Digimon GOSPEL

ranmatoushin

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#28
glad to help
now does anyone have the side storys for gospel by any chance?
 

Daneel Rush

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#29
Damn, "Death & Beyond." Hadn't thought of that story in years. The original, type-written version, is hidden somewhere in my parents' place, half a world away. In my PC I just have the version you saw on FF.net (translated and partially modified), the character notes and the list of Prima Incantati.

The problem I had with the "Digimon" version was that it was getting too...outlandish. While magic was the core of the original, too, it was not nearly as flashy an over-the-top as what I was making for this "all audiences" version. I felt the story was losing the mystery and creepiness I liked about the original.

I didn't mind losing the gore. I really don't know what was in my mind when I wrote some of the deaths in the original.

Thinking back, maybe Divi-Dead did inspire "Death & Beyond." It was the very first eroge I played, at a very young age. It's still one of my favorites, and Haruka was probably my first 2D crush...

...my parents never really supervised what I did in front of my computer. That's good for me, but I cannot help but feel a bit disappointed now.

Anyway.

? admit, I've thought about rewriting it. Not just translating, editing and adding little things, but actually rewriting it. It's been over a decade, so I would like to think I could do a better job now. Besides, I never really finished the Last Period in the original. I got over my depression, so I stopped typing and just scribbled the outline of the end in one of my notebooks. Unlike GOSPEL, which is really a monster of a tale, D&B would actually be manageable. I'll keep it in mind.

Heck, I've even considered writing "True Magic" again (my Yu-Gi-Oh! fanfic).

Right now, I'm really happy with Genkyouien. Which is weird, because even I can admit it's not a great story. But it's a happy story, and I guess that's what I want to write right now. Besides, like all my stories, it's inevitably becoming larger than itself. It will never be as dark as D&B or as...encompassing as GOSPEL, but I am confident it will be pretty epic.

Finally, if you don't mind, I will use this topic to spoil GOSPEL. It is not the conclusion it deserves, but it at least deserves one. It would be sad if the story I came up with dies with my neurons. I have pages and pages of notes, so I can assure you it won't be a half-hearted thing (I even started a wiki, remember?). I can present here the whole timeline of events in the GOSPEL universe, from the very beginning of the Universe (I'm talking Big-Bang here) to the end of Book 7, and maybe even further. Of course, I can answer any and all questions and present all the info about the characters and the setting. We can even talk about D&B if you wish.

P.S. ranmatoushin, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I can send you the "True Stories" I wrote. I'm in a good mood today, I guess.
 

Ryuugi

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#31
Daneel Rush said:
Damn, "Death & Beyond." Hadn't thought of that story in years. The original, type-written version, is hidden somewhere in my parents' place, half a world away. In my PC I just have the version you saw on FF.net (translated and partially modified), the character notes and the list of Prima Incantati.

The problem I had with the "Digimon" version was that it was getting too...outlandish. While magic was the core of the original, too, it was not nearly as flashy an over-the-top as what I was making for this "all audiences" version. I felt the story was losing the mystery and creepiness I liked about the original.

I didn't mind losing the gore. I really don't know what was in my mind when I wrote some of the deaths in the original.

Thinking back, maybe Divi-Dead did inspire "Death & Beyond." It was the very first eroge I played, at a very young age. It's still one of my favorites, and Haruka was probably my first 2D crush...

...my parents never really supervised what I did in front of my computer. That's good for me, but I cannot help but feel a bit disappointed now.

Anyway.

? admit, I've thought about rewriting it. Not just translating, editing and adding little things, but actually rewriting it. It's been over a decade, so I would like to think I could do a better job now. Besides, I never really finished the Last Period in the original. I got over my depression, so I stopped typing and just scribbled the outline of the end in one of my notebooks. Unlike GOSPEL, which is really a monster of a tale, D&B would actually be manageable. I'll keep it in mind.

Heck, I've even considered writing "True Magic" again (my Yu-Gi-Oh! fanfic).

