Akamatsuverse Harem Comparisons: TM vs LH vs AYA vs H&HC
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That chart does have some errors and omissions; that's because it's outdated for the latest OVAs and other materials. TigerCow, the guy who made that family tree originally, has since posted an up-to-date version, which can be found here: http://tmau.fateback.com/articles/family_tree.html
That chart fails. It only covers the OAVs, completely disregarding the manga characters that Kajishima also created and confirmed as canon. Namely, Minagi and Yakage, Yume and Hishima, and the shapeshifer Gohei.
Seeing how in the end of the manga Gohei marries into a branch of the Imperial Jurai family, I'd say he's important enough. And Yume and Washu go back a very long way - apparently, Washu first met her some 400 years before the manga, if not more (Yume is very old even by Juraian standards).
Seeing how in the end of the manga Gohei marries into a branch of the Imperial Jurai family, I'd say he's important enough. And Yume and Washu go back a very long way - apparently, Washu first met her some 400 years before the manga, if not more (Yume is very old even by Juraian standards).
GXP, however you slice it, is part of the TM:R continuity though, and is just as canon to that continuity as any of the OVAs.
GH, the manga you're thinking of was not made by Kajishima. It was made by Hitoshi Okuda, and I've never seen anything saying that Kajishima confirmed it - although it does still hold closely to the canon itself.
GH, the manga you're thinking of was not made by Kajishima. It was made by Hitoshi Okuda, and I've never seen anything saying that Kajishima confirmed it - although it does still hold closely to the canon itself.
Okuda specifically cooperated with Kajishima in creating the characters from it, in case you missed the old interviews he released. Kajishima himself mentions he intends to add Minagi if he ever does any more Tenchi...
Furthermore, there's a very large mistake in the cart, namely Kagato's supposed relationship to Sasami. It is NEVER confirmed, and remains a rumor. It may be true or may not.
Furthermore, there's a very large mistake in the cart, namely Kagato's supposed relationship to Sasami. It is NEVER confirmed, and remains a rumor. It may be true or may not.
Sorry, but you're going to need to link me to these interviews, as I've never even heard of them. Likewise, the fact that Okuda kept closely to the TM:R canon doesn't mean that his manga is part of it (though I personally think it should be), since nothing that happens in the manga affects the rest of the series. Despite what Kajishima may or may not have said, he personally does Tenchi doujins and novels all the time, and has never once used Minagi or Yume, for example.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean about Kagato and Sasami. The chart I linked to above doesn't show any relationship between them, and that seems correct.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean about Kagato and Sasami. The chart I linked to above doesn't show any relationship between them, and that seems correct.
Can you read Italian? If so, no problem. The interviews were published on Kappa Magazine, which is a container magazine with various series in it, in the occasion of the first release of Tenchi Muyo! in Italy.
I can try to scan the interview, assuming I can get ahold of a scanner, and post them.
And if it sounds suspicious to you, keep in mind that here in Italy we take manga *very* seriously, not like the shit Viz pulls with unauthorized edits. Exclusive interviews abund among our mags, including ones to Akira Toriyama, Tsukasa Hojo, Haruka Inui and Keiko Sakisaka.
Also, Kagato is related to Sasami, as he's a clone of a direct ancestor of hers. Check the chart. Since clones share the same genetic code as the originals, the point is valid.
I can try to scan the interview, assuming I can get ahold of a scanner, and post them.
And if it sounds suspicious to you, keep in mind that here in Italy we take manga *very* seriously, not like the shit Viz pulls with unauthorized edits. Exclusive interviews abund among our mags, including ones to Akira Toriyama, Tsukasa Hojo, Haruka Inui and Keiko Sakisaka.
Also, Kagato is related to Sasami, as he's a clone of a direct ancestor of hers. Check the chart. Since clones share the same genetic code as the originals, the point is valid.
I can't read Italian, but I look forward to seeing it just the same. Maybe Babelfish could help (not bloody likely though).
I'm a bit confused about what you mean about the chart being suspect because of the whole Sasami/Kagato thing though. It just says that Kagato is (almost certainly) a clone of the original Akara Naja, who may or may not be Seto, Sasami's grandmother. Given that you're referencing the chart there, how is that an error?
I'm a bit confused about what you mean about the chart being suspect because of the whole Sasami/Kagato thing though. It just says that Kagato is (almost certainly) a clone of the original Akara Naja, who may or may not be Seto, Sasami's grandmother. Given that you're referencing the chart there, how is that an error?
Fun Tenchi questions which may never be fully answered:
How old is Tenchi? We know he lived in the temple with his grandfather, but is it possible that, like Sasami, he's over a hundred and just doesn't realize it?
