. Whether he intentionally does this knowing about the Hogyoku or Urahara tricks him is up to whoever might write it I guess.

Something else I thought of would be toying with Ichigo, Yuzu and Karin being some sort of Hogyoku-spawn, or perhaps Ichigo being some sort of human reincarnation of the Hogyoku. That would be a bit on the meh side, though.

It would be pretty amusing if Urahara outplanned Aizen and fooled him into thinking the Hogyoku was in Rukia, so when Aizen does his whole heel-face-turn and attempts to extract the Hogyoku from Rukia's soul, he gets nothing. Cue Aizen-rage.
 

Knyght

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Bankai training
Yumichika: If he achieves bankai, it's possible that the true nature of his zanpakuto might get exposed especially since it's likely that this training will be observed to try and avoid casaulties. The fallout of this could lead to him getting ostracised from his divison and perhaps result in a different divison taking him in since he is powerful. Alternatively, the tops dogs of the 11th probably won't give a shit and anyone who causes problems would just get beaten up. This way Yumichika doesn't have to weaken himself like a moron and actually be useful in the upcoming war.

Rukia: The training would be good for her personality since she has a few issues that really seem to hinder her progress, imo. Even if she doesn't achieve it through this method, it could have a positive effect which could result in changes in the future (notable her Espada confrontation). It's possible that this training would help more shinigami get on the right track for developing the zanpakuto in the first place.

Zaraki: It's iffy whether he would actually achieve bankai or not since he's so lacking when it comes to zanpakuto stuff. His zanpakuto spirit is probably gonna be far more violent and aggressive due to the suffering its undergone thanks to Zaraki. At most, I think this would at least result in them coming to an accord and Zaraki finally learning his zanpakuto's name after it kicks his ass. That alone would be a big boost to his reiatsu and have him able to use whatever his zanpakuto's ability is.

Or it could go the Yachiru route for a WTF moment. Either way I'd make his zanpakuto a woman. :snigger:

Hisagi: Based on his comments about his shikai, it's likely that Kazeshini's potrayal in the zanpakuto arc is probably quite accurate. I think Hisagi could grow here in a similar way to how Ichigo did when confronting his inner hollow, with him learning and accepting his true nature. I think it'd be a good sign of him choosing his own way instead of following Tousen's piss-poor methology (imo) and having bankai could make him more significant in the eventual confrontation.

Hanatarou: Served as obvious character development for him and likely a big boost his confidence. I'm not sure how much canonical info we have about his zanpakuto so you'd probably have to rely on how it works in the anime. Which is pretty unique really makes him an ideal healer. Perhaps he's a part of the group sent to living world to act as a medic or maybe Unohana takes him under her wing as an apprentice.

Another potential could be Hinamori which could actually backfire horrible if she starts thinking that Aizen didn't take her because she was weak. Possibly Matsumoto if you wanted her to have a confrontation with Gin.

Aaroniero eats Rukia
Well, that's depressing. :(

He would likely take Rukia's form and then try to eat the rest of her friends to increase his own power. Not sure how well that would work if everyone actually senses Rukia's reiatsu disappearing. He might go for various arrancar like the Privaron Espada depending on the timing. Could be interesting if he stays off the radar and eats the defeated arrancar, getting more abilities and power each time. Regardless, he's gonna get murdered by Ichigo in the end.

Orihime could be a factor here since she might be able to bring Rukia back. That actually relates to one of my own ideas where Ichigo finishes Grimmjow faster and they go to heal Rukia. Once that's done and they hear about the fight, Orihime could attempt to bring Kaien back properly using Aaroniero's frozen remains.

Hogyoku Isshin
Ichigo and his sisters will probably be the start of a whole new race. The Hogyoku dissolves the barrier between Shinigami and Hollows <s>because fuck that wish-making bullshit</s> so it's possible that Ichigo is actually born without that barrier in the first place. He's be a natural born fusion of the two races so his development go in an entirely new direction. Whether or not that effects the events that take place between his birth and the start of canon would depend on the writer.

Potentially, Urahara and company could involve themselves in Ichigo's life at an earlier point. I wouldn't mind seeing Yoruichi taking Ichigo under her way at a young age like Stray Cat Strut. It could also effect the powers his friends develop too.

Urahara trolling Aizen is a definite possibility but it's strange how he didn't consider Isshin a candidate. It's possible that Aizen has limited knowledge on the Royal Guard (assuming Isshin was a part of them) so he wouldn't be aware of Isshin becoming human. It's interesting to consider what Aizen might do if we end up with a failed attempt to retrieve the Hogyoku from Rukia, assuming Urahara doesn't put a fake in there. Hell, it could even be a bomb or seal designed to take out Aizen which could put an end to him there on the hill.

