Nasuverse [FSN] Centralized Random Idea Thread

[MastaofBitches]

Most Servants would lose to Herakles, but the fact of the matter is a so-called "underpowered" Servant with practically no one aware of his legend wrecked almost half of the lives he had in stock. It was to the point where even Herakles wanted a proper rematch against EMIYA, because he was that impressed with his skill.

As a warrior, EMIYA is plenty powerful and dangerous. As a person, though, he leaves a bit to be desired.

Aside from Gilgamesh, EMIYA is the only person with a realistic chance of taking more than one life. Herakles can't be killed the same way twice, so the Multitude of NP's both possess are his worst match ups. That said, Caster and Lancer were both able to put him on the defensive, with Lancer ready to deliver the final blow.

I won't says he's weak, but he's arrogant, condescending and really not suited to teamwork, nor is he someone to trust your back to. He's loyal to himself, first and foremost.

I don't like him, and I can't see why others would, outside of romanticizing him, but that's their opinion, and they're welcome to it.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Odd. I never heard of anyone who hated him. Why?

Mostly his attitude. He talks down to just about everyone, without the strength to back it up like Gilgamesh can. Also, betraying all his allies isn't a particularly positive trait. Nor is attacking an unarmed opponent from behind.

He just rubs me the wrong way. I didn't mind him too much in Fate, but UBW really soured my opinion on him and I just ignore HF on principal.

He does have the power to back it up. Mother fucking Herakles lost 5 lives to the guy before he could pull his Reality Marble. And stabbing an unarmed opponent is just pragmatic. But yes, the betrayal was a pretty dick move no mater his motives.

Except he still lost. As far as I can recall, he doesn't actually win any on screen fights.

He doesn't win because most of those fights never finish, but he usually holds his own pretty well. Also he kinda got surprised shanked by Saber on his second appearance, which only makes his future battles a bit more impressive, since he has an unhealed wound for every battle after that.

As for the point of the matter you were making about him being one of the few to kill him multiple times because lotsa phantasms, caster has debuffs everywhere on her home turf and can danmak mostly out of reach, and Lancer is just awesome like that. Taking one life from Herakles is hard enough but the fact of the matter is he survived going toe to toe with him long enough to take five one at a time.

 

[MastaofBitches]

Odd. I never heard of anyone who hated him. Why?

Mostly his attitude. He talks down to just about everyone, without the strength to back it up like Gilgamesh can. Also, betraying all his allies isn't a particularly positive trait. Nor is attacking an unarmed opponent from behind.

He just rubs me the wrong way. I didn't mind him too much in Fate, but UBW really soured my opinion on him and I just ignore HF on principal.

He does have the power to back it up. Mother fucking Herakles lost 5 lives to the guy before he could pull his Reality Marble. And stabbing an unarmed opponent is just pragmatic. But yes, the betrayal was a pretty dick move no mater his motives.

Except he still lost. As far as I can recall, he doesn't actually win any on screen fights.

He doesn't win because most of those fights never finish, but he usually holds his own pretty well. Also he kinda got surprised shanked by Saber on his second appearance, which only makes his future battles a bit more impressive, since he has an unhealed wound for every battle after that.

As for the point of the matter you were making about him being one of the few to kill him multiple times because lotsa phantasms, caster has debuffs everywhere on her home turf and can danmak mostly out of reach, and Lancer is just awesome like that. Taking one life from Herakles is hard enough but the fact of the matter is he survived going toe to toe with him long enough to take five one at a time.

Like I said, he's not weak, but he is uniquely suited to beating God Hand, because no other servant has the amount of variety needed. However, I also don't believe he's as strong as his fandom likes to make out he is. As I recall, the injury only occurs in the Fate route.

And none of that really excuses his pretty rotten personality.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Mostly his attitude. He talks down to just about everyone, without the strength to back it up like Gilgamesh can. Also, betraying all his allies isn't a particularly positive trait. Nor is attacking an unarmed opponent from behind.

He just rubs me the wrong way. I didn't mind him too much in Fate, but UBW really soured my opinion on him and I just ignore HF on principal.

He does have the power to back it up. Mother fucking Herakles lost 5 lives to the guy before he could pull his Reality Marble. And stabbing an unarmed opponent is just pragmatic. But yes, the betrayal was a pretty dick move no mater his motives.

Except he still lost. As far as I can recall, he doesn't actually win any on screen fights.

