Clone Wars

Ordo

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<a href='http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/15/comic-con-season-5-of-star-wars-the-clone-wars-features-mauls-next-move-and-more' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>More news about Season 5</a>

Well.....Civil War on Mandalore, Maul trying to take power for himself.....and Darth Sidious coming out from behind his desk to clean house himself.....this should prove interesting.
 

Ordo

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<a href='http://www.starwars.com/watch/insider_filoni_on_obiwan.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Dave Filoni on Obi-wan</a>

...you know, he's got a point about Obi-Wan leaving Anakin alive......thinking back on it, <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEjVpgLkeFg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> must've been Yoda's response

edit:

....boredom lead to google, google lead to a page of quotes from Karen Traviss, and reading that page lead to anger.

ôYour prowess with a lightsaber is childish vanity. Your physical Force powers are no more than a conjurer's trick, sleight of hand to dazzle the ordinary beings you should be serving. You profane these powers by using them as weapons in war. And you fail to grasp the single, simple, uncompromising duty of the true Jedi. The Jedi is the rock-lion at the gate who says, "I will defend these beings with my life, and that is the sum of me." Etain Tur-Mukan died to save one life, a man she did not even know, but felt compelled to save, and that is what made her stronger in the Force and a truer Jedi than any of you acrobats, tricksters, and specious, empty philosophers.ö
» Karen Travissá
If memory serves, that man Etain saved was a Clone Trooper standing between a Padawn being hunted by the new Galactic Empire and freedom. This above line sums up KT's opinion on the Jedi and it's so FLAWED and full of fail that I can feel my blood beginning to boil. Look I don't think Jedi are incorruptible saints. However I do believe that, on the whole, they've consistently been a force for justice in the galaxy. They've certainly done more good than the Mando's she's constantly praising

When KT was writing her Commando books I had little to no problem with her. She had her own little corner of Star Wars where she could spout whatever shit she wanted and it wouldn't impact the grander tale. Then some idiot put her on a major series dealing with the New Jedi Order. That person needs a reprimand. You do not put a person with such an obvious dislike for a major aspect of the universe
on a story where the focus is going to be that aspect.

I mean she shoved her Mandos in sideways to a story that really didn't have any place for them because she so desperatly needed to scratch that itch. Then she had Ben Skywalker thinking about how great it'd be to be a Mando, followed by making Luke, and Jaina both look like idiots, and the crowning Jewel is that she killed Mara Jade....and failed to tell Zahn about it....while he was working on a story involving his character.

So she runs rampent through the Star Wars EU, changing backstories as she likes (in one case to make Fett more heroic....as well as turning Mandos ino farmers for some reason), downplaying the powers and contributions of the Jedi, while raising the Mandos up for praise...and then get's pissy when GL decides to show pacifist Mandos in his clone wars cartoon....

She kills off Mara Jade and expects the other who created the character and was working on a story involving her to just grin and bear it, but when George Lucas shows another group of Mando's she throws a hissy fit and leaves?

(there are rumors she was let go but nothing I can confirm)

Yeah....by all means KT stay away from Star Wars. Go to Gears of War I'm sure we'll all be happier for it.

Oh, one last thing.

ôAnd nobody has the right to judge a soldier from the warmth and safety of their armchair.ö
» Karen Traviss
Yet the Jedi are obviously exempt from this since you do just that in your works.

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Karen Traviss broke the Star Wars base for all intents and purposes. She's undoubtedly one of the best authors but she has a really huge Gary-Stu thing going for the Mandalorians. She also really considers canon "optional" when it comes to good storytelling. I agree with this attitude, but she quit because hers was being changed.

Here's a short list of what she did.

* The Mandalorians did not die out except for Jango Fett and a handful of soldiers after the Jedi Knights defeated them at Galidraan (Jango's EU backstory). Instead, there's billions of them left across the galaxy.

* The Clones are a slave army that secretly hates the Jedi Knights and considers it justice when they're murdered.