Then we have a group of powerful arrancar chilling in Hueco Mundo. Maybe Tousen manages to make it back and attempt to take charge which would undoubtedly end up failure. Gin would be screwed unless he puts the finishing touches on Aizen. Anything could happen really.

The Hogyoku being a trap could be an interesting divergent point in itself.

Random ideas:
- During the SS arc, Chad makes a turn in the right direction and ends up meeting up with Ichigo and Ganju instead of heading towards Shunsui.

- After seeing Chad's torn-off arm, Ichigo returns the favour and proceeds to cut off Yammy's head before his reiatsu goes crazy.
 

zeebee1

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It wouldn't help Zaraki. All the method does is give you the ability to materialize the zanpakuto spirit. But Zaraki's sword refuses to speak to him. The method wouldn't change that.
 

seitora

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@knight#s: AA eating Rukia is meant to be depressing. Not every idea should make it easier for the good guys to win.

But, you did give my ideas some feedback, so some reciprocity.


- During the SS arc, Chad makes a turn in the right direction and ends up meeting up with Ichigo and Ganju instead of heading towards Shunsui.
Do you mean like right after they land in Seireitei? If nothing else, then he would get lots of cred among the 11th Division guys since he would probably be able to lay out everyone besides Ikkaku and Yumichika easily with his arm techniques. He might be able to help wreak more havoc, but I can't see him getting past Byakuya later on.



- After seeing Chad's torn-off arm, Ichigo returns the favour and proceeds to cut off Yammy's head before his reiatsu goes crazy.
At which point Ulqiorra treats him as a serious threat and attempts to kill him. Whether he manages to do so or not before Urahara and Yoruichi show up is another question, and supposing he is forced to retreat early enough, he might not see Orihime do her reality hacking technique.

And since Yammy is dead, Aizen would need somebody to replace his 10th spot, so probably Luppi.



Another random idea

Mayuri realises that others are disgusted by his ways and mannerisms. While he doesn't care, he does worry about the possibility of being ostracised by the rest of the Gotei 13 eventually leading to his downfall in some way.

To counter this, he modifies Nemu to be more outgoing, presenting a more 'friendly' public face of the 12th Division to everybody else, in the hopes that her popularity makes others more hesitant to counter the 12th Division, particularly a sugar-hopped Yachiru.

And yes this is just an excuse for a more realistic set-up for an Ishida x Nemu pairing.
 

Knyght

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seitora said:
@knight#s: AA eating Rukia is meant to be depressing. Not every idea should make it easier for the good guys to win.

But, you did give my ideas some feedback, so some reciprocity.
Doesn't mean I have to like it. :blue:

You can make things more challenging without it being depressing (and somewhat horrific in this case). Matter of personal taste, really. If someone started a story with that I probably wouldn't read it unless I hear that some really interesting stuff comes after.

Do you mean like right after they land in Seireitei? If nothing else, then he would get lots of cred among the 11th Division guys since he would probably be able to lay out everyone besides Ikkaku and Yumichika easily with his arm techniques. He might be able to help wreak more havoc, but I can't see him getting past Byakuya later on.
Not quite. There's a specific scene around the time Ichigo and Ganju meet Hanatarou where Chad is literally just a few metres away but they head in different directions. Ichigo towards Renji and Chad towards Shunsui.

Not sure what changes would happens since I doubt Chad himself would do anything significant. More likely that Chad gets cut down by Kenpachi/Byakuya which pisses off Ichigo and things go from there. Or maybe Chad's presence leads to them taking a different turn and confronting a different enemy (though Kenpachi would still be hunting for them).

It wouldn't help Zaraki. All the method does is give you the ability to materialize the zanpakuto spirit. But Zaraki's sword refuses to speak to him. The method wouldn't change that.
That's one explanation. It's also possible he wasn't at the point where he could hear his zanpakuto or even establish communication between them. We only have that one scene on the development between Zaraki and his zanpakuto and it's hardly touched upon again, so I'd say we don't have enough info to judge their relationship.
 

seitora

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Another random idea. I haven't watched more than a couple of anime episodes, but I have read about the Muramasa arc and Muramasa's abilities.

What if the Muramasa arc took place during the Soul Society arc, before Aizen has a chance to fake his death?

I don't think even Aizen has a way to counteract Muramasa's abilities to free his zanpakuto spirit, and Kyouka Suigetsu for all we know could be loose-lipped.
 
