Nasuverse [FSN] Centralized Random Idea Thread

[Amodelsino]

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Even Kyuubi's attack doesn't come close to Ea's reality ripping power.

It's Anti-World designation isn't there for show.

Of course that depends on how serious Gil would become, but Naruto even getting to 4-tails relies on him not getting slaughtered by Gil's GoB first.

 

[nick012000]

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What if, after the Holy Grail War, Emiya Shirou runs into Merem Solomon while he was seeking the cause of a recent spate of murders, which turned out to be a Vampire? After the battle, intrigued with the similarities between their powers, Merem asks Shirou why he intervened. Shirou tells him of his philosophy, and Merem is intrigued enough to offer to teach Shirou a bit more about using his power.

Shirou accepts, and winds up turning his power from almost a degraded version of the First Magic into a full-blown version of the First Magic. He then continues heroing, blatantly throwing around displays of power by creating magical healing springs, turning deserts into fertile land, creating visible anti-gun magic fields (possibly based on Avalon) to end wars, et cetera.

He winds up dying in an epic (and public) battle after the Mage's Association goes after him in force for revealing magic, and becomes a proper Heroic Spirit as a result.

He's then summoned into the Fifth Holy Grail War as Caster. There are now three Shirous involved, two of which are from totally different alternate futures. Hilarity ensues.

 

[Amodelsino]

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I've always liked the theory that Shirou is a descendant (in some form) of the last master of the First Magic. We still have no idea who his actual parents were after all, or whether they were magus or not. Of course, it doesn't have any evidence or suggestion in canon, but it's still kinda cool.

It would be better just as a story about Shirou realizing the First Magic and doing Hero stuff in general though. Bonus points if it's a Shirou that's not from one of the three routes at all.

 

[nick012000]

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I've always liked the theory that Shirou is a descendant (in some form) of the last master of the First Magic. We still have no idea who his actual parents were after all, or whether they were magus or not. Of course, it doesn't have any evidence or suggestion in canon, but it's still kinda cool.

It would be better just as a story about Shirou realizing the First Magic and doing Hero stuff in general though. Bonus points if it's a Shirou that's not from one of the three routes at all.

That's why I suggested that he learn it from Merem Solomon. The guy's powers are a lot like Shirou's, and it seems entirely possible that he's doing the same "almost doing the First Magic" thing Shirou does. If they meet up, and Merem Solomon passes on his thousands of years of experience using his magic to Shirou, well, Shirou might well unlock his full potential.

Then he does go around being a Hero and preventing people from crying, and gets killed in an epic (and public) battle with the Mage's Association for revealing magic to the world, and becomes an Heroic Spirit.

 

[Amodelsino]

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I just had the idea of a Grail war in which there are three Casters.

Heroic Spirit Emiya Shirou: Master of The First Magic
Heroic Spirit Kishua Zelretch Schweinorg: Master of The Second Magic
Heroic Spirit Aozaki Aoko: Master of The Fifth Magic

Heaven or Hell. Final Destination.

I then realized that I have a horrendous lack of information. I'd have to make up what "Blue" does in it's entirety for fucks sake. I mean, at least the First and Second have a little information on them, but we don't even know what domain Blue is. Plus I'm pretty sure Zelretch's abilities would allow him to crush everyone else.

 

[nick012000]

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Zelretch can't be an Heroic Spirit, because he's a Vampire.

Rin, on the other hand...

EDIT: If you really want to have three True Magicians, have alternate-future Ilya with the Third Magic.

 

[Amodelsino]

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Alternate realities.

Also, Rin's not anywhere near the magus Zelretch was. She's in the top 100 in the Association's history (after achieving her potential after F/SN), but she's not Zelretch.

EDIT: What the hell am I saying? That's a good thing for this scenario!

 

[nick012000]

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Alternate realities.

Also, Rin's not anywhere near the magus Zelretch was. She's in the top 100 in the Associations history (at her maximum potential), but she's not Zelretch.

She might have become a Counter-Guardian like EMIYA did. That'd let her become a Servant without needing to become a Hero.

 

[Amodelsino]

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But she'd still get crushed by every other Servant. Unless she had the Second Magic, and even then I'm not too sure how it would go down. It might even swing it the other way around and make her too overpowered.

 

[Amodelsino]

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Illya! Why didn't I think of that? Though I'm not sure how the third magic could help much in combat...

EDIT: Sorry for the double post. Thought I clicked edit.

 

[nick012000]

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Illya! Why didn't I think of that? Though I'm not sure how the third magic could help much in combat...

EDIT: Sorry for the double post. Thought I clicked edit.

Materialization of the Soul.

Endless army of Heroic Spirits.

EDIT: Also, reason for her joining the Holy Grail War: attempting to rescue Shirou, who got himself killed trying to rescue her from the Grail at the end of her Route. The Grail dissolved his soul, so she couldn't ressurrect him; all she could do is bring forth bizarre duplicates of him from alternate timelines.

 

[Amodelsino]

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That's not how it works.

Though she might be able to pull off an endless army of wraiths like Kojirou...

 

[nick012000]

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That's not how it works.

Though she might be able to pull off an endless army of wraiths like Kojirou...

Well, if she used the Third Magic on them, they wouldn't be wraiths anymore since they'd be alive again; that's what it does, after all.

While they probably wouldn't be able to dematerialize, they wouldn't have a constant prana drain like Servants do, either.

 

[Amodelsino]

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That's pretty much what I meant. Gather the most powerful wandering spirits she can find and turn them into (effectively) physical servants.

