Nasuverse [FSN] Centralized Random Idea Thread

firestorm

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Byakuya would be jealous of the sheer spammage.
 

nick012000

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Prince Charon said:
trevelyan1983 said:
Avider said:
trevelyan1983 said:
There's also the question of whether he can release the NP, as it's not his.á That's the reason he can't use Gae Bolg, or the other NPs he copies, because he's not the wielder of the weapon.á Archer gets around this by breaking the Phantasms, overloading them with mana and firing them as arrows.
Rho Aias

HF Normal End.

Come on trev, you can be better than this. Actually, I don't get it. Why do you think he wouldn't be able to use them? I thought it was pretty common knowledge that he could, I mean, even in most of the fanfics have him releasing the stuff he traces. And, as noted, in the game he can and does release them.
I . . . have no idea where I got that from, honestly. I seem to have misunderstood the subtext of owner versus wielder. I thought Shirou and Gil had many weapons that they could use, but couldn't release as NP - which is why they sword-spam and stick to things that have passive effects, like Enkidu and Durandal, or Kanshou/Bakuya.

<s>That, and old translations of incomplete paths and idiots on Wiki pages.</s>

But what it really implied was that wielders are better because they've spent all their time mastering one NP, while Shirou and Gil just learn to be decent with a load of them. Yeah?

Well, fuck me. The only inhibitor for Shirou and Archer is prana cost, then? Fuck me sideways. UBW doesn't quite mean what I think it means. Also, Archer releasing Caladbolg arrow with it's name now makes sense.
OK, does that effect your opinion on whether Shirou could create his own zanpakutou?

Does it make it more or less likely that he'd be able to copy the zanpakutous of others?

What would Shirou's Shikai and Bankai be like, anyway?
Shikai is a sword that can create other swords.

Bankai is Unlimited Blade Works.
 

trevelyan1983

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Prince Charon said:
OK, does that effect your opinion on whether Shirou could create his own zanpakutou?

Does it make it more or less likely that he'd be able to copy the zanpakutous of others?

What would Shirou's Shikai and Bankai be like, anyway?
I still submit that he can make his own - in fact, I think that UBW, being an expression of his soul, is better suited to making him a zanpakuto than it's suited to copying other people's weapons.

I don't think that he'd be able to attain Bankai - that's supposed to be a rare feat for Shinigami, with only a handful in a generation ever attaining it.

His Shikai . . . well, you remember Suzumushi's release, where Tousen spams a load of blades at Zaraki?

I see Shirou's shikai as being like that, but amplified. So where Tousen can create fifty, Shirou can create two hundred or two thousand if he needs to.

But that's not all - he can fire them off singly with high accuracy, or fire a swarm of them parallel to the ground, or encircle himself with them for close-range protection, or fire them upwards as anti-air. His shikai is like a conductor's baton, and the blades he creates will do anything he can imagine.

If he had Bankai, it'd basically be the Hill of Swords. But since UBW does that anyway, Bankai is surplus to requirements.
 

Amodelsino

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It's one a generation actually. Though it's never explained if that's a human generation (25 years) or a Shinigami one.
 

trevelyan1983

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Amodelsino said:
It's one a generation actually. Though it's never explained if that's a human generation (25 years) or a Shinigami one.
That only strengthens my objection to widespread Bankai in Bleach, and Bankai for Shirou in particular.
 
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Fast forward to AC 195/196

Heero Yuy gets stuck with Saber cue amusement

Seriously Duo and Relena's reaction would be interesting to say the least
 

Prince Charon

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Randomness: Caster!Rin in the Fourth Holy Grail War.

Even weirder, harder to justify, thought: Archer!Rin replaces Gilgamesh, and raises Shirou and Illya (or Chibi-Rin and Sakura, like Archer EMIYA in Childcare is War).
 

Shaderic

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Well, because my knowledge of timelines gets a bit wonky sometimes, this floated up into my head.

Now, I'm not knowledgeable about Fate/Zero or what exactly Kiritsugu was up to before the Fourth Grail War, but I know he used guns, and was a very... pragmatic person.

Now, supposing he did odd jobs for the association doesn't seem too out there, right?

And these jobs occasionaly taking him to some very bad places also makes sense, right?

Now, Kiritsugu is after a certain artifact being shipped through the south china sea. Too bad the Lagoon Company just made off with it.

Now, I have no idea where this would go, especialy seeing as I have no clue what exactly Kiritsugu's skill set is, so I don't know how he stacks up. Or, given Association rules, if he'll have to kill everyone. Which might be very hard in Roanapur.

But, I digress. For a lighter scene, Revy happens across a Kaleido Stick. Lulz ensue.
 

Amodelsino

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Kiritsugu was a time manipulating badass that was so good at killing powerful magi (and just generally being a badass motherfucker) that he became known as "Magus Killer".

