Off-topic, I realize that it looks incredibly lame for me to piss and moan like this, but I feel justified in making some reply to the above.
In no specific order:
4.) I came up with my idea exclusively for the point of being able to say "I went ahead and actually TRIED to come up with something" so that I could tell you this without fear of "k thx bai whatever you say doesn't count because you're lazy and didn't think of anything".
I will note that if you believe me to have given such a response at any point in this thread, you need to reread.
Actually from what I understand and have observed of fusions, they are when you have two universes that were seperate and make so either they now merge or recon it so that they were always merged. A crossover would be having one or more characters from one universe go into the other. Your idea fits neither of these definitions.
Both of these describe crossovers. The second simply requires less actual background design on the part of the author than the first.
Refer to:
http://www.rakhal.com/FFIndex/ranlgnd.shtml
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The more general definition of a fusion as adopted by the FFML between the late 90's and the early 2000's -- and subsequently by the fanfiction communities that I've been a part of (Delphi, Neo-Delpi, Soulriders, etc.) -- is "any storyline in which the characters or circumstances of two series are directly combined." A crossover is if said characters and circumstances remain their own distinct entities within the shared continuity of a fic that doesn't directly fuse the seperate event sequences of the combined series. Ergo, if Ranma turns out to be Sailor Moon, and Akane is Mercury, that's a fusion. If Ranma *meets* Sailor Moon, that's a crossover. Similarity of fused series is not a requirement -- there's nobody that's going to claim that Sailor Moon and Ranma are inherently similar series
You're playing "fusions" by a different system of terminology than standard. This isn't me making up a random definition from scratch -- as far as I'm concerned, it's been around and in general use for a long time.
Whether my concept is decent or in good or bad taste is a completely different issue from whether or not it's a fusion.
2.) Your idea is like Naruto Highschool - It takes the Naruto elements away from Naruto and slaps a handful of characters with looks and names like those we know from Naruto into a setting they have no right being in, for they are out of place.
So, exactly which elements from Naruto are missing?
There are ninjas who use canon ninjutsu, and a boy struggling with alienation that hates him. Is he a ninja? Yes. Does he go on missions as a genin? Yes. Does he have the Kyuubi sealed within him? After the main storyline begins, yes, though this isn't the justification for his stigma.
Event sequences like the canon Chuunin exam and the Wave Country would obviously be missing, owing to divergent event sequences. Perhaps Naruto goes to Sound Village to attend an exam interrupted by Morino Ibiki's team?
I assume that surface elements like character appearance and the use of ninjutsu aren't enough to convince you that this is Naruto -- so what about personality? Is he a cheerful boy who believes that he can make the world a better place by following his nindo and making friends while having adventures? Depending on how it's written, yes, even if he's committed a certain amount of evil that eats at him ...
Certainly, the concept posting doesn't go into sufficient detail on his personality, but what is it with this immediate assumption that he would be an OC with Naruto's name and looks? At what point do we judge that he definitely wouldn't be a Naruto, and that he's just some OC who has traits from both Naruto and Suzaku but is neither? How do you make that judgment call? Because it *is* indeed just a short concept posting, there really isn't enough detail for anyone to make the claim either way. But then, if I were simply renaming Geass characters with random names from Naruto, wouldn't there be absolutely no point in localizing all these aspects of the background? It would be entirely moot and meaningless.
To make my implied subtext as obvious as it should have been, then: The only point there could be in doing a fusion with Naruto as both the protagonist and "Suzaku" is that I am disequivilating *role* with the *character* -- a character may move through an analogue of the actions of another without *being* that other person. By this reasoning, if there's anything critical that *should* be missing from the Code Geass aspect of the fic, it's the personalities. Certainly, Sasuke is playing Lelouch's role, but he's not the main character, and he mustn't be Lelouch. Orochimaru is not Emperor Britannia -- he's still some pedophilic scumbag with an obsession for immortality who performs illegal medical experiments; the only real difference from canon here is that he's more aggressive and expansionist. Morino Ibiki is not Todo -- he is a jounin-ranked missing nin who specializes interrogation and psychological warfare, not an ace Knightmare Frame pilot. And though Naruto plays the role of an antagonist from Geass canon, can he not be a hero with a flaw here?
We've covered Naruto, so let's take it more directly from the Code Geass side. What's missing besides? For one, giant robots. And? Setting, possibly, as primarily the surface circumstances and feel of the environs in which the fic takes place are taken directly from Naruto -- there is no high technology, and no giant solar panels that power everything, and certainly no monorails or internet.
However, instead of the canonically vague and undefined national conflicts within Naruto canon, you have a rendition of the political situation faced by Lelouch in Code Geass -- minus a bit of the racial issue, but that's okay. People have killed for far more superficial things than genetic heritage. When you eliminate all the fluff from Code Geass, isn't that the core of it? The interplay of ideologies regarding percieved nationality and race and social and national conflict?
As the Naruto characters are not the people they play the roles of, the events that precipitate of their personalities interacting and the justifications of their actions may not be the same. The plot may drastically diverge from Code Geass, despite progressing in roughly the same spirit.
For example, Naruto may not have killed Minato in quite the same circumstances that Suzaku does Genbu. Minato is the Hokage, and he is not paid to be a nice person -- he's paid to do whatever it takes protect the interests of Fire Nation. Naively, Naruto cannot comprehend his father's reasoning and sees only a man who has become seemingly obsessed with violence. Not understanding, he argues -- when it gets out of hand, he attacks his father and gets a lucky shot in, because Minato isn't expecting his son to do anything lethal ... etc. I admit this is extremely rough and somewhat strainful on suspension of disbelief, but it's the sort of thing I would be aiming for.
Compare this against the typical Naruto High School concept, whereby Naruto is a suburban teenager with roughly the canon personality but no ninjutsu or Kyuubi, from a setting indistinguishable from "somewhere in North America." I think there are some clear differences. "Slapping" the names of the characters on a bunch of OCs is a somewhat less involved and time-consuming.
So, I'm asking again -- what is missing from either canon? If you can clearly point out something I haven't already noted above, I would be obliged. I am not saying this to be sarcastic. My point here is
not to defend my concept as being at all good. I simply believe that your arguments against it are of questionable validity. Am I indeed altogether dropping or paying no attention to large, critical parts of either source canon?
1.) Some series are not meant to be crossed over with each over. One of these XOs is Geass/Naruto. You can not make series that fundamentally different come together by hacking off their legs and then sewing the stumps together in hopes of them not bleeding to death messily, which they invariably will
3.) Please, it hurts me to agree with immolo, but there is a reason your idea isn't well-received anywhere. It's because you forcibly try to mash fandoms together that ARE NOT MEANT to be crossovered. It has nothing to do with you as a person, but with the idea. It's just not good.
These two arguments are largely identical, and I will reply to them as one.
First:
As I said, in general, similarity of series is not a qualifier for whether a fusion can be made; it simply makes it easier.
Second:
I agree that it's a valid opinion that the series in question should not be merged. However, it shouldn't be "justified" for the reasons thus far listed, and immolo's "this is a shitty idea" amounts only to what is described in
this rule thread. If it doesn't agree with your tastes, simply say so and we can move on to something on-topic and more constructive.
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