He doesn't win because most of those fights never finish, but he usually holds his own pretty well. Also he kinda got surprised shanked by Saber on his second appearance, which only makes his future battles a bit more impressive, since he has an unhealed wound for every battle after that.

As for the point of the matter you were making about him being one of the few to kill him multiple times because lotsa phantasms, caster has debuffs everywhere on her home turf and can danmak mostly out of reach, and Lancer is just awesome like that. Taking one life from Herakles is hard enough but the fact of the matter is he survived going toe to toe with him long enough to take five one at a time.

Like I said, he's not weak, but he is uniquely suited to beating God Hand, because no other servant has the amount of variety needed. However, I also don't believe he's as strong as his fandom likes to make out he is. As I recall, the injury only occurs in the Fate route.

And none of that really excuses his pretty rotten personality.

I'm not excusing it, Im just saying his Arrogance isn't entirely unwarranted because unlike someone like Shinji he can actually back it up if push comes to shove. Besides that arrogance is a combination of general bitterness/cynicism and being a troll. It's a personality you can take or leave, my point was just defending that he wasn't as weak as you were making him out to be. He's not top teir like others make him out to be, but he's far from a weak Servant.

 

[MastaofBitches]

He does have the power to back it up. Mother fucking Herakles lost 5 lives to the guy before he could pull his Reality Marble. And stabbing an unarmed opponent is just pragmatic. But yes, the betrayal was a pretty dick move no mater his motives.

Except he still lost. As far as I can recall, he doesn't actually win any on screen fights.

He doesn't win because most of those fights never finish, but he usually holds his own pretty well. Also he kinda got surprised shanked by Saber on his second appearance, which only makes his future battles a bit more impressive, since he has an unhealed wound for every battle after that.

As for the point of the matter you were making about him being one of the few to kill him multiple times because lotsa phantasms, caster has debuffs everywhere on her home turf and can danmak mostly out of reach, and Lancer is just awesome like that. Taking one life from Herakles is hard enough but the fact of the matter is he survived going toe to toe with him long enough to take five one at a time.

Like I said, he's not weak, but he is uniquely suited to beating God Hand, because no other servant has the amount of variety needed. However, I also don't believe he's as strong as his fandom likes to make out he is. As I recall, the injury only occurs in the Fate route.

And none of that really excuses his pretty rotten personality.

I'm not excusing it, Im just saying his Arrogance isn't entirely unwarranted because unlike someone like Shinji he can actually back it up if push comes to shove. Besides that arrogance is a combination of general bitterness/cynicism and being a troll. It's a personality you can take or leave, my point was just defending that he wasn't as weak as you were making him out to be. He's not top teir like others make him out to be, but he's far from a weak Servant.

Again, I never said he was. But the arrogance he shows is unfounded, when he is among the weakest servants summoned for the war. He's certainly stronger than a restrained Rider, and has the range advantage against Sasaki. He's also certainly capable of dealing with True Assassin.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Except he still lost. As far as I can recall, he doesn't actually win any on screen fights.

He doesn't win because most of those fights never finish, but he usually holds his own pretty well. Also he kinda got surprised shanked by Saber on his second appearance, which only makes his future battles a bit more impressive, since he has an unhealed wound for every battle after that.

As for the point of the matter you were making about him being one of the few to kill him multiple times because lotsa phantasms, caster has debuffs everywhere on her home turf and can danmak mostly out of reach, and Lancer is just awesome like that. Taking one life from Herakles is hard enough but the fact of the matter is he survived going toe to toe with him long enough to take five one at a time.

Like I said, he's not weak, but he is uniquely suited to beating God Hand, because no other servant has the amount of variety needed. However, I also don't believe he's as strong as his fandom likes to make out he is. As I recall, the injury only occurs in the Fate route.

And none of that really excuses his pretty rotten personality.

I'm not excusing it, Im just saying his Arrogance isn't entirely unwarranted because unlike someone like Shinji he can actually back it up if push comes to shove. Besides that arrogance is a combination of general bitterness/cynicism and being a troll. It's a personality you can take or leave, my point was just defending that he wasn't as weak as you were making him out to be. He's not top teir like others make him out to be, but he's far from a weak Servant.

Again, I never said he was. But the arrogance he shows is unfounded, when he is among the weakest servants summoned for the war. He's certainly stronger than a restrained Rider, and has the range advantage against Sasaki. He's also certainly capable of dealing with True Assassin.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine.

There certainly was a gulf in Tierlevel there wasn't there?