Right now, I'm really happy with Genkyouien. Which is weird, because even I can admit it's not a great story. But it's a happy story, and I guess that's what I want to write right now. Besides, like all my stories, it's inevitably becoming larger than itself. It will never be as dark as D&B or as...encompassing as GOSPEL, but I am confident it will be pretty epic.

Finally, if you don't mind, I will use this topic to spoil GOSPEL. It is not the conclusion it deserves, but it at least deserves one. It would be sad if the story I came up with dies with my neurons. I have pages and pages of notes, so I can assure you it won't be a half-hearted thing (I even started a wiki, remember?). I can present here the whole timeline of events in the GOSPEL universe, from the very beginning of the Universe (I'm talking Big-Bang here) to the end of Book 7, and maybe even further. Of course, I can answer any and all questions and present all the info about the characters and the setting. We can even talk about D&B if you wish.

P.S. ranmatoushin, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I can send you the "True Stories" I wrote. I'm in a good mood today, I guess.
Well, it's nice to know that D&B might live. However, I must ask. A while back (I'm talking a year or two) I asked you if GOSPEL might ever live agan. You replied 'Not any time soon', but didn't outright dismiss the possibility. I said that I wouldn't mind even if I had to wait for you to finish your Naruto fics.

Has that possibility died?

That having been said, please share your notes on GOSPEL. And thank you again for being so helpful.
 

Daneel Rush

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#32
I would have to say yes.

As much as I would like to finish GOSPEL, realistically speaking, it would take me from seven to ten years, taking into account that I do not spend every waking moment writing.

Yes, it's that long.

So, yes, it's better to let sleeping dragons lie.

I think about GOSPEL constantly, though. I think I will never stop doing so.
 

kitsuneb

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#33
It's a shame. That was actually a good story, especially for Digimon. Lord Archive is okay, but he tends to put a little to many reallistic problems in some anime, though I understand that he does this in an attempt to show that even heroes have to go through the harshness of growing up.
 

Ryuugi

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#34
Daneel Rush said:
I would have to say yes.

As much as I would like to finish GOSPEL, realistically speaking, it would take me from seven to ten years, taking into account that I do not spend every waking moment writing.

Yes, it's that long.

So, yes, it's better to let sleeping dragons lie.

I think about GOSPEL constantly, though. I think I will never stop doing so.
Ryuugi is a sad panda.

Sigh. Well, I can't say I didn't see this coming. I've reread Gospel a number of times (more times then I think I've reread anything else, ever), so I know how long it is. I knew that even if you just decided to start writing exactly where you stopped, it'd still be extremely hard to do (we were only on chapter three of Book 02).

At least I know I'm not the only one who thinks about it constantly. So, thank you, Daneel. For getting as far as you did.

Please share everything you can with use, Daneel, whether here, on the wiki, or on the tripod site.
 

Daneel Rush

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#35
I hadn't touched the wiki in years because I couldn't login anymore. I had forgotten I have an AOL e-mail account, which I used to create that wiki.

Anyway, I started the Archdemon pages in both the "Characters" and the "Terminology" section. Same with the Chimeras. It's still very basic stuff, which I'll expand next time. It's midnight here and I want to sleep.

By the way, check out GENZOMAN's deviantART account. He made some amazing artwork of the Angels of Prostitution.
 

Ryuugi

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#36
Thanks, Daneel, it looks awesome. I'll post the links in question here:

http://drgospel.pbworks.com/Characters

http://drgospel.pbworks.com/Chimera

http://drgospel.pbworks.com/Chimeras_charas

http://drgospel.pbworks.com/The-Ten-Archdemons

http://drgospel.pbworks.com/The-Angels-of-Prostitution

Though I'm confused by something, Daneel. Beelzebub, Belphegor, and Lucifuge Rofocale have higher ratings then I wuld have guessed from their Agendas. Could you explain their power (especially given that Baal has Multiplicity, one of the strongest Agendas (going by true stories), and is level 66).

Also, is there a story behind why Moloch/Satan have the same Agenda as Lilith?
 

Daneel Rush

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#37
Damn, I made a serious mistake there. That's what I get for copy-pasting indiscriminately late at night. Baal's level is actually 86 (makes you wonder how little Ken can beat that monster). Thanks for noticing. I'll input the proper levels and I'll come back in a while to answer your question.