Is Tenchi's mom alive but in hiding due to her age? Unknown. Hopefully answered in the new OVA.
Why hasn't Washu realized that Mihoshi is related? What will she do when she does figure it out?
How will Tenchi react to Mihoshi's grief, and the revelation that her ditziness is artificial? She suddenly becomes more of a catch once she becomes more intelligent like the other girls.
How will Mihoshi's personality change once she regains her intelligence and realizes the situation in Tenchi's household? (that one alone is worthy of a good Tenchi fanfic)
In Tenchi GXP, you see Tenchi is still surrounded by all the girls from OVA 1&2. In various fanfics he's been ascribed to having been created by Tsunami as her perfect mate, which trumps the other girls. However Tsunami is not a cruel goddess so maybe she's willing to share. However, this also means she is not going to allow Sasami to stay his "little sister" for long if romantic events speed up. Could she be responsible for delaying his choice as it gives Sasami a chance to grow up emotionally? With their multi-millenium lifespans and growth spurts, Jurians may spend a long time in various stages of life, then spurt into the next stage. Sasami has been in a 12-yo appearance stage for 700 years of stasis, and decades before that. Is she ready to grow up more and spurt up to around 17 yo? Or will she go full Tsunami in order to insure Sasami can win Tenchi? Tenchi is one of the few where the end of OVA: Here Comes The Bride seemed jarring having him declared with only one of the girls (the crowd favorite, no less). Considering his affection for each of them, and the balance constantly tweaked by Yosho to maintain the household, including Ayeka and Mihoshi, isn't Tenchi being groomed for all of them? Did Yosho figure out early that Tenchi was meant for great things, or did Tsunami tell him directly? Or is Yosho just having a little fun with them, as he's as much a trickster as Sasami is.
Washu seems to be self-supressing scientific thoughts and ideas which could cause her to prematurely regain her memories. We already know she's one of the 3 goddesses. I think that's why she can't figure out Mihoshi, though its just a DNA scan away. I understand from spoilers that she's going to "come out" in the new OVA, which is fine.
Can Tenchi's household dynamic survive losing any of the girls? He gains them and survives, but can he lose them, even one of the core girls from OVA 1&2? A big part of his affection for them is they cure his years of loneliness, which is probably the reason that Yosho allowed Tenchi the key to Ryoko's prison in the first place.
BTW, I enjoyed Bader Powell's tie-in between Tenchi and Ranma through Yosho and Cologne. Having Tenchi and Ranma be cousins was amusing.
How old is Tenchi? We know he lived in the temple with his grandfather, but is it possible that, like Sasami, he's over a hundred and just doesn't realize it?
Is Tenchi's mom alive but in hiding due to her age? Unknown. Hopefully answered in the new OVA.
Why hasn't Washu realized that Mihoshi is related? What will she do when she does figure it out?
How will Tenchi react to Mihoshi's grief, and the revelation that her ditziness is artificial? She suddenly becomes more of a catch once she becomes more intelligent like the other girls.
How will Mihoshi's personality change once she regains her intelligence and realizes the situation in Tenchi's household? (that one alone is worthy of a good Tenchi fanfic)
In Tenchi GXP, you see Tenchi is still surrounded by all the girls from OVA 1&2. In various fanfics he's been ascribed to having been created by Tsunami as her perfect mate, which trumps the other girls. However Tsunami is not a cruel goddess so maybe she's willing to share. However, this also means she is not going to allow Sasami to stay his "little sister" for long if romantic events speed up. Could she be responsible for delaying his choice as it gives Sasami a chance to grow up emotionally? With their multi-millenium lifespans and growth spurts, Jurians may spend a long time in various stages of life, then spurt into the next stage. Sasami has been in a 12-yo appearance stage for 700 years of stasis, and decades before that. Is she ready to grow up more and spurt up to around 17 yo? Or will she go full Tsunami in order to insure Sasami can win Tenchi? Tenchi is one of the few where the end of OVA: Here Comes The Bride seemed jarring having him declared with only one of the girls (the crowd favorite, no less). Considering his affection for each of them, and the balance constantly tweaked by Yosho to maintain the household, including Ayeka and Mihoshi, isn't Tenchi being groomed for all of them? Did Yosho figure out early that Tenchi was meant for great things, or did Tsunami tell him directly? Or is Yosho just having a little fun with them, as he's as much a trickster as Sasami is.
Washu seems to be self-supressing scientific thoughts and ideas which could cause her to prematurely regain her memories. We already know she's one of the 3 goddesses. I think that's why she can't figure out Mihoshi, though its just a DNA scan away. I understand from spoilers that she's going to "come out" in the new OVA, which is fine.