* The Jedi Knights are emotionally cold baby snatchers who are all loyal to the Jedi Knights.

* A group of 12 Mandalorians can send a Sith Lord fleeing in terror without him killing any of them.

* It's justice when a bunch of Jedi padawans are murdered during Order 66 for killing the clones attacking them.

* Jaina Solo's problem is that she doesn't enter a pure battle rage when she fights and the best way to defeat a Sith Lord is to allow your mind to become a red mist of pure battlelust.

* There's only 200 million or so battle droids versus 3 million clones in the galaxy.

* There's thousands of Jedi Knights who have rejected Yoda's viewpoints as evil and dogmatic that we never see on screen.

(Which is actually kind of cool)

* A character who was Mandalore after Jango Fett (Spar) was retconned into being a puppet figurehead for a character that she preferred as Mandalore.

* Mandalorians value family and honor above all things with being strong nature enthusiasts. Why they hate the Jedi who are anti-family and anti-emotions.

* The reason she is leaving Star Wars is in the CGI series next season, the Jedi Knights assist a group of pacifist Mandalorians who admire and love the Jedi Knights against an evil Mandalorian faction of expanionist warlords. Which doesn't fit her idea that Mandalorians loathe the Jedi.
Remember, to be a good person, you need to never ever use the Force.

Because it turns you evil.


Boba Fett was sheer bloody joy to write, of course; my Mando boys never let me down. Getting into Jedi heads was that much harder. But I swore I could get into the most repellent characters' heads and see them as they see themselves, so I had to. I still wouldn't trust the Jedi Council with my wallet, let alone with running my country, but you won't spot that in the books. I keep my spoonbenderist views to myself.


I see Vader as a tragic character who's been betrayed by everyone, and I can't help thinking of the Jedi as self-serving unelected elitist spoon-benders making whoopee on Republic taxpayers' credits. It's an iconoclastic journo world-view. Believe me, Order 66 was long overdue. I have a couple of Jedi that I don't want to shoot on sight, but they're my own creations, so I could make them a little humbler and more aware of the consequences they create for others.
....there is no emotion there is peace....there is no emotion there is peace....there is no emotion there is peace....there is no emotion there is.....FUCK THIS SHIT!
 

theunderbolt

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Ah Traviss words cannot express my feelings about her. Sure the Jedi had reached the point where while they weren't corrupt they had stagnated. And if anything compared to the rest of the Republic army most of the Jedi generals treated their clones with respect and some even befriended them.
 

foesjoe

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To be honest, I never understood her giant lady-boner for the Mandalorians.

The most famous and 'badass' of them was so badass he got killed by a blind man who'd just come out of a six months long stint as a wall ornament.

That's quite pathetic.

In the KotOR games, the Mandalorians come across as an unsympathetic bunch of warmongers, who only care about glory found in battle. As if such a thing exists.

Like Yoda said: "Wars not make one great."

And she killed off Mara Jade. As a giant Mara Jade fanboy, I can never forgive that.
 

Ordo

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Just watched the first episode of season 5.

Kenobi was on his A game during that fight against Maul and Savage. Outnumbered and overpowered he managed to escape and take Savage's arm in the process. Hell, had Anakin been there it might of beebn 'Lights out' for the Sith Brothers.
 

mario_zx

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You know something that I always found interesting was that the Jedi never fully practiced what they preached. They constantly preached about finding balance in life but when you actually look at it they don't really practice it. For them it is all about serving the force and never letting your emotions out, but part of balancing life is being able to know when to keep your emotions in and knowing when to let them out which ironically for all their preaching of balance they don't seem to go along with.
 

Ordo

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mario_zx said:
You know something that I always found interesting was that the Jedi never fully practiced what they preached. They constantly preached about finding balance in life but when you actually look at it they don't really practice it. For them it is all about serving the force and never letting your emotions out, but part of balancing life is being able to know when to keep your emotions in and knowing when to let them out which ironically for all their preaching of balance they don't seem to go along with.
The Jedi and the Sith have some similarities to the Vorlons and the Shadows. After centuries of coming into conflict with one another they've both lost their way to a degree. The Jedi (via dedicating themselves to service) haven't fallen as far as the Sith, but do have some problems of their own.

