Harry Potter [Harry Potter]Miscellaneous ideas topic.

[Shirotsume]

Random thought: Dumbledore isn't a complete moron that refuses to properly punish Death Eaters, he's just as piss poor with sharing information as always.

In this case, the Dark mark is a perverted protean charm applied to the DE's very soul and anchored, quite literally, their flesh (the tattoo). The charm being applied to their very soul means it follows them unto death- lending Voldemort either A: the strength/magic/etc of their old body, a connection to the latent magic of the afterlife, whatever.

Long story short, every time you kill a DE, Voldemort personally gets stronger, though maybe only until that specific soul is reincarnated, which may take a while given that the soul is likely in 'time out' for their actions on the mortal coil. Regardless, Dumbledore can't let people kill off DE's.

As a bonus plot point, if their soul isn't wiped clean of its bonds upon reincarnation, you may have a baby that's born with a connection to the dark lord- an unstable one, given the lack of the tattoo to stabilize it, but it could bring about some really interesting character development and philosophy. Regulus would be a good soul to use- he died before Harry was born, and his penance would likely be shorter given his actions, so it could potentially be a child only a little bit younger than Harry- but still 'marked' by voldemort.

 

[chronodekar]

Random thought: Dumbledore isn't a complete moron that refuses to properly punish Death Eaters, he's just as piss poor with sharing information as always.

In this case, the Dark mark is a perverted protean charm applied to the DE's very soul and anchored, quite literally, their flesh (the tattoo). The charm being applied to their very soul means it follows them unto death- lending Voldemort either A: the strength/magic/etc of their old body, a connection to the latent magic of the afterlife, whatever.

Long story short, every time you kill a DE, Voldemort personally gets stronger, though maybe only until that specific soul is reincarnated, which may take a while given that the soul is likely in 'time out' for their actions on the mortal coil. Regardless, Dumbledore can't let people kill off DE's.

As a bonus plot point, if their soul isn't wiped clean of its bonds upon reincarnation, you may have a baby that's born with a connection to the dark lord- an unstable one, given the lack of the tattoo to stabilize it, but it could bring about some really interesting character development and philosophy. Regulus would be a good soul to use- he died before Harry was born, and his penance would likely be shorter given his actions, so it could potentially be a child only a little bit younger than Harry- but still 'marked' by voldemort.

I like the idea and am intrigued to see where it would go - particularily if we had a good explanation of how Dumbledore became so strong too. Perhaps before he was known as 'Dumbledore', he was a rampaging lunatic who gained too much power and beyond a point, repented his actions, decided to spend the rest of his (new) life doing good to society?

Or if we have an alternate explanation of how one could gain power without harvesting souls, that might work too.

-chronodekar

 

[seitora]

Not really sure where to go with this, but what if the trio decided 'fuck phoenixes' post-Deathly Hallows?

After all, Fawkes decides to ditch everyone after Dumbledore's funeral, and doesn't even return to help them in their hour of need or anything. Pretty much for all he seemingly cared Voldemort could win at that point.

Goes totally against the whole idea of Phoenixes being good and pure and so on. What a dick.

 

[chronodekar]

Not really sure where to go with this, but what if the trio decided 'fuck phoenixes' post-Deathly Hallows?

After all, Fawkes decides to ditch everyone after Dumbledore's funeral, and doesn't even return to help them in their hour of need or anything. Pretty much for all he seemingly cared Voldemort could win at that point.

Goes totally against the whole idea of Phoenixes being good and pure and so on. What a dick.

Considering that the Phoneix didn't make any appearances after that point, what would you plan to write about? The Trio going on a 'make-the-phoenix-extinct' war? Against a bird that no-one can find?

Some would consider that battle to be won, with those starting conditions... :hmm:

-chronodekar

 

[seitora]

I dunno, that's why I said I don't really know where to go with it.

I suppose I could turn Deathly Hallows into a 'kill-em-all' deathfest that has the heroes still win, but with a casualty rate of greater than two-thirds. Traumatised, the trio want revenge against anyone they view as responsible, and design a ritual to forcibly summon Fawkes and kill a ritual. But I don't like writing that kind of stuff, considering I've been soured off of dark HP fics by the sheer amount of shit and wankery that's been written into them

 

[nixofcyzerra]

Random thought: Dumbledore isn't a complete moron that refuses to properly punish Death Eaters, he's just as piss poor with sharing information as always.

In this case, the Dark mark is a perverted protean charm applied to the DE's very soul and anchored, quite literally, their flesh (the tattoo). The charm being applied to their very soul means it follows them unto death- lending Voldemort either A: the strength/magic/etc of their old body, a connection to the latent magic of the afterlife, whatever.