Can Tenchi's household dynamic survive losing any of the girls? He gains them and survives, but can he lose them, even one of the core girls from OVA 1&2? A big part of his affection for them is they cure his years of loneliness, which is probably the reason that Yosho allowed Tenchi the key to Ryoko's prison in the first place.
BTW, I enjoyed Bader Powell's tie-in between Tenchi and Ranma through Yosho and Cologne. Having Tenchi and Ranma be cousins was amusing.
Tenchi is around 20 years old or so. I mean, if he lived to be 100, he would have figured out LONG ago that he wasn't normal. Now, him not realizing it... I'm sure that is... possible. But if that was the case, it was never revealed in the OVAs.
It's pretty much confirmed that she died. Now, she lived a VERY long time granted, but... [spoilers]She died of natural causes. In other words, age.[/spoilers]
This I'm not sure. Maybe she has, but didn't disclose it. Or, she never bothered. I mean, a ditzy girl related to the greatest scientific genius in the world?
Question left up to future OVAs.
Same as the question before it.
Now this is meaty question. Or more apporiately, questions. I'm personally a Tsunami/Tenchi fan. And... there really isn't an answer to this until Kajishima makes more of it. IMO? I'm not sure if Tsunami planned to be Tenchi's mate etc. If it happens, I'm sure she will be happy. :snigger: If not, well, no sweat off her back so to speak. At least the other girl would be happy right?
She did kind of come out. After all, OVA3 is meant to be the Chousin War. Beyond that, well, um, not sure. I only read OVA3 spoilers. Didn't see the series itself. But there wasn't a lot of time interactiing with the characters besides Tenchi and...Noike (one thing I guess fans of say Ryoko or Ayeka were disappointed about was that OVA3 placed those characters into the background more in this one).
Hmm. Good question. And this is probably why the 'harem' route is probably likely. Now, no reason for him not choose one of them (and this is still a possiblity) it just means that, I doubt the household could stay in tact if he did choose one. And we already saw that a harem is possible. Just look at Ayeka and Sasami's parents.
Now, back to the manga question...
I'll have to side with Alzius on this one. The reason why GXP is considered canon, and not the manga isn't that Kajishima had his hand on it 100% (he didn't), but, well, he worked on the main story of GXP at least. And so, he can say storywise, it is a part of his OVAs. After all, it was where we first say Noike. If it was a true spinoff like the other series, he could have easily used Kyone instead.
As for the manga, Yes, Okuda did work extensively with Kajishima. The only reason why you never see hardcore Tenchi fans call it canon is due to the fact that Kajishima did not have a direct hand on it (storywise, etc.) even though Okuda is an important part of the Tenchi verse with his work on the OVAs and so forth. And based on the series doesn't mean too much. I mean, Lord of the Ring movies were based on the book obviously. But I seriously doubt you will see any LotR fan calling it canon despite the fact that for the most part, the scenes are all in tact (the ones he kept in at least).
It's pretty much confirmed that she died. Now, she lived a VERY long time granted, but... [spoilers]She died of natural causes. In other words, age.[/spoilers]
This I'm not sure. Maybe she has, but didn't disclose it. Or, she never bothered. I mean, a ditzy girl related to the greatest scientific genius in the world?
Question left up to future OVAs.
Same as the question before it.
Now this is meaty question. Or more apporiately, questions.
I'm personally a Tsunami/Tenchi fan. And... there really isn't an answer to this until Kajishima makes more of it. IMO? I'm not sure if Tsunami planned to be Tenchi's mate etc. If it happens, I'm sure she will be happy. :snigger: If not, well, no sweat off her back so to speak. At least the other girl would be happy right?She did kind of come out. After all, OVA3 is meant to be the Chousin War. Beyond that, well, um, not sure.
I only read OVA3 spoilers. Didn't see the series itself. But there wasn't a lot of time interactiing with the characters besides Tenchi and...Noike (one thing I guess fans of say Ryoko or Ayeka were disappointed about was that OVA3 placed those characters into the background more in this one).Hmm. Good question. And this is probably why the 'harem' route is probably likely. Now, no reason for him not choose one of them (and this is still a possiblity) it just means that, I doubt the household could stay in tact if he did choose one. And we already saw that a harem is possible. Just look at Ayeka and Sasami's parents.
Now, back to the manga question...
I'll have to side with Alzius on this one. The reason why GXP is considered canon, and not the manga isn't that Kajishima had his hand on it 100% (he didn't), but, well, he worked on the main story of GXP at least. And so, he can say storywise, it is a part of his OVAs. After all, it was where we first say Noike. If it was a true spinoff like the other series, he could have easily used Kyone instead.