EDIT: Moloch and Lilith share the Agenda of Duality because they both represent significant examples of duality in the universe, not unlike Raphael, Michael and the Agenda of Healing. Just like the "major shareholder" of the Healing Agenda is Raphael, the "major" owner of the Duality Agenda is Moloch, because the duality he represents is the greatest.
 

Ryuugi

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#38
Daneel Rush said:
Damn, I made a serious mistake there. That's what I get for copy-pasting indiscriminately late at night. Baal's level is actually 86 (makes you wonder how little Jeri can beat that monster). Thanks for noticing. I'll input the proper levels and I'll come back in a while to answer your question.

EDIT: Moloch and Lilith share the Agenda of Duality because they both represent significant examples of duality in the universe, not unlike Raphael, Michael and the Agenda of Healing. Just like the "major shareholder" of the Healing Agenda is Raphael, the "major" owner of the Duality Agenda is Moloch, because the duality he represents is the greatest.
Because Moloch himself is a Duality (he's both Moloch and Satan), whereas Lilith is just a Duality in that she ad Adam are two people, instead of one, right?

Edit: And you updated the Archangel section too, I see.

(Which can be found here: http://drgospel.pbworks.com/Archangel )
 

Daneel Rush

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#40
Not just that disappeared. Weird. Maybe someone's trying to give me a hint here.

EDIT: Ok, restored the work of the past two days. Unfortunately, some of the pages I had written two years ago also disappeared (Aeternal, Agenda, Angel), and I didn't make hard copies of those, so they're gone for good. I'll have to rewrite those...at some point.

Also, I added the Archdemon page to the "Terminology" section.
 

Ryuugi

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#41
Daneel Rush said:
Not just that disappeared. Weird. Maybe someone's trying to give me a hint here.

EDIT: Ok, restored the work of the past two days. Unfortunately, some of the pages I had written two years ago also disappeared (Aeternal, Agenda, Angel), and I didn't make hard copies of those, so they're gone for good. I'll have to rewrite those...at some point.

Also, I added the Archdemon page to the "Terminology" section.
Hm...is there a way to stop that sort of thing? I've never made a wiki, so I don't know.

Also, in the Archdemon section, it says this:

"The Archdemons are the former angels who led LuciferÆs rebellion as his commanders. They are all siblings, born of Sophia and Adam Kadmon. The descent into hell has changed into obscure mockeries of what they used to be, their radiance replaced by an irredeemable thirst for chaos and destruction. They are the manifestations of the evil in this world, and the shadows of the Ten Archangels.



There are two exceptions to the previous statements. Asmodeus is a recent addition to the group; a youngling within Supernal standards, being younger than even humanity. The other exception is, of course, me.ö

What about Lilith's four daughters?
 

Daneel Rush

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#42
I don't really count them as Archdemons. I know they have the tile (I gave it to them), but my mind does not acknowledge them, so they always escape my mind.
 

Ryuugi

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#43
Daneel Rush said:
I don't really count them as Archdemons. I know they have the tile (I gave it to them), but my mind does not acknowledge them, so they always escape my mind.
Ah, I see. Out of curiosity, is that because of their low power (for Archdemons), or something else?
 

Ryuugi

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#44
I was rereading the Archangel section, and I noticed a few (fairly small) things, Daneel. In Kamael's section:

ôKamael, the first of Adam and SophiaÆs children, is a warrior first and foremost. HeÆs a stalwart protector of Heaven, sworn enemy of Hell and the most eager to stand on the front lines when War dawns upon the Supernal Realms. This, of course, does not mean Raziel is some sort of warmonger obsessed with violence. He truly wishes for peace and would definitely enjoy a reality in which wars are not necessary. However, he understands and accepts that conflict is a necessary element, and devotes his existence to make sure Heaven is ready to face such conflict.
I think that should be Kamael.