As one person put it, Neither the Sith or the Jedi view is balanced....but the Jedi are less unwise.
 

tigros40208

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Ordo said:
mario_zx said:
You know something that I always found interesting was that the Jedi never fully practiced what they preached. They constantly preached about finding balance in life but when you actually look at it they don't really practice it. For them it is all about serving the force and never letting your emotions out, but part of balancing life is being able to know when to keep your emotions in and knowing when to let them out which ironically for all their preaching of balance they don't seem to go along with.
The Jedi and the Sith have some similarities to the Vorlons and the Shadows. After centuries of coming into conflict with one another they've both lost their way to a degree. The Jedi (via dedicating themselves to service) haven't fallen as far as the Sith, but do have some problems of their own.

As one person put it, Neither the Sith or the Jedi view is balanced....but the Jedi are less unwise.
We talked about this earlier in the thread I think. About how Anakin is supposed to bring balance back to the force, but when you think of it hasn't the Jedi been the dominant force over the last few centuries. Really if he is to bring balance back then his role as Vader was forseeable.
 

Ordo

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I just finished the latest episode. The fact that Anakin was all for helping and training the 'Rebels' was rather hilarious. As IGN put it, he'll sigh mechanically over that one later in life.

Beyond that it was a solid training episode that had Ashoka dealing with her feelings for Lux. It was nice to see that Lux had landed on his feet, and I like Steele (that name keeps cropping up in Star Wars). I have some concerns about Saw, but hopefully they'll prove unfounded.
 

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<a href='http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-5-episode-16-the-lawless' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Lawless</a>

Watching the Emperor take on Maul and Savage is the highlight of the season so far....hell it might be the highlight of the series. It was most entertaining watching the Dark Lord of the Sith clean house with his own two blades.
 

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Bariss.....I am VERY dissapointed.

Jedi Council...way to have the back of one of your own....

Ashoka...it's...for the best, and who knows perhaps you'll survive beyond Order 66.

Anakin...I begin to understand WHY you distrusted the council so much.

Jedi Council.....way to gift warp Anakin for the Emperor guys....
 

tigros40208

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The more and more that I see of Clone Wars the more I want them to say fuck canon and go off on thier own tangent. One where Anakin finally gets fed up with the council and leaves. Have they announced a new season let? Someone was telling me this was the Series finale, they had canceled it.
 

Ordo

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Disney owns it now so it might be going over to their Channel and leaving Cartoon Network.

Kim Possible: Welcome aboard Ashoka!
 

TheKinginRed

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I'm actually pissed off. Barriss was cool, both in her previous appearance on the series and in the book series she featured in.

Now, that's been essentially made non-canon. Fuck you Lucas.
 

DhampyrX2

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Supposedly there will be a sixth season and Ahsoka will still be in it. The Supervising Director for the show was quoted saying Clone Wars started with Ahsoka and it will end with her.

Which honestly kind of depresses me because it might be her death sentence. This gets her away from Anakin so he won't snap seeing her get killed. I figure this is game over for her on Palpatine's orders in Season Six. Either that on Ventress finishes her off and you finally have a reason why Anakin was so apeshit about killing Ventress in the first Clone Wars series.
 

Prince Charon

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There's already a fic out (was posted yesterday, in fact) that has a good explanation for Barriss's actions, even including her betrayal of Ahsoka - and it reasonably extrapolates from canon behavior (the only bits that might be made up could plausibly be produced by Barriss's post-traumatic stress).

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9062441/1/A-Matter-of-Time' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>A Matter of Time</a>
"This Republic is failing. It is only a matter of time." In the aftermath of The Wrong Jedi hero and villain alike deal with the fallout and wonder what the future has in store.
Rated: Fiction K+ - English - Tragedy/Sci-Fi - Barriss O. & E. Palpatine - Chapters: 2 - Words: 4,081 - Reviews: 2 - Favs: 3 - Follows: 2 - Updated: 03-03-13 - Published: 03-02-13 - id: 9062441

Chapter two follows Ahsoka's thoughts on recent events.
 