You got two OPs in Gil and Herk.
Two top of the line servants in Arturia and Lancer
Then you got the mid tier of Archer and Rider.
False Assassin was difficult but awesome with the right buffs and support.
At the bottom you have True Assassin.
and then you have the meta-gaming griefer that is Caster.

 

[MastaofBitches]

He doesn't win because most of those fights never finish, but he usually holds his own pretty well. Also he kinda got surprised shanked by Saber on his second appearance, which only makes his future battles a bit more impressive, since he has an unhealed wound for every battle after that.

As for the point of the matter you were making about him being one of the few to kill him multiple times because lotsa phantasms, caster has debuffs everywhere on her home turf and can danmak mostly out of reach, and Lancer is just awesome like that. Taking one life from Herakles is hard enough but the fact of the matter is he survived going toe to toe with him long enough to take five one at a time.

Like I said, he's not weak, but he is uniquely suited to beating God Hand, because no other servant has the amount of variety needed. However, I also don't believe he's as strong as his fandom likes to make out he is. As I recall, the injury only occurs in the Fate route.

And none of that really excuses his pretty rotten personality.

I'm not excusing it, Im just saying his Arrogance isn't entirely unwarranted because unlike someone like Shinji he can actually back it up if push comes to shove. Besides that arrogance is a combination of general bitterness/cynicism and being a troll. It's a personality you can take or leave, my point was just defending that he wasn't as weak as you were making him out to be. He's not top teir like others make him out to be, but he's far from a weak Servant.

Again, I never said he was. But the arrogance he shows is unfounded, when he is among the weakest servants summoned for the war. He's certainly stronger than a restrained Rider, and has the range advantage against Sasaki. He's also certainly capable of dealing with True Assassin.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine.

There certainly was a gulf in Tierlevel there wasn't there?

You got two OPs in Gil and Herk.
Two top of the line servants in Arturia and Lancer
Then you got the mid tier of Archer and Rider.
False Assassin was difficult but awesome with the right buffs and support.
At the bottom you have True Assassin.
and then you have the meta-gaming griefer that is Caster.

Caster wouldn't have been as dangerous under her original Master, however. It's also not really fair to include Gil in that assessment, since he wasn't one of the Seven called for that war.

 

[Master of Squirrel-Fu]

Like I said, he's not weak, but he is uniquely suited to beating God Hand, because no other servant has the amount of variety needed. However, I also don't believe he's as strong as his fandom likes to make out he is. As I recall, the injury only occurs in the Fate route.

And none of that really excuses his pretty rotten personality.

I'm not excusing it, Im just saying his Arrogance isn't entirely unwarranted because unlike someone like Shinji he can actually back it up if push comes to shove. Besides that arrogance is a combination of general bitterness/cynicism and being a troll. It's a personality you can take or leave, my point was just defending that he wasn't as weak as you were making him out to be. He's not top teir like others make him out to be, but he's far from a weak Servant.

Again, I never said he was. But the arrogance he shows is unfounded, when he is among the weakest servants summoned for the war. He's certainly stronger than a restrained Rider, and has the range advantage against Sasaki. He's also certainly capable of dealing with True Assassin.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine.

There certainly was a gulf in Tierlevel there wasn't there?

You got two OPs in Gil and Herk.
Two top of the line servants in Arturia and Lancer
Then you got the mid tier of Archer and Rider.
False Assassin was difficult but awesome with the right buffs and support.
At the bottom you have True Assassin.
and then you have the meta-gaming griefer that is Caster.

Caster wouldn't have been as dangerous under her original Master, however. It's also not really fair to include Gil in that assessment, since he wasn't one of the Seven called for that war.

He's the secret boss. Like Twice Pieceman.

 

[MastaofBitches]

I'm not excusing it, Im just saying his Arrogance isn't entirely unwarranted because unlike someone like Shinji he can actually back it up if push comes to shove. Besides that arrogance is a combination of general bitterness/cynicism and being a troll. It's a personality you can take or leave, my point was just defending that he wasn't as weak as you were making him out to be. He's not top teir like others make him out to be, but he's far from a weak Servant.

Again, I never said he was. But the arrogance he shows is unfounded, when he is among the weakest servants summoned for the war. He's certainly stronger than a restrained Rider, and has the range advantage against Sasaki. He's also certainly capable of dealing with True Assassin.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine.

There certainly was a gulf in Tierlevel there wasn't there?