In Raphael's section:

ôRaphael is definitely the mightiest of the Archangels who is not also an Aspect of God. A lover of life like no other, and a being who enjoys absolutely everything he does. He is not a jack-of-all-trades like Tzaphkiel, but that does not stop him from helping anywhere and in any way he can. HeÆs everywhere he might (or not) be needed. He can be the helping hand, the listening ears, the watchful eyes or even the shoulder to cry on. That also makes him HeavenÆs greatest gossip, I guess. Humans might find people like Raphael annoying but, in the Eternal Static Realm of Paradise, there are few beings as loved as the Sixth Archangel. Raphael is no fool, though. He would never possess the power he wields if he lacked the wisdom to use it properly.
I think Raziel was the jack-of-all-trades.

I'll check the Archdemon section later.
 

Ryuugi

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#45
Sorry for the triple post.

We know that the Aspects came into being in a certain order. The twins, triplets, and Sophia. I have several questions about this.

When did Micael come into existence? How far apart were the births of the Aspects? We know from what Takako said in the last chapter of Ruby Ring that 'For a very long time, it would be just the two of them.' How long were Adam and Lilith alone? Do any of their children predate the other Aspects?

And speaking of Aspects, we know very little about Shekinah. Adam and Lilith were basically the focus of the story, so while we don't know much, we do know a bit. Micael was Jesus, 'nuff said. The two Archangel's got write ups. And we've heard quite a bit about Sophia (in bits and pieces); enough to at least know a bit about her. But despite showing up in True Stories, we basically know nothing about Wife #2.
 

Ryuugi

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#46
Dammit, a quadruple post.

Anyway, I'll forget about these if I don't write them down, so...

Just some things I noticed:

In the Reality Script section:

Under Ark of the Covenant:

The Truth Shall Make You Free
I think the term is 'The Truth Shall Set You Free.

Under Garden of Babylon:

"Well, what can I say? Not precisely the favorite of my techniques (too demanding), but I won't deny it's wonderful......and very useful! Those who see it don't live to tell the tale, and those few who survive are too traumatized to open their mouths. How many souls have I claimed with Gardens of Babylon? I stopped counting......where? Sparta? Persia? Carthage? I forgot. It's a real shame warfare it's no longer like it used to be. Back then it was so entertaining.
Didn't this use to be longer? Something about being evil not protecting against it or something (more material to work with I think it said).

Under Pandora's Box:

Range: A cubical volume of up to 1Æ000.000.000 cubic meters.
Could you clarify this? I assume you mean 1,000,000,000 cubic meters, but I want to make sure.

Under Seder Hishtalshelus:

"Onii-chan's Reality Script. Needless to say, it's awesome. Becuase everything onii-chan does is wonderful (*sigh...*). While shaping matter is not such a big deal (I can do it, even scientists can do it!), the real deal with this technique is the incredible efficiency and ease with which it accomplishes its effect. It's like onii-chan laughs at Einstein's face (nothing personal, Eins, we're cool, remember?). Besides, Seder Hishtalshelus (heck, even the name is awesome!) can do other things besides shaping matter. Cool things."
Might be wrong, but I think that should be 'in'.

While Takako fulfills her needs by reaching her storage, Takato simply creates what he needs.
Into he storage, maybe?

Under Treasury of Nitocris:

This is realm of the forgotten.
The realm, maybe.

In the Ten Archdemons section:

Under Belphegor:

Misanthropic Lord of the Opening
He/she is mentioned as a Lord in this section and a Lady in the other. I honestly don't know which is correct though.
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I'll get around to the Archdemon section eventually, I swear. I'm just busy rereading Silent Sorrow.

...Actually, speaking of Tamer's Forever, rereading it, I remembered that I never told about something.

You often use the word 'ignore' in places where I think you mean 'do not know about or of'. Is that intentional?
 

kitsuneb

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#47
The omnivice traits always confused me.

The Emerald, Ruby and Amyethst are understandable ending up as foils for their partners but the other confused me. How did you choose them as the Traits?
 

Ryuugi

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#48
kitsuneb said:
The omnivice traits always confused me.

