Ranma ½ Got Change?

[nick012000]

I'm pretty sure the Jem'Hadar will destroy any modern armies. They have their phase dilated mines, orbital superiority and lets not forget superior weapons and gods know what else.

You are also taking about an insurgency being able to hinder a people whose response to insurgencies is to give everyone the equivalent of aids and let them suffer.

Doesn't matter. Star Trek has absolutely abominably incompetent militaries. They're just laughable. The Federation redshirts would horribly lose to modern Earth, and the Jem'Hadar lose to Feddie redshirts. A rifle will kill you just as dead as a phaser, and unlike the Trek powers do, we use our infantry competently, and we practice combined arms. Having a starship in orbit won't do you much good if you have artillery raining down on your heads or IEDs going off next to you. Not to mention that the US is specialized in fighting insurgencies right now, and those troopers will be able to put the tactics they've seen the hajjis use to good use against the invaders.

Like you said, Raa, the Jem'Hadar's only hope of winning in the indiscriminate use of WMDs. Of course, they're the villains of this story, so obviously they're going to lose horribly regardless; how realistically you portray the militaries will only influence the way they lose. It would be sort of funny to see the martial artists teaming up with the hajjis teaming up with the ex-Western military people (and the people trained by them: training insurgencies is one of the many thing Special Forces are trained to do) in a sort of Rebel Alliance. Heck, you could even have the Special Forces soldiers as being martial artists themselves; their hand-to-hand styles follow a very similar philosophy to Anything Goes, and in a universe where the esoteric stuff actually works...

 

[Lord Raa]

Some responses to people's posts

1) At the time when this story is set, counter insurgency tactics weren't properly developed. This is the early 1990's, not 2005 or later.

/b/ The Dominion will only put up with so much insurgency before they decide to poison the water/air/food supply, if not destroy the planet's surface to save time.

Remember, no Earth means no Federation. No Federation means no Section 31, which means no virus that poisons the Founders.

That makes a convincing argument for eradicating all life in our solar system, does it not?

?) Delightfully racist terminology there, nick012000.

Ç) More hints shall be revealed as to what's going to happen to Earth and its remaining population in good time.

Well, assuming I don't decide to go out and get drunk tonight/tomorrow night/lose the will/ability to write that is.

?) The Stargate reference is for Snake in the Horse's Shadow

 

[shinzero01]

I am quite curious as to where your going with this story.

 

[PCHeintz72]

For those thinking we could win against the Dominion... in 990, in 2005, or even now.

No... No chance.

Now, in a conventional firefight with even sides... possibly.

But what many do not take into account is advances in armor, personal force shields... ship borne phasers than can be set to wide area surface stun, transporters to transport weapons away from people, transport people to detainment, or transport bombs into enemy facilities...

Guys... it ain't happening... no planning we do can effectivly block those capabilities.

 

[nick012000]

But what many do not take into account is advances in armor, personal force shields... ship borne phasers than can be set to wide area surface stun, transporters to transport weapons away from people, transport people to detainment, or transport bombs into enemy facilities...

Except, you know, that noone in Star Trek ever wears armor or personal force fields other than the Borg. They never use phasers for "wide area stun", and the Dominion doesn't have phasers in any case; the only people who use them are the Feddies. As for transporters, well, they're hardly reliable; they've been foiled by funny rocks and don't work inside force fields or with sufficient interference. Not to mention that they're never used in an offensive fashion like you postulate. Noone ever transports people's weapons away from them, or transports boarders into the brig.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Except, you know, that noone in Star Trek ever wears armor or personal force fields other than the Borg.

We've seen perimeter force fields and bases shielded. Cooridors on star ships and bases have them as well. We've seen portable shielding in use.

never use phasers for "wide area stun

Kirk used them in the original series for the episode 'A piece of the action' However, I do recall it being used in TNG as well, I believe it was the one they tried to stun everyone in a community, and trick them on the holodeck until they could get them to a new colony world... They were helping Worf's human adaptive brother.

and the Dominion doesn't have phasers in any case; the only people who use them are the Feddies.

That is true, as generally, unless needed by a founder... Jem Hadar generally prefer to kill over taking prisoners... that is actually worse for hope for insurgencies.

As for transporters, well, they're hardly reliable; they've been foiled by funny rocks and don't work inside force fields or with sufficient interference.

I seriously doubt there is much of anything on this planet technology wise we can bring to bear to disrupt a transporter that would not also cause us to be very dead. Including singularities, gravity wells, ion radiation... etc...

Not to mention that they're never used in an offensive fashion like you postulate. Noone ever transports people's weapons away from them, or transports boarders into the brig.

Untrue... there are a few instances... for example... I remember at least one hostage situation where they beamed both aboard, and relieved or deactivated the weapon in transport. We can hold someone in transporters until security arrives, or even disburse them... bio scans and harmful microbes and what not can be selectively removed.


Of course... this is all assuming comparable technology between Jem Hadar and Federation, and of course, the fact this is a AU story anyway.

 

[Lord Raa]

Old data, pay it no mind.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Sniggers... well, if that won't put a kink in the invasion plans.

 

[Lord Raa]

Old data, pay it no mind.

 

[Dumbledork]

Interesting.

 

[Delusionist]

Anyone want to take odds on Akane accidentally pouring Ranma all over herself?