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That'd actually be interesting in a scenario that involved that fake spoiler a while back that actually made Aizen's 'defeat' considerably less bullshit than the actual chapter did with that utterly retarded "Aizen WANTED to lose his powers because his backstory is now a carbon copy of Starrk's because he needs to be sympathetic" tripe.

The initial spoilers for that chapter instead implied that KS was the one who wished for Aizen to lose his powers instead, because in all his using the orb to go into that transcendence stupidity he'd completely cast aside his own sword entirely. I forget the specifics, but either I thought or it actually said that KS's true for is one similar to that of a child, and it was because it was being cast aside by its master that it's loneliness and feelings of betrayal gave birth to the wish that the orb responded to, hilariously ended in his own defeat.

If there were some way to incorporate that aspect of it into things, that'd go over quite nicely. Would be nice to have something nice come out of that bullshit, since everything else only served to make it fail all the harder. :mellow:
 

seitora

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Well, I didn't even care about what backstory Kyouka Suigetsu actually has, but since it would be forcibly turned against Aizen instead, it could quite easily proceed to spill the beans and massively change the rest of the story. Even just the reveal of KS's illusion powers could be enough, since it would make others think "What is Aizen hiding?"

I'd like to see a confrontation between Gin and Shinsou, also. Shinsou I might expect would at least continue to share Gin's desire to hide its poison ability, but might also be peeved at Gin for hiding that technique for the sole purpose of being able to kill Aizen later on.
 

shinzero01

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Anyone else notice that the first time Ulquiorra 'killed' Ichigo, he was going to come back to life anyway before Grimmjow brought Orihime to work on him? It foreshadowed the future hollow transformation but also makes me wonder... can Ichigo really die? I base the question off the series dead/vacant eyes he had at the time and Orihime noting that his body was fixing itself and actually making it more difficult for her to work on him.

Edit; On second reading of Ch 277, Orihime wasn't the one to heal him of the fatal wound. She literally couldn't reject the wound while his body was healing itself. She could heal him after he was alive again though.
 
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Take of the head, maybe vaporize it to be sure. Boom done. Hollows can survive many things, but none can survive without their head. Had Ulquiorra aimed for his head instead of the chest with that CO in their fight, Ichigo wouldn't have gotten up from that, needless to say. :mellow:
 

shinzero01

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Take of the head, maybe vaporize it to be sure. Boom done. Hollows can survive many things, but none can survive without their head. Had Ulquiorra aimed for his head instead of the chest with that CO in their fight, Ichigo wouldn't have gotten up from that, needless to say. :mellow:
Thing is, I don't think it is hollow healing.
We find out Orihime couldn't heal him and she literally rejects reality.
Ichigo is shown as a corpse, even to the point of the artist using the same shading he uses for dead people. Later, Ichigo suddenly jolts, healed and alive. On his own.
We see it happen again later with his crazy hollow form.
The thing is, it's not even regeneration like we've seem from hollows. Ichigo literally goes from dead to fixed.
 
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Eh, Orihime apparently couldn't heal him because of Pat's Reiatsu in the wound making it problematic and take longer as far as I remember. It wasn't like he was dead either, make no mistake, his bankai dropped and he was utterly wrecked, but there was no one saying he's dead Jim there to confirm it. In fact his worse injury later against Pat we see very clear signs that he was alive despite that up to the point the hollow form came to be.

Factor in that the location of the injury is a point that, quite literally, doesn't exist in the hollow form, and you have less room to argue that. In fact, if what's happening is indeed not regeneration, taking out the head is only going to work better. Since in taking out the head he not only should not be able to heal by the way the rules of hollows work, he's also got no way to heal it by that logic to begin with. :sisi:
 

shinzero01

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Eh, Orihime apparently couldn't heal him because of Pat's Reiatsu in the wound making it problematic and take longer as far as I remember. It wasn't like he was dead either, make no mistake, his bankai dropped and he was utterly wrecked, but there was no one saying he's dead Jim there to confirm it. In fact his worse injury later against Pat we see very clear signs that he was alive despite that up to the point the hollow form came to be.

Factor in that the location of the injury is a point that, quite literally, doesn't exist in the hollow form, and you have less room to argue that. In fact, if what's happening is indeed not regeneration, taking out the head is only going to work better. Since in taking out the head he not only should not be able to heal by the way the rules of hollows work, he's also got no way to heal it by that logic to begin with. :sisi:
Actually its not stated who's reiatsu is keeping her from healing him. But while he's offscreen and everyone's distracted by Grimmjow and Ulquiorra, he goes from hole in chest to fixed. Though everyone is surprised when he heals in front of them after losing his full hollow form. Its apparently a high speed regeneration superior to Ulquiorra's considering it healed everything at once in some kind of mini-tornado.
 