The Emerald, Ruby and Amyethst are understandable ending up as foils for their partners but the other confused me. How did you choose them as the Traits?
Daneel said that he was going to be really busy during February, so he can't really spend much time on Gospel. Try back during March, and you'll probably have more luck.

However, most of the current information on the Omnivices could be would in Gospel 00, so you might want to look through that. Or just wait until I start rereading it after I finish Silent Sorrow, and I'll tell you what I find.
 

Ryuugi

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#49
Okay, I'll post as I go. I'm currently on Chapter 15 of Silent Sorrow, where Ayla, the Opal Omnivice Trait is introduced. Here's what's said on the subject:

ôMy dear Ayla, you have PaulineÆs beauty and RukiÆs courage. You are specially designed to be a battle strategist, and your skills are beyond comparison. It is now your time, you shall join your Tamer.ö
As such, I believe Ayla was chosen because, well, Hikari isn't really a fighter. She can hold her own, as proven in Season 01 against Myotismon, and most of Season 02, but, frankly, that mainly just her letting Gatomon fight. Letting Gatomon fight isn't going to be enough in Gospel, and Hikari, unlike the Tamers, Takeru, and DC, hasn't ever been in a situation in which she had to use a lot of stratagy on the fly, or really at all. 01 and 02 are basically 'find the bad guy and beat the shit out of him after level grinding'. Which, granted, worked (violence really is the answer to everything!). But still, she was going to get some obvious benefits from having Ayla.

In addition, if memory serves, Ayla has the ability to use Cards for Hikari, which Hikari has no real practice with, so yeah.

Ie. Ayla covers most of the holes Hikari has in her combat suit.
 

Ryuugi

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#50
Their was nothing about the Diamond Trait in Silent Sorrow. Well, nothing useful, at least. Maybe in Book 00.

On a different note, what happened to this page, Daneel:

http://drgospel.pbworks.com/Characters

Weren't there sections for Takato and Adam's wives? And some others, too, I believe. Let me check.

Yeah, it used to look like this (I saved a lot of stuff):

Matsuki Takato
ôThe Alpha and the Omega; Primum Mobile; Lord of All That Was, Is, and Will Be; Tzimzum, The Great Father; The Primordial Man; Anthropos; Ha-Rishon; Systema Sephiroticum; Architect of Boundaries; Shaper of Reality; Patriarch of Heaven; The Infinite Being; Systemic SovereignàOnii-chan.ö
The primary protagonist of GOSPEL; the glory of God fills the world with hope and brightnessà


The Triune, Rachel
ôThe proud trinity, bound by infinite love.ö
Lilith, Sophia & Shekinah, the three wives of Adam Kadmon, and main characters of GOSPEL.


The Ten Archangels
ôThe radiant leaders of the Army of Heaven, stalwart protectors of Balance.ö
Matsuki TakatoÆs foremost allies and the main focus of Books 1-6.


The Ten Archdemons
ôThe wicked leaders of the Hordes of Hell, harbingers of Chaos and destruction and vile shadows of the Archangels.ö
Antitheses of the Archangels and their most dangerous opponents. Moloch was introduced as early as Book One, and the others appeared in Books Four and Five. They are all defeated in Book Six, ôThe Day of Revelation.ö


The Heavenly Host
ôThose among the Incarnated Divinities and Aeternals who were smart enough to pick onii-chanÆs and my side.ö
Incarnated characters that fought alongside Takato in the Last Holy War.


The Hellish Horde
ôLosers. Agenda-hungry losers, the whole lot of them.ö
Incarnated characters who challenged the Army of Heaven during the Last Holy War.


The Next Generation
ôThe war was over, but there were still some loose ends...those were painful timesàfor all of us.ö
Nonaka Arisu, Minami Kotoko & Yumemiya Lillia, the main characters of Book Seven, ôPromise of the Setting Sun.ö


The Demonic Revolution
ôAmbition is worthless without the power to make it reality.ö
Samael, the Father of Demons, and his servants; the antagonists of Book Seven, ôPromise of the Setting Sun.ö


Other Characters
ôCannon fodder.ö
I thought maybe you changed it, but it says it hasn't been changed in three weeks, and the same goes for recent activity.
 
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