Nasuverse [FSN] Centralized Random Idea Thread
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Hmm... to take the crack idea further, when Shirou teleported himself to that timeline, due to a lot of confusion, he becomes Merlin. But, due to his .. unique interpretation of the world, his good natured attempts at helping result in the above scenario. Either that, or he merges with Merlin. Or something ...
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Possible crossover idea: Heavens Failure Shirouko as part of Negi's 2/3-A class.
Premise is that Shirou is basically stuck permanently in Illya's body, so he's now a she, ageing the normal way. Post FSN, Shirouko got caught by the kaleidostick, thus gaining a magical girl transformation and having to clean up the remnants of the HF ritual. So, Shirou advanced for his apparent age, and a 'trainee' magus to boot, which meant he was handpicked for Mahora both for apprenticeship under one of the mages there.
No need for pactio with Shirouko, of course, since she's already magical girl Kaleido (Ruby?).
Premise is that Shirou is basically stuck permanently in Illya's body, so he's now a she, ageing the normal way. Post FSN, Shirouko got caught by the kaleidostick, thus gaining a magical girl transformation and having to clean up the remnants of the HF ritual. So, Shirou advanced for his apparent age, and a 'trainee' magus to boot, which meant he was handpicked for Mahora both for apprenticeship under one of the mages there.
No need for pactio with Shirouko, of course, since she's already magical girl Kaleido (Ruby?).
Interesting, most like the dimension hopping occurred because Ruby got bored of being locked in the attic and Emilya was responsible. So Ruby just takes her someplace more interesting Since this one has Ruby that actually gives her the actual potential growth to stay relevant post magical world if that happens. There's sadly a lack of Emilya stories, which is sad as her characterization is fairly different from Shirou and her appearance tends to change character dynamics from normal Shirou crossovers.
True, sadly. I like the dimension hopping idea. I'd actually be interested to see if Emilya could pick up a more standardized spells compared to Shirou's relative overspecialization.
So it's possible that Emilya has a new element (although the origin undoubtedly remains sword).
Although, imagine Shirouko's face after being forced to introduce herself in classic magical girl style. Probably commenting that this wasn't the type of super hero she wanted to be.
Another idea is that Emilya could play the part of a revised version of the Prisma Illya plotline, picking up the pieces of the Heavens Feel ritual in the form of the class cards (Archer, of course, would retain his rationality and help out, while teasing Shirouko relentlessly).
So it's possible that Emilya has a new element (although the origin undoubtedly remains sword).
Although, imagine Shirouko's face after being forced to introduce herself in classic magical girl style. Probably commenting that this wasn't the type of super hero she wanted to be.
Another idea is that Emilya could play the part of a revised version of the Prisma Illya plotline, picking up the pieces of the Heavens Feel ritual in the form of the class cards (Archer, of course, would retain his rationality and help out, while teasing Shirouko relentlessly).
Random thought time: instead of Kuzuki, it's Taiga that finds Medea and helps her. Now instead of her husbando, Medea is dealing with a well-meaning but childish woman who also happens to be very close to two of the other Masters, one of whom she can't figure out if he's completely unaware of magic or just really, really dense.
Hmm, what if rather then grow up to be a cynical person who was betrayed by his ideals Shirou actually had a happy end achieving his dream with no tragic twist. Then come the canon 5th Grail War Rin summons Archer, not as EMIYA but as Sentai Ranger Sword Kamen! The Sword of Justice! I just find the thought of a justice obsessed large ham running around to be amusing.
This raises another question from me - are there any fics where Taiga is aware of Kiritsugi's magic? Or at least aware of the magi world in general?
