Nasuverse Fate/Gathering Night
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OTOH some people would say that those skills are a direct product of UBW and his Sword origin, but honestly those points are rather moot and GH can do whatever he wants with his story if he can work it into the mixed universe.
t: and the Imprinting that shirou goes trough can give us many oportunities, i really don't know where i came with this idea, but Shirou being inspired by Niv, or hell even Gilgamesh to put something like <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLKsizVi_oY&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> on the Nasuverse
t: and the Imprinting that shirou goes trough can give us many oportunities, i really don't know where i came with this idea, but Shirou being inspired by Niv, or hell even Gilgamesh to put something like <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLKsizVi_oY&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> on the Nasuverse
shioran toushin said:
OTOH some people would say that those skills are a direct product of UBW and his Sword origin, but honestly those points are rather moot and GH can do whatever he wants with his story if he can work it into the mixed universe.
t: and the Imprinting that shirou goes trough can give us many oportunities, i really don't know where i came with this idea, but Shirou being inspired by Niv, or hell even Gilgamesh to put something like <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLKsizVi_oY&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> on the Nasuverse
t: and the Imprinting that shirou goes trough can give us many oportunities, i really don't know where i came with this idea, but Shirou being inspired by Niv, or hell even Gilgamesh to put something like <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLKsizVi_oY&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> on the Nasuverse
I just love the quote on Mizzium Transreliquat, for the record.
"What is it? Um . . . what do you want it to be?"
(for the uninitiated, Mizzium Transreliquat, and Mizzium in general, has the innate property of copying exactly any other item at its user's whim, down to its exact properties - yes, that includes mimicking Darksteel's 'hahaha indestructible' property. Basically, it's Shirou's tracing in artifact form, which is why I suggested the possibility of Niv-Mizzet making up for lacking both Avalon and white magic to heal him post-fire by using Mizzium to partly rebuild his body - the metal is so close to the nature of his Tracing that it'd be almost natural to invoke its properties, if you believe Tracing to be the result of Shirou's own affinity with artifice).
that was why i put the t: it really came to me after reading a one-shot of HP that parodied the Genie!Jaffar Vs. Genie with "you are only second Rate" and tought "how it would go if Shirou succesfully pulled off that?"
latter i realized that it would go better if i posted that in the Misc topic, but i'm lazy.
so Avalon is classified as part white in this verse? nice.
Red/White with a touch of black?
t: it really came to me after reading a one-shot of HP that parodied the Genie!Jaffar Vs. Genie with "you are only second Rate" and tought "how it would go if Shirou succesfully pulled off that?"latter i realized that it would go better if i posted that in the Misc topic, but i'm lazy.
so Avalon is classified as part white in this verse? nice.
Red/White with a touch of black?
shioran toushin said:
that was why i put the t: it really came to me after reading a one-shot of HP that parodied the Genie!Jaffar Vs. Genie with "you are only second Rate" and tought "how it would go if Shirou succesfully pulled off that?"
latter i realized that it would go better if i posted that in the Misc topic, but i'm lazy.
so Avalon is classified as part white in this verse? nice.
Red/White with a touch of black?
t: it really came to me after reading a one-shot of HP that parodied the Genie!Jaffar Vs. Genie with "you are only second Rate" and tought "how it would go if Shirou succesfully pulled off that?"latter i realized that it would go better if i posted that in the Misc topic, but i'm lazy.
so Avalon is classified as part white in this verse? nice.
Red/White with a touch of black?
Those aren't red/black at ALL. Thats the very definition of a defensive "remove from game temporarily" mechanic, which are the almost exclusive domains of white (Exile - remove from the game) and blue (Phasing-which is exile until your next upkeep, when it returns it gets haste until en of turn but it was a standing ability: it phases IN one upkeep then OUT again the next upkeep, made some VERY confusing games when it felt like you played two different games on alternating turns. Though Scheherazade was SO much worse).