He also blew up a skyscraper just to kill a few people.

Not to say that the crew of the Lagoon don't have their own unique talents, but I'd wager Kiritsugu would be getting that artifact pretty quickly. How quickly would depend on whether this was when he was at his peak, or when he was less experienced. But unless the crew knew enough to start running, they probably wouldn't last long.

Of course, you could always make it a comedy in which, just as he's about to succeed, something always screws things up for Kiritsugu.
 

nick012000

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Or said artifact happens to be the Kaleidostick, and it activates when Revy and the younger corrupt nun go and grab it at the same time.

They become Magical Girls fighting for Love and Profit. Their signature end-move is Love-Love Capitalism. ;)
 

nammu

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Garahs said:
I noticed we don't seem to have one, so here:

Random idea thread. Not completely random, just mostly random. I'm sure you all get the idea.

I'll start.

Warning: Silliness

Plainswalker Shirou said:
Ilya stood in glee on the stairs of her mansion with Berserker beside her.á Shirou, Saber, Rin, and Archer stood before her.á Rin stared at the huge servant with a slight mix of awe and fear while Saber kept stealing glances at her master, Shirou, who had a contemplative expression on his face.

"Berserker is the most powerful hero to be summoned.á If you become my subjects, you won't be killed."á Ilya spoke confidently.

She paused in confusion as Shirou pulled out one of the odd cards she had noticed in his belongings and pointed it towards Berserker.á Confusion turned to disbelief and shock as she felt her bond to Berserker fade to nothing even as everyone saw Berserker fade away.

Dumbfounded, she silently stared at Shirou.á Sensing the question, Shirou replied simply.á "Capsize, with buyback."
Just because it works in a card game... said:
It was only by chance that Rin and Sakura together stumbled upon Shirou in the basement where he was doing something with an odd reptile/insectoid creature, some manner of strange alter, and an unusual rock.

Rin started, "Shirou... what is that and what are you doing to it?"

Startled, and somewhat distracted doing whatever it was he was doing, Shirou started talking before the idea of being discreet came to him.

"Well, this is a Sliver Queen.á When it absorbs mana, it reproduces.á Now normally, the mana you can feed it is limited.á But using this Heartstone eases the mana strain.á If I can then sacrifice the slivers it produces to this alter, I get twice the mana it would take to breed another sliver.á I can keep repeating this and I'll have an endless supply of slivers!"

"So you're basically using this creature as an endless baby factory?"á Rin replied a little too calmly.

"Well, I suppose so if you put it that way."

Shirou never saw the twitch or punch that soon followed, knocking him into unconsciousness.
Yeah, I can't see canon Shirou acting this way, but I find the thought amusing.
 

nick012000

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nammu said:
Garahs said:
I noticed we don't seem to have one, so here:

Random idea thread.á Not completely random, just mostly random.á I'm sure you all get the idea.

I'll start.

Warning: Silliness

Plainswalker Shirou said:
Ilya stood in glee on the stairs of her mansion with Berserker beside her.á Shirou, Saber, Rin, and Archer stood before her.á Rin stared at the huge servant with a slight mix of awe and fear while Saber kept stealing glances at her master, Shirou, who had a contemplative expression on his face.

"Berserker is the most powerful hero to be summoned.á If you become my subjects, you won't be killed."á Ilya spoke confidently.

She paused in confusion as Shirou pulled out one of the odd cards she had noticed in his belongings and pointed it towards Berserker.á Confusion turned to disbelief and shock as she felt her bond to Berserker fade to nothing even as everyone saw Berserker fade away.

Dumbfounded, she silently stared at Shirou.á Sensing the question, Shirou replied simply.á "Capsize, with buyback."
Just because it works in a card game... said:
It was only by chance that Rin and Sakura together stumbled upon Shirou in the basement where he was doing something with an odd reptile/insectoid creature, some manner of strange alter, and an unusual rock.

Rin started, "Shirou... what is that and what are you doing to it?"

Startled, and somewhat distracted doing whatever it was he was doing, Shirou started talking before the idea of being discreet came to him.

"Well, this is a Sliver Queen.á When it absorbs mana, it reproduces.á Now normally, the mana you can feed it is limited.á But using this Heartstone eases the mana strain.á If I can then sacrifice the slivers it produces to this alter, I get twice the mana it would take to breed another sliver.á I can keep repeating this and I'll have an endless supply of slivers!"

"So you're basically using this creature as an endless baby factory?"á Rin replied a little too calmly.

"Well, I suppose so if you put it that way."

Shirou never saw the twitch or punch that soon followed, knocking him into unconsciousness.
Yeah, I can't see canon Shirou acting this way, but I find the thought amusing.
"Holy Grail? Who needs the Holy Grail? I've got my infinite mana right here!"