On a comic note, lets throw in a twist to the Emiya mansion - its a no-prana zone. Barring the shed where Shirou plays around in, the rest of the mansion (including the grounds) are a region of zero magic. The result of this is that while masters and servants can walk into the zone (raising an alarm if they are un-invited) they can't recognize each other for what they are. This will result in 3 (or 4?) masters - Shirou, Rin, Taiga (possibly Sakura?) living together with their servants (Saber, Archer, Caster, possibly Rider?) for much of the war enjoying each other's company in day-to-day activities. Then, near the end, in some epic showdown, they realize that they have all been sleeping with each other! (interpret the latter bit as you will)
-chronodekar
On a comic note, lets throw in a twist to the Emiya mansion - its a no-prana zone. Barring the shed where Shirou plays around in, the rest of the mansion (including the grounds) are a region of zero magic. The result of this is that while masters and servants can walk into the zone (raising an alarm if they are un-invited) they can't recognize each other for what they are. This will result in 3 (or 4?) masters - Shirou, Rin, Taiga (possibly Sakura?) living together with their servants (Saber, Archer, Caster, possibly Rider?) for much of the war enjoying each other's company in day-to-day activities. Then, near the end, in some epic showdown, they realize that they have all been sleeping with each other! (interpret the latter bit as you will)
-chronodekar
Well, while Kiritsugu is long dead by that time, in Path of the King Shirou has to come clean to Taiga about both Kiritsugu being an assassin, himself being a vigilante (that part she was already aware of), and the existence of thaumaturgy and the Grail War. Rin was... less than pleased upon finding that Taiga was aware, given her own inability to even treat Sakura as family due to the rules.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10752480/1/Through-the-Multiverse-Emiya-Shirou
Sorry for the wall of text, the format got messed up.
Author's Notes.
This crossover idea comes from a game that I played not long ago, its complete name being: Z.H.P (Zettai Hero Project): Unlosing Ranger vs. Darkdeath Evilman, for PSP, a really difficult but entertaining game created by Nippon Ichi, also the creators of the much more known Disgaea games. As with the majority of their games, this one combines hours of battles and training, dungeons and items without end, a lot of colorful-funny-crazy characters and an story that borders in the absurd, filled with almost 4th wall breaking jokes and comical hilarity, but also maintaining a touch of seriousness that hooks you to the game.
This one, which I didn't even knew about until a little time back, is probably one of the most difficult ones they ever created, because you only have one character and also the strange feature of returning to level 1 every time you clear a dungeon/die, and also being unable to have more than one save-data at the same time XD Of course, you become a little stronger every time you return to level one, but that aside is still a very weird and difficult setting.
The absurd story of the game really got my attention, though: One day, the world is about to end because the ultimate villain Darkdeath Evilman (LOL), the ultimate super-evil Final Boss, has kidnapped the Super Baby, the last hope for the future of the planet, and it's going to kill her. But everyone has hope, because the most awesome superhero and defender of the world, Pirohiko Ichimonji, the 'Absolute Victory Unlosing Ranger!' is going to come to fight against the bad guy to save the world, a battle that all the televisions in the world are going to cover, viewed by all the world.
Said hero was currently running like hell because he had fallen sleep and was late to the battle that was going to decide the destiny of the world. So focused in his monologue was that he didn't saw the car drove by an uncaring and boring couple until it was too late. In his last and agonizing moments, Pirohiko spots a random guy who was just returning from shopping, the typical mute and no-name character, and pleads to him to save the world, giving him his 'Unlosing Belt' which allowed anyone who wore it to become the Unlosing Ranger!
Then, he died. The poor main character is then forced to go and fight against the ultimate evil being. Like all level 1 losers who try to fight against a Final Boss, he loses, and seemingly dies. While the entire world enters in chaos upon the apparent defeat of their last hope and Evilman starts to fight against the Super Baby to kill her, the main character was actually not dead, but transported to the other side of the galaxy, to some sort of weird parallel planet Earth called Bizarro Earth, by a mysterious girl called Etranger, who told him that he needed and urgent last minute training to go back and defeat Darkdeath (Even if he was the first hero who actually needed such a thing in the middle of the fight with the Final Boss). And so, with Etranger by his side and guided by the suddenly appeared ghost of Pirohiko claiming to be his spirit guardian0, the poor loser has to go and train like a maniac with an absurdly little quantity of time to save the world, in an adventure filled with friendship, explosions, and weapons and armors that give him strange superpowers.
This story basically is born of the idea that, a week before the Grail War, a certain accident involving Zelretch, a package sent to the wrong house, and Kaleidostick Ruby being accidentally blow up, sends our beloved red-head to this crazy world just in time to see poor Pirohiko getting run over by a car.