Gah, now you have me attempting to work Excalibur ad Avalon into existing MTG game mechanics.
Avalon by itself wouldn't be a very useful equip, actually, but it would end up being BROKEN when implemented as a combo equip set.
..no wait, it really wouldn't. it WOULD however be a really nasty staling tactic.
After all, Avalon makes it impossible for you to be targetted and attacked, But you can't do jack shit when using it either.
Excalibur would be a set's generic legendary weapon though, usually a +5/+5 monstrosity, for a ridiculous 5 or six mana, but it would HAVE to be a color artifact, though (w/B) because it can be corrupted outright
Thing is a holy blade, after all.
Excalibur (3)(W/B)(W/B)
Legendary Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has first strike
(Excaliblast)(10xW/B must be all of the same color ): Equipped creature deals 10 damage to a target creature or player.
(+5/+5)
Equip (5)
Avalon (3)(U)(U)
Legendary Artifact - Equipment
Flash (this spell can be played as an instant)
Upon entering the battlefield, you may attach to a target creature for (0): Regenerate equipped creature
Equipped creature has Haste and Vigilance
(To the distant Utopia)
When Equipped creature is also equipped with Excalibur, on your turn before your attack phase you may pay (6)(U)(U)(W)(W), Exile equipped creature and all cards equipped to it from the game until the beginning of your next turn: Skip your next attack phase. You may not be the target of spells and abilities until your next turn. Opponents cannot attack you until after your next turn (they may still attack your plainswalkers).
When Exiled creature returns to the battlefield Excalibur and Avalon will return still equipped.
Equip (5)
AttachU)(U)(U)(U)(U)
Meh, needs a lot of work, though. also, just not a obviously useful ability if we remain faithful to how it was used in fsn.
Gah, now you have me attempting to work Excalibur ad Avalon into existing MTG game mechanics.
Avalon by itself wouldn't be a very useful equip, actually, but it would end up being BROKEN when implemented as a combo equip set.
..no wait, it really wouldn't. it WOULD however be a really nasty staling tactic.
After all, Avalon makes it impossible for you to be targetted and attacked, But you can't do jack shit when using it either.
Excalibur would be a set's generic legendary weapon though, usually a +5/+5 monstrosity, for a ridiculous 5 or six mana, but it would HAVE to be a color artifact, though (w/B) because it can be corrupted outright
Thing is a holy blade, after all.
Excalibur (3)(W/B)(W/B)
Legendary Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature has first strike
(Excaliblast)(10xW/B must be all of the same color ): Equipped creature deals 10 damage to a target creature or player.
(+5/+5)
Equip (5)
Avalon (3)(U)(U)
Legendary Artifact - Equipment
Flash (this spell can be played as an instant)
Upon entering the battlefield, you may attach to a target creature for (0): Regenerate equipped creature
Equipped creature has Haste and Vigilance
(To the distant Utopia)
When Equipped creature is also equipped with Excalibur, on your turn before your attack phase you may pay (6)(U)(U)(W)(W), Exile equipped creature and all cards equipped to it from the game until the beginning of your next turn: Skip your next attack phase. You may not be the target of spells and abilities until your next turn. Opponents cannot attack you until after your next turn (they may still attack your plainswalkers).
When Exiled creature returns to the battlefield Excalibur and Avalon will return still equipped.
Equip (5)
Attach
U)(U)(U)(U)(U)Meh, needs a lot of work, though. also, just not a obviously useful ability if we remain faithful to how it was used in fsn.
Wasn't the sword Saber Alter was using Caliburn and not Excalibur?
Healing mostly doesn't matter, in Magic the Gathering all damage that isn't outright lethal is automatically healed at end of turn. The lore handwaves it as the Planeswalkers restoring any creature that's still alive to full health en-masse to reuse them.