:p
 

firestorm

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Now imagine Shirou using that to power UBW.

Much ownage ensues.
 

Prince Charon

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Illya, rather than obtaining Berserker, calls a Caster, instead. A Caster known as Counter-Guardian EMIYA, but not Shirou - Kiritsugu. She has her father back, even if only for a little while.

Of course, you'd have to figure out why Kiritsugu would make a Contract with the World. My thought was that unlike Shirou, who made the contract to save around a hundred people, Kiritsugu made it to save just one (e.g. Illyasviel or Shirou), although the one that he did it for isn't necessarily alive in this timeline (e.g. Irisviel). Mind you, we don't know what killed him in canon, so in theory, she could get canon!Kiritsugu.

Also, as he likes ranged weapons so much, Kiritsugu might be summoned as an Archer, with A-ranked Independent Action, so he can stick around after the War.
 

firestorm

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Umm...if what people say about needing Saber to be around to use Avalon is true, then have Saber disappear before he finds Shirou, and he makes a pact with the world to save Shirou instead of implanting Avalon into him.

This also opens up a way for Shirou to summon Caster TOHSAKA.
 

Shaderic

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Prince Charon said:
Illya, rather than obtaining Berserker, calls a Caster, instead. A Caster known as Counter-Guardian EMIYA, but not Shirou - Kiritsugu. She has her father back, even if only for a little while.

Of course, you'd have to figure out why Kiritsugu would make a Contract with the World. My thought was that unlike Shirou, who made the contract to save around a hundred people, Kiritsugu made it to save just one (e.g. Illyasviel or Shirou), although the one that he did it for isn't necessarily alive in this timeline (e.g. Irisviel). Mind you, we don't know what killed him in canon, so in theory, she could get canon!Kiritsugu.

Also, as he likes ranged weapons so much, Kiritsugu might be summoned as an Archer, with A-ranked Independent Action, so he can stick around after the War.
I thought it was the Grail taint that killed him.
 

Amodelsino

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firestorm said:
Umm...if what people say about needing Saber to be around to use Avalon is true, then have Saber disappear before he finds Shirou, and he makes a pact with the world to save Shirou instead of implanting Avalon into him.

This also opens up a way for Shirou to summon Caster TOHSAKA.
She'd be pretty useless. She's an excellent magus, but against servants she would die very quickly. Even Ciel and 3rd personality Ryogi could only hope to fight a defensive battle against an average servant.

He'd be better off summoning Medea.

Also, Saber was already gone when he implanted Avalon. It still works, just nowhere near as well. Shirou still had to recover properly in a hospital.
 

Epsilon

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Damn, now I'm curious about Type Moon power levels. Maybe Shirou might end up summoning some alternate version of a Tsukihime/Melty Blood/Kara no Kyokai character as a Servant since the Throne of Heroes preserves the souls of all Epic Spirits and exists outside time.

Hell, I wonder if Canaan would be able to do well in the War.
 

Elf

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Kotomine summoning EMIYA or either taking him like he took Lancer.

Now that would be a mind fuck.
 

Amodelsino

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So the whole fic is him trying to find a way to kill Shirou while under Kotomine's orders, and then getting fed up with his shit and pulling a Lancer?
 

Elf

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Amodelsino said:
So the whole fic is him trying to find a way to kill Shirou while under Kotomine's orders, and then getting fed up with his shit and pulling a Lancer?
Sort of yes, but Archer would probably manipulate Kotomine as well. Also, Kotomine would notice that this guy reminds him a lot of Kiritisgu.
 

firestorm

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Because I was bored.

Fate/Chunin Exam

Saber: Uchiha Sasuke. Noble Phantasm: Sharingan: Copy Wheel Eye
Lancer: Hyuga Neji. Noble Phantasm: Byakugan: White Eyes
Archer: Sabaku no Temari. Noble Phantasm: Tessen: Iron War Fan
Rider: Sabaku no Kankuro. Noble Phantasm: Karasu: Puppet Master
Caster: Sabaku no Gaara. Noble Phantasm: Ichibi: One Tail
Berserker: Uzumaki Naruto. Noble Phantasm: Kyuubi: Nine Tails
Assassin: Nara Shikamaru. Noble Phantasm: Kage Shibari: Strangling Shadows
 

Amodelsino

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Everyone gets killed by Gilgamesh.

Good End.
 

nick012000

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Amodelsino said:
Everyone gets killed by Gilgamesh.

Good End.
I dunno. Berserker!Naruto is likely to be Kyuubi!Naruto, and once he goes four-tails, he might well be able to put up a fight. Enuma Elish vs Pwetty Beam.
 

Shaderic

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Gilgamesh still wins.

Easily.
 
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