Cue, Shirou going to help the poor man. Cue, Shirou being asked to become a superhero and save the world from the ultimate evil. Cue…
Well, it's Shirou. You can imagine the rest XD
Then, after all the craziness and saving the other world, Shirou is pulled back to the Nasuverse by Zelretch, who leaves the confused Magus without a word, 'not noticing' how Shirou still had the Unlosing Belt with him. Or, that, for some reason, Pirohiko's ghost got dragged back with him. And with a Shirou that had been EVEN MORE distorted (In a bizarrely different way) by the Nippon Ichi-verse, and also stored a lot of its incredibly absurd weapons-items in his Marble…
The Masters and Servants of the Grail War should better be prepared to fight not for his lives, but to conserve their sanity. Because when Unlosing!Shirou is unleashed upon them, most are going to regret a LOT having entered this shit =D
Well, see you all later, I hope you enjoyed the read or at least got a little laugh out of it, I will be back soon with another of this one-shots (Which thankfully I only need to correct, so they would not delay me with writing the next chapter of the Emerald Blade XP).
Sorry for the wall of text, the format got messed up.
Author's Notes.
This crossover idea comes from a game that I played not long ago, its complete name being: Z.H.P (Zettai Hero Project): Unlosing Ranger vs. Darkdeath Evilman, for PSP, a really difficult but entertaining game created by Nippon Ichi, also the creators of the much more known Disgaea games. As with the majority of their games, this one combines hours of battles and training, dungeons and items without end, a lot of colorful-funny-crazy characters and an story that borders in the absurd, filled with almost 4th wall breaking jokes and comical hilarity, but also maintaining a touch of seriousness that hooks you to the game.
This one, which I didn't even knew about until a little time back, is probably one of the most difficult ones they ever created, because you only have one character and also the strange feature of returning to level 1 every time you clear a dungeon/die, and also being unable to have more than one save-data at the same time XD Of course, you become a little stronger every time you return to level one, but that aside is still a very weird and difficult setting.
The absurd story of the game really got my attention, though: One day, the world is about to end because the ultimate villain Darkdeath Evilman (LOL), the ultimate super-evil Final Boss, has kidnapped the Super Baby, the last hope for the future of the planet, and it's going to kill her. But everyone has hope, because the most awesome superhero and defender of the world, Pirohiko Ichimonji, the 'Absolute Victory Unlosing Ranger!' is going to come to fight against the bad guy to save the world, a battle that all the televisions in the world are going to cover, viewed by all the world.
Said hero was currently running like hell because he had fallen sleep and was late to the battle that was going to decide the destiny of the world. So focused in his monologue was that he didn't saw the car drove by an uncaring and boring couple until it was too late. In his last and agonizing moments, Pirohiko spots a random guy who was just returning from shopping, the typical mute and no-name character, and pleads to him to save the world, giving him his 'Unlosing Belt' which allowed anyone who wore it to become the Unlosing Ranger!
Then, he died. The poor main character is then forced to go and fight against the ultimate evil being. Like all level 1 losers who try to fight against a Final Boss, he loses, and seemingly dies. While the entire world enters in chaos upon the apparent defeat of their last hope and Evilman starts to fight against the Super Baby to kill her, the main character was actually not dead, but transported to the other side of the galaxy, to some sort of weird parallel planet Earth called Bizarro Earth, by a mysterious girl called Etranger, who told him that he needed and urgent last minute training to go back and defeat Darkdeath (Even if he was the first hero who actually needed such a thing in the middle of the fight with the Final Boss). And so, with Etranger by his side and guided by the suddenly appeared ghost of Pirohiko claiming to be his spirit guardian0, the poor loser has to go and train like a maniac with an absurdly little quantity of time to save the world, in an adventure filled with friendship, explosions, and weapons and armors that give him strange superpowers.
This story basically is born of the idea that, a week before the Grail War, a certain accident involving Zelretch, a package sent to the wrong house, and Kaleidostick Ruby being accidentally blow up, sends our beloved red-head to this crazy world just in time to see poor Pirohiko getting run over by a car.