Amodelsino

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Hollow regeneration can't restore internal organs. Ichigo's restores his heart (and probably part of his lungs too), which is an internal organ.

Given both how it operates and how it looked when it healed him after the Ulq fight, it's nothing like Hollow regeneration. The only time he uses Hollow regeneration is when his mindless body is fighting the Vaizards.
 
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Uh yeah it can heal vital organs. Regular hollow regeneration is pretty broken, that one Ishida fought had it's entire side torn out and regened just fine as I recall. Don't even get me STARTED on Wonderwiess. It's only Pat's, for some absurd reason, that's shitty in that regard.
 

Amodelsino

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Where does it say Hollows have internal organs? Ulq does, but he's has a (mostly) human form like Shinigami.

Unless it specifically says somewhere that ordinary Hollows have organs, I'm going to assume they don't, because Ulq talks like his is the standard regeneration Hollows have and there is nothing to contradict this other than the assumption that Hollows all have internal organs.

EDIT: Oh right, Wonderwiess. I'd be more likely to put that down as one of his retard powers, because again, Ulq definitely refers to his as the one the other Arrancar gave up, and therefore his is not the odd one out. The other Espada at least had Ulq's one before they gave it up for more power.
 
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Wonderwiess's case literally shows the organs being pulled back inside his guts as it heals, and Allon's a pretty definitive showcase of a hollow's interior having standard stuff in it, though admittedly his case might be weird since he's technically an arrancar offshoot.

I'd grant that the more general hollows might not have organs, but it's pretty definitive that we have a case of an arrancar with organs regening them no problem. One specifically noted to have 'given up everything to be able to negate Ryuujinjakka' no less, so it's not like he was designed to have special uber regen. And frankly, if anything, Pat was noting his case as an exception, since that's the only time it was specifically noted what can and can't be healed.

Hell didn't Ichigo himself first showcasing Regen in a hollow form in front of the vizards start off with a nasty chest slash it healed like nothing, and no one seemed particularly surprised about it?

Though granted he was fighting Kensei at the time and his short blade might not have gotten deep enough to do that kind of damage. :hmm:
 

Amodelsino

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Pat was noting his case as an exception, since that's the only time it was specifically noted what can and can't be healed.
He was noting his decision to keep the regeneration as an exception (the point being he was so powerful in reality he didn't think he'd need a power boost), which means the others had the same thing to give up. Also, to be fair we never saw how Wonder died, so he could have simply been holding himself together like Ulq did, just better because retard power and maybe less lost.

To be honest, we both know this is just a contradiction caused by Kubo forgetting or changing his own rules, but Ichigo's happens in the very fight the organ rule is established, so it's clear his is supposed to be different from Hollow regeneration. Hell, the sheer difference in how it looks shows that. It's also clear from how Ulq talks that his is supposed to be standard run of the mill regen everyone had but only he out of the Espada kept, not some abnormally shit version.

Also yeah, Ichigo had standard Hollow regen in Hollow form as well, but it only happened in the Vaizard fight, and it clearly is a different ability to the glowy light heal that he uses after Ulq's fight.
 
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Uh, we saw how Wonderwiess died. Yamamoto vaporized his entire body and cracked his head, and then the remains of that exploded from the flames of Ryuujinjakka it had absorbed. Yamamoto basically hit him so hard with something that literally couldn't be regened from, since technically speaking, he did rip off his head. Only backwards.

Regardless, while I would agree what Ichigo showed was different from what Pat did since that's absurdly obvious, my problem is both in how different it appeared and the fact that Pat actually classified it as the same thing regardless. Up to that point, all hollow regeneration was more or less the same, including Ichigo's. Limbs just grow back or bubble back into existence from the point where the injury happened. Here his hair made a weird halo bullshit thing, drove power into the chest, and suddenly the missing part was just there.

Even ignoring the fact that organs were likely healed in the process, I would not immediately look at that and say regen. I would call that shit some sort of holy healing magic that restores wounds. Regen at least implies it grows back naturally or some shenanigans given how hollows do it, there was a clear special technique of an outside nature involved there.

Yet despite that drastically different application and the fact that it heals something Pat supposedly knows is impossible for normal regen to heal, he immediately attributes it to natural High Speed Regen? Really?

Though granted even in the case where my interpretation of events is correct and normal regen does heal organs based on what we know, I still hold the distinction to be pretty dumb regardless, but needless to say that whole fight was pretty bullshit in itself. :sweat2:
 
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