Best way to use Avalon is to simply have it remove the equipped creature from the game, as suggested. That stops most forms of offense, barring Split Second spells, but it makes sense that it'd be powerless against those - Split Second spells are supposed to be faster-than-instant-speed, to the point even Planeswalkers can't react to them. And Avalon's ability is still activated... so it can simply be outdone by Split Second.
As for Excalibur, I'd have a built in Lightning Helix of sorts. Basically, something like WWWRRR, Unequip Excalibur: It does 10 damage to target creature and you gain 10 life.
Healing mostly doesn't matter, in Magic the Gathering all damage that isn't outright lethal is automatically healed at end of turn. The lore handwaves it as the Planeswalkers restoring any creature that's still alive to full health en-masse to reuse them.
Best way to use Avalon is to simply have it remove the equipped creature from the game, as suggested. That stops most forms of offense, barring Split Second spells, but it makes sense that it'd be powerless against those - Split Second spells are supposed to be faster-than-instant-speed, to the point even Planeswalkers can't react to them. And Avalon's ability is still activated... so it can simply be outdone by Split Second.
As for Excalibur, I'd have a built in Lightning Helix of sorts. Basically, something like WWWRRR, Unequip Excalibur: It does 10 damage to target creature and you gain 10 life.
no, all Arthur Sabers have Excalibur:
Alter: Corrupted Excalibur via Angra Mainyu
Normal: Excalibur
Protp: another Excalibut that somehow worked a little different
Lily: IDK, i suppose that she either has Caliburn or Excalibur (the games show Caliburn but IDK)
the reason was that Caliburn was broken somehow and beyond the games there is only one instace of it being shown: Fate!Shirou traced it.
and caliburn was just broken, it may not have the HAX barrier that Avalon had, or the Beam of DOOM, but it had a 'lesser' version of both.
Alter: Corrupted Excalibur via Angra Mainyu
Normal: Excalibur
Protp: another Excalibut that somehow worked a little different
Lily: IDK, i suppose that she either has Caliburn or Excalibur (the games show Caliburn but IDK)
the reason was that Caliburn was broken somehow and beyond the games there is only one instace of it being shown: Fate!Shirou traced it.
and caliburn was just broken, it may not have the HAX barrier that Avalon had, or the Beam of DOOM, but it had a 'lesser' version of both.
In that case, you'll want separate versions. It happens in-universe with legendary stuff, mostly creatures but no reason for it to not affect equipment.
Cases in point were Rorix Bladewing (which came back after death as the undead Bladewing the Risen) and especially Kamahl's sister Jeska (who became Phage the Untouchable after being corrupted).
There's also Glissa Sunseeker, whom Phyrexia's influence turned into Glissa the Traitor.
And that's ignoring all the Planar Chaos alternate legends like Braids, Crovax, Mirri and Akroma.
Cases in point were Rorix Bladewing (which came back after death as the undead Bladewing the Risen) and especially Kamahl's sister Jeska (who became Phage the Untouchable after being corrupted).
There's also Glissa Sunseeker, whom Phyrexia's influence turned into Glissa the Traitor.
And that's ignoring all the Planar Chaos alternate legends like Braids, Crovax, Mirri and Akroma.
By the way, I got curious and looked up all Izzet-related cards in Magic.
<a href='http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&output=spoiler&method=visual&special=true&mark=+' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/D...ial=true&mark=+</a> [%22Izzet%22]
(remove the space at the end.)
This is basically all the staple creature and spells in the Izzet guild - that is, the ones unique to them. It's a very interesting mix of offense, defense and support. Even with just those, a case could be made for Shirou not really needing a Servant at all - he can turn freaking mountains into creatures!
<a href='http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&output=spoiler&method=visual&special=true&mark=+' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/D...ial=true&mark=+</a> [%22Izzet%22]
(remove the space at the end.)
This is basically all the staple creature and spells in the Izzet guild - that is, the ones unique to them. It's a very interesting mix of offense, defense and support. Even with just those, a case could be made for Shirou not really needing a Servant at all - he can turn freaking mountains into creatures!
