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~NGD OMEGA~

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Key point was poison bypasses reiatsu mechanics. Since, you know, it worked on transcendant Aizen. ;)

Whether or not it had reiatsu or was purely biological is arguable and honestly I'd probably side with the former, but that a person nowhere near transcendant could do such significant damage to someone who was (Though obviously he regened from it) suggests poison does not operate under the same rules.
 
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shinzero01

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Key point was poison bypasses reiatsu mechanics. Since, you know, it worked on transcendant Aizen. ;)

Whether or not it had reiatsu or was purely biological is arguable and honestly I'd probably side with the former, but that a person nowhere near transcendant could do such significant damage to someone who was (Though obviously he regened from it) suggests poison does not operate under the same rules.
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It also helps that it was a Bankai, which tend to break the rules on a daily basis.
 
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nick012000

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Key point was poison bypasses reiatsu mechanics. Since, you know, it worked on transcendant Aizen. ;)

Whether or not it had reiatsu or was purely biological is arguable and honestly I'd probably side with the former, but that a person nowhere near transcendant could do such significant damage to someone who was (Though obviously he regened from it) suggests poison does not operate under the same rules.
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Except that poison clearly doesn't bypass Spiritual Pressure, since Aizen took a couple hits from the ninja chick without a worry.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Actually Soifon's shikai is kido based more than anything. I heard the anime had this stupid as hell explanation about poison or something, but all you really have to do is look at how the thing works to realize that's not a function of poison. Poison could be a part of it, in theory, but two hit kills based around a rune that doesn't disappear unless Soifon herself wills it doesn't in itself make sense without the 'magical' component doing the actual brunt of the work there.

I mean Christ, succeeding results in the dude exploding into two massive magical butterfly marks. Shit be wack already. This is of course ignoring that part was pretty much an illusion anyway, but ignoring the utter stupidity of 392 is standard fair by now.
 
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Delta Green Friendly

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Actually he's wrong on a few counts there. Ulquiorra's eye crushing thing was an ability only he had for one, though obviously there are quite a few other regeners out there, and Hollow's can be done in with physical force, it just takes a shitload more than a 'normal human' is capable of.

Which isn't to say tech or advanced weapon's can't even the field. Christ, soul stone has the innate ability to screw anything operating under reiatsu's day and is an untapped goldmine of potential. And frankly poison already bypasses reiatsu mechanics anyway given they operate under the same biology we do and it even works on goddamn transcendants somehow (Though granted that concept in general is bullshit). Which doesn't even get into the potential of radiation working just as easily among other factors if we have the mind to try.

Honestly the only real issue is the whole flash step thing, because I'm fairly sure we can't deal with that kind of thing even if everything else goes flawlessly. Base hollows we could probably deal with because they in general lack significant speed. Not perfectly of course, but a good squad of trained humans with the right tools could stand a good shot. Once we start getting into the big leagues is where we're kinda screwed unless we drop like nukes on them or something, and even then stuff is likely to get in the way.

(This doesn't get into the whole killing hollows without zan's thing = world screwed, but that's kinda besides the point)
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So, in other words, simply take the Technocracy's handbook?

Because they do have nukes that are designed to affect spirits. Course, they weren't enough to take down that Antedeluvian, but everything that was purely spirit was completely gone in that region.
 
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zeebee1

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a serial romance by incandescens.

Shunsui nobly plays matchmaker to Nanao and Rangiku. Things go boom. Also splat. And Ukitake writes the lines.

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6324955/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6324955/1/</a>
 
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Estrecca

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Well, crap.

Shinjuku Wild apparently got deleted very recently and the author doesn't seem to be around anymore. All around suckage, I think.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Had a similar thing happen with the writer of Memory of A Ghost, which pisses me off as I was literally in the middle of one of his other stories and it suddenly vanished with no trace. Apparently it was due to some issue with FFN not deleting his account (Which is deleted now admittedly) though details are scarce.

Thanks to some recent and absurdly potent Google Fuing I learned the author in question has an account on Livejournal dubbed Coldthemistor that has one of the fics in question on there, though not the ones I was following sadly. No details to be found there either and the account may be abandoned. :sweat2:
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Woot, after some contact with the author, a discovery of why he gave up fanfiction, and some well wishing, A Memory of a Ghost is back online. <a href='http://wires-crossed.livejournal.com/27127.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://wires-crossed.livejournal.com/27127.html</a>

And now saved permenantly to my hard drive where it belongs.