 

[Prince Charon]

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This idea could work well with the All Casters idea, save that there are five Magics and seven Servants. Of course, you could have more than one Servant be Master of a specific Magic, or have two of them not show up, due to being WTFPWN'd before the protagonists get involved.

Would also have to make something up for Iteration and Blue, though.

 

[Amodelsino]

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It's implied in Notes that there are actually six. Not that that would change anything in this scenario.

 

[Prince Charon]

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It's implied in Notes that there are actually six. Not that that would change anything in this scenario.

Well, it would change one thing: the author would need to decide what three Magics are, instead of two.

I think I'll go start a thread in the Talk forum.

EDIT: The thread can be found here.

 

[MyLittlePwnies]

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A most random idea.

Emiya Shirou. After the Fate ending with the slight exception that Archer left a message for him. Cue 10 years down the line, Emiya Shirou, MD. He hears there's a doctor that'll save patients, no matter what it takes. He's hoping to learn as much as he can from this House guy but really. He might have left magic behind but it aint gonna leave him.

 

[nick012000]

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Another thought, as I was watching AMVs: Archer wants to remove himself from the Throne of Heroes.

The Throne of Heroes is inside Akasha. The Holy Grail punches a hole into Akasha.

If Archer were to trace Avalon to protect him from the toxic mana of the tainted Grail (as well as any other means of critical existance failure once he goes outside reality and time), he should be able to jump into the hole created by the Holy Grail, go into the Throne of Heroes, and kill the version of himself sitting on the Throne, thereby attaining his goal of removing himself from the Throne and ending his tortured existance.

I really don't want to know what'd happen if Archer activated Unlimited Blade Works inside Akasha, though. I think it'd probably be a Bad End for the entire multiverse.

 

[Amodelsino]

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Akasha doesn't work that way. Not going by Rakkyo anyway. It's not really a 'place' in the physical sense.

I'm also not too sure Archer could trace Avalon on his own. Shirou had his connection with Saber at the time he did it.

 

[nick012000]

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Akasha doesn't work that way. Not going by Rakkyo anyway. It's not really a 'place' in the physical sense.

I'm also not too sure Archer could trace Avalon on his own. Shirou had his connection with Saber at the time he did it.

Well, with Unlimited Blade Works, he can make it a place.

The reason Shirou couldn't trace Avalon was because he couldn't fully understand it, right? Archer's an Heroic Spirit now; he's been augmented by being a Counter-Guardian to the degree that he probably can. It probably just uses up a lot of his prana, and he can use his Eye of the Mind to calculate a much more efficient way of winning than "LOL I'M INVINCIBLE".

 

[Ryuugi]

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Well, with Unlimited Blade Works, he can make it a place.

Wha...?

 

[nick012000]

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Well, with Unlimited Blade Works, he can make it a place.á

Wha...?

Reality Marbles impose their own reality. Simply put, if he activates Unlimited Blade Works, he'll be able to impose things like the three dimensions of space and one of time upon Akasha, which is outside of time and space and has neither. Of course, it'll last forever and an infinitismal instant, and cover all of Akasha and none of it, because of how Akasha is outside of time and space and Unlimited Blade Works isn't.

 

[Ryuugi]

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Well, with Unlimited Blade Works, he can make it a place.á

Wha...?

Reality Marbles impose their own reality. Simply put, if he activates Unlimited Blade Works, he'll be able to impose things like the three dimensions of space and one of time upon Akasha, which is outside of time and space and has neither. Of course, it'll last forever and an infinitismal instant, and cover all of Akasha and none of it, because of how Akasha is outside of time and space and Unlimited Blade Works isn't.

I have no idea where you got that, but it's petty much completely incorrect. Reality Marbles impose one (and only one) law on the surrounding rea, even if that Law goes aginst natural laws. UBW would just create infinite materials for swords. Nothing else.

Absolutely none of which matters, since A) Akasha is not a place upon which order could be imposed, B) Akasha exists outside time, space, and existance in general, and C) it cannot be reached, since it's not an actual place, and has nothing to do with space, time, or location.

Also, there isn't an actual 'Archer' in Akasha, merely the record of Counter Gardian Emiya, which isn't physical, and also exists outside of time.

 

[nick012000]

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Well, with Unlimited Blade Works, he can make it a place.á

Wha...?

Reality Marbles impose their own reality. Simply put, if he activates Unlimited Blade Works, he'll be able to impose things like the three dimensions of space and one of time upon Akasha, which is outside of time and space and has neither. Of course, it'll last forever and an infinitismal instant, and cover all of Akasha and none of it, because of how Akasha is outside of time and space and Unlimited Blade Works isn't.

I have no idea where you got that, but it's petty much completely incorrect. Reality Marbles impose one (and only one) law on the surrounding rea, even if that Law goes aginst natural laws. UBW would just create infinite materials for swords. Nothing else.

Absolutely none of which matters, since A) Akasha is not a place upon which order could be imposed, B) Akasha exists outside time, space, and existanc in general, and C) it cannot be reached, since it's not an actual place, and has nothing to do with space, time, or location.

I refer you to the Holy Grail, which punches a hole in reality to open a hole into Akasha.

Also, I thought Reality Marbles imposed all the laws of the person's soul upon their surroundings, even if those laws violated the laws of nature. So, for instance, Unlimited Blade Works, in addition to creating unlimited material for tracing weapons, also makes your surroundings into a desert filled with swords and with gears hanging in the red sky, with all that that implies. For that matter, the "laws of nature" are basically just the laws of Gaia's Reality Marble-equivalent, just like the Crystal Valley is the result of ORT's Reality Marble-equivalent.