You got two OPs in Gil and Herk.
Two top of the line servants in Arturia and Lancer
Then you got the mid tier of Archer and Rider.
False Assassin was difficult but awesome with the right buffs and support.
At the bottom you have True Assassin.
and then you have the meta-gaming griefer that is Caster.

Caster wouldn't have been as dangerous under her original Master, however. It's also not really fair to include Gil in that assessment, since he wasn't one of the Seven called for that war.

He's the secret boss. Like Twice Pieceman.

That's certainly true.

 

[Leidolf]

Someone in beast lair brought up the concept of crossing Shaman King and Fate Stay Night. It merits further research, but at a superficial level they both have similar plots and narratives and could be crossed-over, right? (Minus the whole dying and then coming back thing they spammed near the end of Shaman King.)

 

[He-who-voted-for-Kodos]

I'll admit, I've thought about a Heroic Spirit Asakura Hao, the King of Shamans, as Caster before, but never really had anything to do with it. Generally, I imagined him having lackluster stats, aside from Mana, which would be approximately "HOLY SHIT" level, and maybe Luck, but making up for it with a bunch of skills and his Noble Phantasms. Skills that are basically just all his abilities as a shaman and Reishi, and then for Noble Phantasms, Chou-Senji Ryakketsu, Zenki and Gouki, and Spirit of Fire as an ace in the hole with such huge requirements it couldn't be used readily. Mostly because the "flames that consume souls" and "eats spirits" things shouldn't be easily available in a battle of Servants.

 

[LazyLurker]

Did more Illya route ideas came up?

 

[seitora]

Crack idea

Gilgamesh and Enkidu do a buddy cop film

 

[MastaofBitches]

Crack idea

Gilgamesh and Enkidu do a buddy cop film

Isn't what the Epic of Gilgamesh basically is in the Nasuverse?

 

[Prince Charon]

Crack idea

Gilgamesh and Enkidu do a buddy cop film

Isn't what the Epic of Gilgamesh basically is in the Nasuverse?

To some degree, that's what they are in the Epic: The ORIGINAL Buddy Cop Film. :snigger:

 

[Rising Dragon]

Here's an idea: the Holy Grail War, a showdown between seven Servants summoned by seven Masters...

... and they duke it out via rap battle.

 

[point09micron_process]

Here's an awful idea: the Holy Grail War, a showdown between seven Servants summoned by seven Masters...

... and they duke it out via rap battle.

For great justice

 

[MastaofBitches]

Here's an idea: the Holy Grail War, a showdown between seven Servants summoned by seven Masters...

... and they duke it out via rap battle.

Certainly, that would be a TRUE Epic Rap Battle of History.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Or the Servants could duke it out with a goddam card game.

 

[point09micron_process]

I clicked that expecting to be sent to a Weis Schwarz website.

 

[bissek]

This would probably turn out really silly if someone actually did it, but given the recent movie and the name similarity, I have to post it:

Ilyasveil Kuryakin, the Mage from U.N.C.L.E.

 

[Prince Charon]

This would probably turn out really silly if someone actually did it, but given the recent movie and the name similarity, I have to post it:

Ilyasveil Kuryakin, the Mage from U.N.C.L.E.

I am amused, and hope to see this expanded.

 

[MastaofBitches]

I wonder if that makes Shirou the mechanic?

 

[bissek]

A far more dangerous possibility of Berserker for Ilya to pull instead of Heracles:

Renne Hayworth, the Angel of Slaughter.
Once they finish bonding over their parental abandonment issues, those two cute little girls will terrify everyone. Renne's first plan of choice for any problem invariably involves pulling that scythe out of nowhere and applying it to the offending party. Plan B is usually calling up her mecha, the Pater-Mater, and applying it to the offending party. If both of those aren't an option, she can come up with some rather clever plans... which she will use to get her enemies into a situation where Plan A or B is valid. A lot of Servants are going to be very surprised.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

Random somewhat-cracky idea.

Shirou somehow gets sent back to King Arthur's court... only to discover that Merlin is both more perverted and even more of a troll than even Saber knew.

Upon arriving, Shirou quickly realises that each and every member of Altria's court are female and under the same disguise magic as she is. However, none of the knights are aware of this; as far as they're all concerned, they're the only one disguising their gender.

The only exception to this is Guinevere. Guin swings both ways, and after multiple seduction attempts that an oblivious Altria never registered, sought comfort with a female Lancelot (who hasn't been told of Altria's true gender.)