Cue, Shirou going to help the poor man. Cue, Shirou being asked to become a superhero and save the world from the ultimate evil. Cue…
Well, it's Shirou. You can imagine the rest XD
Then, after all the craziness and saving the other world, Shirou is pulled back to the Nasuverse by Zelretch, who leaves the confused Magus without a word, 'not noticing' how Shirou still had the Unlosing Belt with him. Or, that, for some reason, Pirohiko's ghost got dragged back with him. And with a Shirou that had been EVEN MORE distorted (In a bizarrely different way) by the Nippon Ichi-verse, and also stored a lot of its incredibly absurd weapons-items in his Marble…
The Masters and Servants of the Grail War should better be prepared to fight not for his lives, but to conserve their sanity. Because when Unlosing!Shirou is unleashed upon them, most are going to regret a LOT having entered this shit =D
Well, see you all later, I hope you enjoyed the read or at least got a little laugh out of it, I will be back soon with another of this one-shots (Which thankfully I only need to correct, so they would not delay me with writing the next chapter of the Emerald Blade XP).
The end of Zero comes, Kirei and Kiritsugu's battle turns out the same, Saber Excaliblasts the Grail, mud pours out. Only instead of Saber fading away and Gilgamesh getting mudded, Gilgamesh gets caught up in the Grail, fades away, and Saber gets mudded. Kiritsugu goes on to save Shirou per normal, but Kirei wakes up to find Saber Alter. He disgusts her, and she would like to kill him, but he talks her out of it. After all, as the Church's overseer and guardian of the Second Owner, he can hide her presence more effectively than anyone else, until they can get what they both want: another Holy Grail War.
Saber is bitter over Kiritsugu's apparent betrayal, and the fact she can't even fade away until she's summoned again. Kirei is dissatisfied with the answer he got, and wants to see how things turn out next time. Ten years pass, and the Holy Grail War is starting again...
So Saber Alter winds up filling Gilgamesh's place as the Servant who survived the Fourth War and spent ten years waiting for the Fifth War.
Saber is bitter over Kiritsugu's apparent betrayal, and the fact she can't even fade away until she's summoned again. Kirei is dissatisfied with the answer he got, and wants to see how things turn out next time. Ten years pass, and the Holy Grail War is starting again...
So Saber Alter winds up filling Gilgamesh's place as the Servant who survived the Fourth War and spent ten years waiting for the Fifth War.
Doesnt that mean Shirou summons Mordred instead? Since he would still have to be holding Avalon, and since he cant summon Artoria the person with the next closest connection would be its thief, and wow that would end up with some interesting character interaction: mother vs daughter, one of history's villains summoned by a man who wants to be a perfect hero, and I just cant imagine Shirou saying girls should fight would end well for him at all considering Mordreds rather massive gender issues.
Been done. Actually, it's been done with both surviving the grail war. It's also been done with Arturia confronting Kiritsugu over what he did and why, and thus winding up in a relationship with Taiga of all people. Don't remember the exact fic name.
If I were to have Arturia survive as Saber Alter, I'd have it so she aged over the decade between the 4th and 5th HGW, not looking like she's 14 years old anymore (remember, Gilgamesh only avoided aging because he used the herb of youth from his treasury). Likewise, I think 4th war Saber Alter being the master of 5th war Saber (Mordred of course) would be an interesting plot simply because it would force Arturia and Mordred to reconcile somewhat.
If I were to have Arturia survive as Saber Alter, I'd have it so she aged over the decade between the 4th and 5th HGW, not looking like she's 14 years old anymore (remember, Gilgamesh only avoided aging because he used the herb of youth from his treasury). Likewise, I think 4th war Saber Alter being the master of 5th war Saber (Mordred of course) would be an interesting plot simply because it would force Arturia and Mordred to reconcile somewhat.
The name of that fic you're thinking of is Dual Wielding, IIRC. As far as killing off Gilgamesh instead, you'd need some way of making it believable. Destroying the Grail itself doesn't do much, all that damage comes from Excalibur. And, frankly speaking, we already know that Gilgamesh's armor is strong enough to take that blast, which is why he survived to get mudded at all.