TOTALLY worth it. :D
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Would be floored if this hasn't been posted yet, but it deserves repeating even if it has:

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5024748/1/Weapons' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5024748/1/Weapons</a>
The Shinigami have duty. The Arrancar have Aizen. The Hollows have hunger. The Vaizard have revenge. But what does it take for a bunch of human children to fight?
Rated: Fiction T - English - Drama - Chad/Y. Sado & Ichigo K. - Words: 3,277 - Reviews: 32 - Favs: 179 - Follows: 10 - Published: 04-27-09 - Status: Complete - id: 5024748

Rather amazing one shot of the Karakura gang. One that in fact made me rethink my interpretation of how the undeveloped ones should develop, since at this late stage with the series ending that's never going to happen.

Not a carbon copy admittedly, but having one or two in complete support roles might make things flow just as well.
 
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zeebee1

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How dare they list Chad as the first main character.
 
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Knyght

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Read that one a year ago (maybe more, maybe less). An interesting piece that seems to be set in the future of his/her Chivalry fic.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Yeah, shame that one appears to be going nowhere. Loved that little short though, gave me some good ideas and maybe a way to rectify the fact that if all the group gained combat powers they'd be a severely imbalanced group. At least one playing a primary support role, and oddly canon gives us an intriguing way to go about that (well if you call the novel canon anyway :p )... May write something up for the make an ability thread in line with this little plot thread.
 
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zeebee1

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It's too bad that the author doesn't realize how badly he was writing Tatsuki. It was bad enough that her basic ability was ripping off Ichigo's Bankai. But look at her actual fight. Ichigo easily beat the giant but Tatsuki won because she had super armor.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Yeah, nailing down a proper ability set for the ones currently without powers is kinda hard. As is we already have 5 or so core members, which tends to be the limit in the first place, meaning trying to complement the others without encroaching on their territory is rough by this point.

Most of the ideas I've seen for Keigo weren't particularly fitting or spectacular. Half of them were based on running, which while it makes sense given what little we have to work with is kinda countered by a speedster already being in the group. Well originally anyway till it vanished for whatever reason. :sweat2:

Tatsuki tends to be energy shots or punches given some of the filler stuff, which is basically Chad's whole stick. I've seen several attempts to get her into Shunko and Soifon and Yoruichi's sort of turf, which doesn't quite gel either given we're again getting into speedster stuff. I think ideally we need to get her into weapon territory since a puncher is already established at this point.

Though the only thing to go with is that one image drawn by Kubo that we have of her with the Komamura's Tail weapon. Which while lulzy is kinda out of nowhere.

Tofna might not be a bad idea though, I think there was at least one image somewhere of someone using them (Might have been Ichigo in one of the color spreads), since newer crap like spears or axes might not mesh with her fighting style by comparison. And Hibari from Reborn shows us you can do ALL kinds of shit with those.
 
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nintendokid

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The thing is that there's so much diversity in the Bleachverse that it's kind of unforgivable to not be creative with powers. For example, like with Keigo I'd give him the ability to deal out status buffs to other members with some light offense.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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I fleshed out two sets, one each for Mizuro and Tatsuki just now in the ability creation thread which I think I tied together nicely. The thing with negacion threads, though sounding unusual, is pretty much canon mind, in relation to the novel anyway. This is how the spider chick learned how to do goddamn Mugetsu in that novel, she set up webs of negation everywhere that processed and scanned every ability used over the FKT arc. That shit be WHACK.

Keigo is tricky. I do want to go buffer, since there aren't a lot of slots left open that particularly need filling, or maybe even assassin like in that oneshot, but I want to have my own personal interpretation I find fitting. Which is damned hard to think up without stepping on someone else's toes given the group dynamic is so diverse by this point... :sweat2:
 
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ragnarok1337

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nintendokid said:
The thing is that there's so much diversity in the Bleachverse that it's kind of unforgivable to not be creative with powers. For example, like with Keigo I'd give him the ability to deal out status buffs to other members with some light offense.
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I don't know; I rather liked the interpretation of Keigo's powers. In his dead Tatsuki fic, Mizuhiro gets the power of telepathy, which I think is rather unique. What is NOT unique, however, is Tatsuki's ability. Having a coating over your body which makes you stronger and resistant to damage? It's basically a copy of Chad's ability.
 
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Knyght

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My own idea for Keigo at one point was teleportation. We've seen a couple of examples in canon but no-one uses it as an overall style. Teleporting himself and anything he's touching, teleporting anything within a specific location and creating portals. Basically a mix of Shiner from Psyren and Nova from the Bleach filler.
 
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Lord Raine

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Tatsuki? I'd give her lightning powers. Maybe the ability to partially becoming lightning as well. Or maybe not confine it to any one element, and just make her a pure elementalist. She does do martial arts, so I'd probably roll something useful in hand-to-hand. The whole "magic power armor" thing is really, really cool, but that's Chads thing, and if you're going to make that 'better,' you might as well just attach it to his as an evolution so he's actually relevant. Plus, you can get strength+ and speed+ from channeling spirit energy, so it's not really that necessary.