Ordo

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DhampyrX2 said:
Supposedly there will be a sixth season and Ahsoka will still be in it.? The Supervising Director for the show was quoted saying Clone Wars started with Ahsoka and it will end with her.
How Ominous

Well maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put her in the next Kingdom hearts game.

Which honestly kind of depresses me because it might be her death sentence.á This gets her away from Anakin so he won't snap seeing her get killed.á I figure this is game over for her on Palpatine's orders in Season Six.á Either that on Ventress finishes her off and you finally have a reason why Anakin was so apeshit about killing Ventress in the first Clone Wars series.
Her death has always been the most likely outcome. That said this does give us Fanfiction writers a nice divergence point. What if Ashoka had stayed with the Order, deciding that the only way to make things better was to work from within? Could that singular decision alter the future?

Or....what if she went to work for Padme as her personal bodyguard/Head of Security. Anakin would certainly sleep easier knowing his former apprentice and a Jedi Knight in all the ways that count is watching over his wife.

Edit:
Heh, the IGN reviewer seems more optimistic than I am.

ItÆll be interesting seeing where The Clone Wars goes from here (Yes, work is underway on Season 6, even though there still hasn't been an official announcement about whether, as presumed, it's moving to Disney XD or not). I doubt this is the last weÆve seen of Ahsoka on this seriesà yet if it were, we do have an answer for why sheÆs not in Revenge of the Sith, and why she would have likely survived Order 66... As a non-Jedi, she wouldnÆt have been targeted!

So, as of now, that means she could be out there, somewhere in the Star Wars universeà If only they were making new Star Wars movies, including standalone films, that could possibly include her!

Wait, whatÆs that you say?
 

KageX

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Well it's official. <a href='http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/11/star-wars-the-clone-wars-ends-as-an-ongoing-series-while-detours-is-delayed' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Clone Wars has been cancelled.</a> And Detours has been delayed "indefinitely".

Looks like Star Wars is done on TV for awhile, as it is assumed that the remaining already produced episodes of Clone Wars will be "sold" as "Movies" or air as Specials instead. Future endeavors may follow this format as well.

God Fucking Dammit! sums this up quite nicely.
 

Ordo

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KageX said:
Well it's official. <a href='http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/11/star-wars-the-clone-wars-ends-as-an-ongoing-series-while-detours-is-delayed' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Clone Wars has been cancelled.</a> And Detours has been delayed "indefinitely".

Looks like Star Wars is done on TV for awhile, as it is assumed that the remaining already produced episodes of Clone Wars will be "sold" as "Movies" or air as Specials instead. Future endeavors may follow this format as well.

God Fucking Dammit! sums this up quite nicely.
You know what, I'm not that bummed about this. Having the series end with Ashoka leaving the Jedi Order works for me as a fan and fanfic writer. Since her fate is uncertain it means we could (in theory) tell more stories about her after Order 66.

Also....I'm really not going to cry over the loss of Star Wars: Detours.
 

tigros40208

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WTF? WTF is CN going to have on thier channel now? It seems like every show on there that I watch just gets cancelled. I know they are supposed to bring back Teen Titans but I really wonder how well they will do that show. Probaly give it a season and boot it too.
 

Ordo

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Dave Filoni had this to say on Ashoka:

"One of the goals I always had for her was to have her become the one that walks away," Filoni explains, "the one that realizes that you have the left and the right of things, you have the Separatists, you have the Republic, and at the end of the day you can make a decision to say, 'This is ridiculous. I'm not for this. Both sides are wrong and I see it.'

"That's a pretty brave choice for her to make, and that's a statement about how Anakin trained her and even Obi-Wan's influence on her that she takes this middle path as a way to giving people another option."
 
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