As for the manga, Yes, Okuda did work extensively with Kajishima. The only reason why you never see hardcore Tenchi fans call it canon is due to the fact that Kajishima did not have a direct hand on it (storywise, etc.) even though Okuda is an important part of the Tenchi verse with his work on the OVAs and so forth. And based on the series doesn't mean too much. I mean, Lord of the Ring movies were based on the book obviously. But I seriously doubt you will see any LotR fan calling it canon despite the fact that for the most part, the scenes are all in tact (the ones he kept in at least).
The manga also has Tenchi's mom in it, but she looks completely different from Kiyone - she had a ponytail, a different name (Achika, IIRC) and died early because she overtaxed her body to protect Tenchi from Kain during the whole time travel mess.
She also was an Earthling. In case some people forgot, it was stated repeatedly in both the manga and the various anime that Tenchi's mom was a human woman, which makes it very unlikely that Kiyone is his mom as per the Ryo-Ohki and GXP series (and as per that diagram), since that Kiyone is of Juraian descent... unless I am missing something.
She also was an Earthling. In case some people forgot, it was stated repeatedly in both the manga and the various anime that Tenchi's mom was a human woman, which makes it very unlikely that Kiyone is his mom as per the Ryo-Ohki and GXP series (and as per that diagram), since that Kiyone is of Juraian descent... unless I am missing something.
Something I found myself asking when I watched the first two episodes of "Here Comes the bride" OVA is
"Is Tenchi's mom off on a cruise and he's merely been told she's dead (despite the obvious pain that's caused him)"
and
"Is Tenchi 100 years old, but has lived most of it as a child, thus didn't realize he'd been basically 4 for the last 85 years?" He is the same bloodline as Sasami, after all. And she's 128 once you subtract out the 700 years in suspension. He's gotta have some good reason for his Chi reservoir, after all.
and
"Is the secret they're going to tell Tenchi that he's 100 years old and will live for 30K years like normal Juriains?" They've already hinted that his dad Noboyuki is at least 110 years old, since he fathered Tenchi's sister Tenyo, who is 90. Kinda puts things in perspective.
"Is Tenchi's mom off on a cruise and he's merely been told she's dead (despite the obvious pain that's caused him)"
and
"Is Tenchi 100 years old, but has lived most of it as a child, thus didn't realize he'd been basically 4 for the last 85 years?" He is the same bloodline as Sasami, after all. And she's 128 once you subtract out the 700 years in suspension. He's gotta have some good reason for his Chi reservoir, after all.
and
"Is the secret they're going to tell Tenchi that he's 100 years old and will live for 30K years like normal Juriains?" They've already hinted that his dad Noboyuki is at least 110 years old, since he fathered Tenchi's sister Tenyo, who is 90. Kinda puts things in perspective.
Unless they are all lying to him about his mom (again)... his mom is dead. <_<
The idea that he is 100 years old, but lived most of it as a child and in turn, doesn't know he lived to 100 years old... possible, but I see no evidence of that.
And the last question... possible, but NOT in OVA3. Would be a big revelation, but it was never stated there. If anything, it was more of a surprise to find out about his mom's true personality. Something that was different that what Tenchi remembered.
The idea that he is 100 years old, but lived most of it as a child and in turn, doesn't know he lived to 100 years old... possible, but I see no evidence of that.
And the last question... possible, but NOT in OVA3. Would be a big revelation, but it was never stated there. If anything, it was more of a surprise to find out about his mom's true personality. Something that was different that what Tenchi remembered.
Well, the part of the Okuda manga that you're referring to was his manga adaptation of the Tenchi Muyo in Love movie - that's not in the same context as the rest of his manga, the same way the Pretty Sammy manga he did isn't in that same context.
In regards to Kiyone - I'm not sure where it's stated repeatedly, as you say, that she was definitively human. Even then, she was at least part human, since Yosho is (and Airi isn't from Jurai at all, though she lives close to it now).
In regards to Kiyone - I'm not sure where it's stated repeatedly, as you say, that she was definitively human. Even then, she was at least part human, since Yosho is (and Airi isn't from Jurai at all, though she lives close to it now).
It seems like all I do lately is post links to John's columns over at AnimeNation, but recently he's been writing about topics that we've been going on about.
Here's a link to him comparing and contrasting Tenchi Muyo with Love Hina. I thought he did an interesting job: http://animenation.net/news/askjohn.php?id=1375
Here's a link to him comparing and contrasting Tenchi Muyo with Love Hina. I thought he did an interesting job: http://animenation.net/news/askjohn.php?id=1375