Nasu's waifu. Although with Grand Order, I have started thinking that Solomon might have replaced him in Nasu's heart.
As for killing Gilgamesh, I kind of imagined something similar to the end of UBW, where the Grail is wrecked but still trying to manifest, and it lashes out and grabs whatever is closest (Gilgamesh) to try and stabilize itself, but instead just drags him into the void.
There's other considerations for how the war turns out, too. Saber isn't a magus, so she probably couldn't be a Master, barring doing something similar to how Kuzuki wound up with Caster, only intentionally. Mordred is the next plausible Servant for Shirou to summon, given that she's a clone of Saber and Saber isn't available, although it could also go with pulling a different Arturia. Archer is going to be confused as shit, because the Saber of the War being someone different and having Arturia in Gilgamesh's place is just weird from his perspective. How much influence does Arturia's word have over Kirei? Enough to keep him from shanking Bazett and stealing Lancer? And what does she do for that 10 years? Gilgamesh traveled the world to see what it had become since his death. Would Arturia take a trip to see how Britain is doing? Meet some of the future Masters around town over that decade?
And I can actually imagine Shirou and Mordred working out decently, just from an interpretation that I remember hearing about the difference between Shirou's treatment of Saber in Fate and UBW. In Fate, the first couple times he sees her fight, she gets stabbed by Lancer and almost cut in half by Berserker. In UBW, she still gets stabbed by Lancer, but then he sees her fight Berserker on more or less equal terms, so he doesn't have the same worry about her ability to fight. Mordred would probably show up in full armor, including the helmet, and assuming she keeps it on until they've made it back to the church, she's fought Berserker before the idea that she could be a girl would likely even cross Shirou's mind. If anything, the problem might come up about civilian clothing, depending on what is available, just because I can't see her accepting the usual outfit Rin gives Saber.
Other issues would probably involve Shirou wanting to learn to defend himself, just because Mordred has none of Arturia's skill. I would actually question if they would even be able to practice together, just because Mordred's strategy is "smash it till it dies" and she's much too strong for Shirou to take those kinds of hits. Actually, that might be interesting, having it turn around with Mordred actually learning some technique from Shirou, who, despite being an amateur compared to the likes of Taiga or almost any Servant, at least knows more than her.
It's weird, because when I imagine how they interact, I just picture Shirou being the more mature, reasonable, level-headed one, and that's not usually the position he's in.
EDIT:
Actually, her profile even includes some instructions on how to interact with Mordred: "Do not badmouth King Arthur. Do not praise King Arthur. Do not treat her like a woman. Also do not bluntly treat her like a man. Do not behave in a stiff manner. Do not become infatuated with other Servants. Properly hear her opinions."
Until Arturia actually shows up, most likely she wouldn't come up in conversation, and if she did, I feel like Shirou would just be asking Mordred about her, rather than speaking about her. Properly hearing her opinions, Shirou is all over that, given he refused to completely agree to an alliance with Rin in canon until he'd talked about it with Saber. He might disagree, but he'll at least hear her out. Becoming infatuated with other Servants shouldn't be a problem, barring if Mordred disapproves of him copying Archer's style as he likely would. The "stiff manner" would depend on what she considers stiff, although that probably won't be too much of a problem once they actually know each other.
The woman/man thing is really where conflict would come up. That first night, until Mordred removes the helmet, and possibly even after that considering Arturia was able to pass as an eternally young male, he would likely think of her as a male, and treat her as such. And I can even imagine that conversations where Shirou isn't facing her or isn't paying attention, in light of how Mordred speaks, would turn into bro banter similar to what he likely would have had with Shinji. Then when he actually does look directly at her, he'd have a "wait, she's a girl" moment and panic about how he was treating her like a guy friend. Eventually it comes to a head when Mordred gets annoyed about how his attitude changes so often, and Shirou winds up complaining about how weird it makes him feel with her talking in such a rough and masculine way when she's such a beautiful girl.
Something like that, in my mind. They could also bond over wanting to live up to their fathers' legacies.