 

[Andy2kk]

heh, when will the Vorta realise that Ranma isn't one of their homeplanet Founders. Cause they did send out a load of them all about space, but did the Vorta know that? Can't remember if they did or not.

Whatever you do, liking this new direction so far!

 

[semil]

Genma chuckled. ôOr maybe theyÆve come for some ancient technology?ö

ôYou mean, something that weÆve been unaware of for hundreds, if not thousands of years even though it shaped some of our history and beliefs?ö

This sounds like a few different things, but were you thinking of something in particular when you wrote that?

 

[PCHeintz72]

DonÆt worry me, IÆll be fine after IÆve had a nap.ö

there should IMHO be something between 'worry' and 'me' in that first portion, like 'about'.

 

[nantukoprime]

heh, when will the Vorta realise that Ranma isn't one of their homeplanet Founders. Cause they did send out a load of them all about space, but did the Vorta know that? Can't remember if they did or not.

Whatever you do, liking this new direction so far!

If I remember correctly, that was the entire point of the Dominion arc of DS9.

Odo was a Founder, but was so disconnected due to his scouting duty that it was a big hooplah when he was discovered again by...I want to say a 'female' Founder, but could have been one of the servile races. More drama followed of course, but that was the pertinent part.

 

[PCHeintz72]

heh, when will the Vorta realise that Ranma isn't one of their homeplanet Founders. Cause they did send out a load of them all about space, but did the Vorta know that? Can't remember if they did or not.

Whatever you do, liking this new direction so far!

If I remember correctly, that was the entire point of the Dominion arc of DS9.

Odo was a Founder, but was so disconnected due to his scouting duty that it was a big hooplah when he was discovered again by...I want to say a 'female' Founder, but could have been one of the servile races. More drama followed of course, but that was the pertinent part.

The Jem Hadar will always follow the founder collective first, then the individual founders, then the Vorta.

The Vorta in turn will also follow the founder collective first, then the individual founders.

However... the Vorta are more free to pursue their own interest and interpret things in their own way so long as it does not conflict with Founder directives... an example of this was the relaxation chambers the Vorta Weyunn was helping the scientist on DS9 with (the one whom was by human standards a paranoid freak, whom though himself being chased down to have his work suppressed by the 'orthodox' as he put it)

 

[Lord Raa]

Genma chuckled. ôOr maybe theyÆve come for some ancient technology?ö

ôYou mean, something that weÆve been unaware of for hundreds, if not thousands of years even though it shaped some of our history and beliefs?ö

This sounds like a few different things, but were you thinking of something in particular when you wrote that?

It's a reference to Stargate.

Also, more.


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Aboard KolvaÆs ship, Delad had been trying to explain what heÆd seen to the rest of the Vorta without disobeying the orders heÆd been given.

ôSo, you canÆt really tell me why we canÆt obliterate the planet, other than we canÆt?ö Kolva asked. ôNo, IÆm sorry, but as the leader of this taskforce, I need to keep all the options open for as long as possible.ö

Delad cursed his inability to express himself. It was one of the reasons why he was only a low ranking Vorta, barely fit for commanding the JemÆHadar troops under him.

ôBut...ö

ôBut what, Delad? What is it that youÆve found that changes everything about our mission?ö

ôHe asked me not to say anything, but...ö Delad sighed. ôBut thereÆs a Founder on the surface and he explicitly said ædonÆt blow up the planetÆ.ö

ôWhat?ö KolvaÆs face fell. ôA FounderÆs here? Where did you meet him?ö

ôOn patrol, in the Nerima ward of Tokyo.ö

ôDouble the patrols in Tokyo, weÆve got to keep him safe. The orders are to be on the lookout for suspicious activity, but be discrete û if the humans learn about his presence, they may try something,ö Kolva ordered. ôI can assure you of this though, that should they harm the Founder, I will erase every trace of humanity from this system.ö


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[semil]

ôI can assure you of this though, that should they harm the Founder, I will erase every trace of humanity from this system.ö


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Its funny because pretty much everything that happens to Ranma in canon involves somehow hurting him.

 

[Lord Raa]

Old data, pay it no mind.

 

[Lord Raa]

Old data, pay it no mind.

 

[Khortez]

I was just thinking, Odo was the only changeling shown having to use a bucket and not be able to make proper facial features. Ranma, already having reverted back to his human body and been able to manipulate it, has shown a bit more skill than Odo had shown.

Assuming that you continue this story long term, is the bucket something you are going to faze out or will you keep it in, to differentiate Ranma from the other Founders.

 

[PCHeintz72]

ôMy dad could be you!ö
'be' s/b 'beat'

EDIT:

I was just thinking, Odo was the only changeling shown having to use a bucket and not be able to make proper facial features. Ranma, already having reverted back to his human body and been able to manipulate it, has shown a bit more skill than Odo had shown.

Assuming that you continue this story long term, is the bucket something you are going to faze out or will you keep it in, to differentiate Ranma from the other Founders.

Odo did not have the huge amount of training that the Founders did in control and built up power to prevent reverting back.

Now, as for Ranma being better as a shapshifter... I would put it on the fact instead that he had a human shape to begin with, and something he could lock his form into.

 

[Delusionist]

Huh. I don't think Soun has EVER been challenged to a sparring match by Ranma, in canon or fanfiction. This should be interesting.

 

[Lord Raa]

Old data, pay it no mind.

 

[Lord Raa]

Old data, pay it no mind.