Human powers in general are a whole lot more interesting than Shinigami ones, because they aren't confined into Zanpakuto/Shikai/Bankai, and can run the full gamut from "basically useless" to "God. No, seriously. God."

If I were to do some sort of extravagent training conflict war fic, I'd probably focus on the rest of Ichigo's human friends acquiring and further developing their powers, because I find them a whole lot more interesting than I do Soul Society, AKA Lawful Asshole Heaven.

Keigo teleporting is pretty sweet, and he could use it to gank someone a hell of a lot stronger than himself if he used it smart. I'd probably either make him that, or a full-blown wizard. No pretention, no frills, just straight-up I can use spirit energy like fucking magic.
 
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Knyght

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Lightning God Tatsuki? Do want. And I know I'm not the only one who immediately thought of <a href='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CP74Vlgm1as/SqcV7QaDd7I/AAAAAAAAABg/uZbEclXJOuc/s400/02.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this.</a> I'd say it fits her. Alternatively, you could have wind which can essentially be used in a different way to accomplish the same thing (though we already have Kiriya in the anime). You could even bring in the devil/hell theme from the abilities thread if we use the corruption, black lightning etc.

Omega pointed out that having another speedster would encroach on what Ichigo already brings to the team, but I don't really think that's a problem. As I see it, Tatsuki and Chad are meant to be 'similar but opposite' power-wise; the former focusing on speed, the latter on power but both using their physical bodies.

Ichigo's isn't really the speedster of the group; he's the Jack-Of-All-Stats (or the Jack-Of-Unlimited-Stats since he's a freak of nature).

If I were to do some sort of extravagent training conflict war fic, I'd probably focus on the rest of Ichigo's human friends acquiring and further developing their powers, because I find them a whole lot more interesting than I do Soul Society, AKA Lawful Asshole Heaven.
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That type of things difficult to pull off since Soul Society are supposed to get involved when spiritual shit goes down in the Human World. It's not very logical of them to simply leave it to the untrustworthy humans down there.

Though I suppose there are ways around there; having a crisis occur in Soul Society (without Ichigo running in to help), the antagonists keeping the events under wraps or them sending in a token Shinigami.

*goes off to brainstorm*
 
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Amodelsino

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You can have conflict without it being large scale or encroaching on Soul Society's jurisdiction. The Fullbring Arc is an example of something that was perfectly suited to this, a conflict created by humans to be solved by humans.

Of course, then Kubo went and ruined that, but that has little to do with the structure or possibility.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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A while ago I found a reference in the manga of a group of people known as Magic Hunters, who were pretty much stated not to bother with Hollows in general. An offshoot of the quincy it was said, so presumably their powers would be similar to Quincy, only not limited to bows. There wasn't much on them, pretty much just 'Hello, these exist' and they were never mentioned again, but from the name alone there are a lot of possible Human based plots you can create with them.

My personal favorite interpretation is a group of humans who actively hunt and exterminate those humans who develop hollow based powers, ala Chad and general 'Full Bring' type abilities, which is hilariously something I was planning to use in a Bleach RPG a while back since it was to play to the paranoia my one character had of claiming everyone around him was trying to kill him. Only he just happened to be right in this one case. :snigger:

Though yeah, to rectify the difference between Chad and Tatsuki, the ideal way to go about it is to place more emphasis on Technique with Tatsuki, a style focusing more on speed than strength (Without technically being a speedster), and potentially Precision. Where Chad's skills focus on One Hit Kills and massive energy blasts, she'd focus on devastating combos and multiple projectile strikes (The bala to his cero so to speak), whittling them down with solid hits quickly rather than trying to devastate them in one blow.

The lancer of the group without technically using a lance so to speak, since that weapon doesn't really suit her much as I love them. I went with tofna for my 'Marrow' skillset I designed for her, which I think works well to Augment a hand to hand fighting style in line with what I was trying to give her and gives lots of room for energy/elemental attacks and combos.

Lightning itself wouldn't be a bad idea I suppose if you want to play off this same style. Certainly there's stuff like this floating around.

<a href='http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tatsuki___comission_by_toppera_tpr.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2...toppera_tpr.jpg</a>

Really there isn't much to go by canon either. We have either energy or fire by all appearances given the volume sketches, but that isn't solid, or we have this drawn by Kubo:



The Komamura's tail weapon which I still can't wrap my head around. :huh:
 
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ragnarok1337

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Really there isn't much to go by canon either. We have either energy or fire by all appearances given the volume sketches, but that isn't solid, or we have this drawn by Kubo:



The Komamura's tail weapon which I still can't wrap my head around. :huh:
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It looks like she's about to bludgeon someone with a large ferret.
 
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