As for killing Gilgamesh, I kind of imagined something similar to the end of UBW, where the Grail is wrecked but still trying to manifest, and it lashes out and grabs whatever is closest (Gilgamesh) to try and stabilize itself, but instead just drags him into the void.
There's other considerations for how the war turns out, too. Saber isn't a magus, so she probably couldn't be a Master, barring doing something similar to how Kuzuki wound up with Caster, only intentionally. Mordred is the next plausible Servant for Shirou to summon, given that she's a clone of Saber and Saber isn't available, although it could also go with pulling a different Arturia. Archer is going to be confused as shit, because the Saber of the War being someone different and having Arturia in Gilgamesh's place is just weird from his perspective. How much influence does Arturia's word have over Kirei? Enough to keep him from shanking Bazett and stealing Lancer? And what does she do for that 10 years? Gilgamesh traveled the world to see what it had become since his death. Would Arturia take a trip to see how Britain is doing? Meet some of the future Masters around town over that decade?
And I can actually imagine Shirou and Mordred working out decently, just from an interpretation that I remember hearing about the difference between Shirou's treatment of Saber in Fate and UBW. In Fate, the first couple times he sees her fight, she gets stabbed by Lancer and almost cut in half by Berserker. In UBW, she still gets stabbed by Lancer, but then he sees her fight Berserker on more or less equal terms, so he doesn't have the same worry about her ability to fight. Mordred would probably show up in full armor, including the helmet, and assuming she keeps it on until they've made it back to the church, she's fought Berserker before the idea that she could be a girl would likely even cross Shirou's mind. If anything, the problem might come up about civilian clothing, depending on what is available, just because I can't see her accepting the usual outfit Rin gives Saber.
Other issues would probably involve Shirou wanting to learn to defend himself, just because Mordred has none of Arturia's skill. I would actually question if they would even be able to practice together, just because Mordred's strategy is "smash it till it dies" and she's much too strong for Shirou to take those kinds of hits. Actually, that might be interesting, having it turn around with Mordred actually learning some technique from Shirou, who, despite being an amateur compared to the likes of Taiga or almost any Servant, at least knows more than her.
It's weird, because when I imagine how they interact, I just picture Shirou being the more mature, reasonable, level-headed one, and that's not usually the position he's in.
EDIT:
Actually, her profile even includes some instructions on how to interact with Mordred: "Do not badmouth King Arthur. Do not praise King Arthur. Do not treat her like a woman. Also do not bluntly treat her like a man. Do not behave in a stiff manner. Do not become infatuated with other Servants. Properly hear her opinions."
Until Arturia actually shows up, most likely she wouldn't come up in conversation, and if she did, I feel like Shirou would just be asking Mordred about her, rather than speaking about her. Properly hearing her opinions, Shirou is all over that, given he refused to completely agree to an alliance with Rin in canon until he'd talked about it with Saber. He might disagree, but he'll at least hear her out. Becoming infatuated with other Servants shouldn't be a problem, barring if Mordred disapproves of him copying Archer's style as he likely would. The "stiff manner" would depend on what she considers stiff, although that probably won't be too much of a problem once they actually know each other.
The woman/man thing is really where conflict would come up. That first night, until Mordred removes the helmet, and possibly even after that considering Arturia was able to pass as an eternally young male, he would likely think of her as a male, and treat her as such. And I can even imagine that conversations where Shirou isn't facing her or isn't paying attention, in light of how Mordred speaks, would turn into bro banter similar to what he likely would have had with Shinji. Then when he actually does look directly at her, he'd have a "wait, she's a girl" moment and panic about how he was treating her like a guy friend. Eventually it comes to a head when Mordred gets annoyed about how his attitude changes so often, and Shirou winds up complaining about how weird it makes him feel with her talking in such a rough and masculine way when she's such a beautiful girl.
Something like that, in my mind. They could also bond over wanting to live up to their fathers' legacies.
You know, I like that picture, but I do have to wonder what's going on in it, since they clearly seem to be fighting something, and fighting fairly seriously, given Kanshou/Bakuya and Mordred having her armor on. But they also look happy. What circumstance would they be fighting under that would make them happy like that?