Long story short, every time you kill a DE, Voldemort personally gets stronger, though maybe only until that specific soul is reincarnated, which may take a while given that the soul is likely in 'time out' for their actions on the mortal coil. Regardless, Dumbledore can't let people kill off DE's.

As a bonus plot point, if their soul isn't wiped clean of its bonds upon reincarnation, you may have a baby that's born with a connection to the dark lord- an unstable one, given the lack of the tattoo to stabilize it, but it could bring about some really interesting character development and philosophy. Regulus would be a good soul to use- he died before Harry was born, and his penance would likely be shorter given his actions, so it could potentially be a child only a little bit younger than Harry- but still 'marked' by voldemort.

Wait, so would Harry be Regulus's reincarnation? Instead of Harry being a Horcrux, the combination of Tom's AK and Lily Potter's blood protection "stabilises" the connection Regulus!Harry and LV have into something resembling the canon link instead of the Dark Mark connection?

'Cause I'd read that fic.

 

[nuclear death frog]

Goes totally against the whole idea of Phoenixes being good and pure and so on. What a dick.

This is actually quasi-fanon, as far as I can tell. The only things Dumbledore says about phoenixes are that "they can carry immensely heavy loads". "their tears have healing powers", "and they make very faithful pets". Ollivander in the wandlore notes says that phoenixes are "detached from the world" or something to that effect. Phoenix song might be pure and all that, for whatever you think that means; at the least, it seems to inspire courage in Harry and fear in Voldemort at varying times.

 

[bissek]

After the first war, Remus Lupin is still barely employable in the magical world due to the enduring blood purist prejudice against werewolves. While working in the muggle world, he ends up seeing a few rather silly films and reading an interview with the director of the same. There he finds a new purpose in life. The last Marauder shall use humor destroy the Dark Lord once and for all. He will twist his memory into a figure of such absurdity that nobody will be able to take him and his cause seriously again. Remus Lupin shall be the Mel Brooks of the magical world.

And yes, Mel Brooks has said that doing this to Hitler is his calling in life, which how he came up with The Producers and the Hitler Rap.

 

[Shirotsume]

Goes totally against the whole idea of Phoenixes being good and pure and so on. What a dick.

This is actually quasi-fanon, as far as I can tell. The only things Dumbledore says about phoenixes are that "they can carry immensely heavy loads". "their tears have healing powers", "and they make very faithful pets". Ollivander in the wandlore notes says that phoenixes are "detached from the world" or something to that effect. Phoenix song might be pure and all that, for whatever you think that means; at the least, it seems to inspire courage in Harry and fear in Voldemort at varying times.

Now I wanna see some oneshot of some random joe shmoe who randomly hears phoenix song, is adversely effected, and has an existential breakdown. Have the person end up being Mungo Bonham or Regulus or something.

 

[iiradned]

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[Prince Charon]

An idea that's occasionally passed through my head:

A few Slytherins wake one morning to find that a lot of other Slytherins are quite dead. The ones who aren't panicking too much go to find Professor Snape, only to discover that he's dead, too. Eventually, they find an adult who isn't dead, and they give the alarm, gather everyone to make a head-count of the survivors (and see how many are dead in the other houses), and call the aurors (this is rather beyond what the Headmaster can cover up, if you seriously think he'd try, and Umbridge would be one of the dead, if this is late enough).

Various aurors or perhaps members of the Magical Law Enforcement Patrol go to inform the families of the deceased, only to find that a lot of them are likewise dead, and in the same way.

Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man. How many, by a teleporting House Elf?

 

[chronodekar]

An idea that's occasionally passed through my head:

A few Slytherins wake one morning to find that a lot of other Slytherins are quite dead. The ones who aren't panicking too much go to find Professor Snape, only to discover that he's dead, too. Eventually, they find an adult who isn't dead, and they give the alarm, gather everyone to make a head-count of the survivors (and see how many are dead in the other houses), and call the aurors (this is rather beyond what the Headmaster can cover up, if you seriously think he'd try, and Umbridge would be one of the dead, if this is late enough).

Various aurors or perhaps members of the Magical Law Enforcement Patrol go to inform the families of the deceased, only to find that a lot of them are likewise dead, and in the same way.

Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man. How many, by a teleporting House Elf?

Fascinating premise. Are we to make some gruesome back-story for the house-elf? Or is the murderer someone else?

-chronodekar

 

[Shirotsume]

Honestly, we just need to take canon, spice it up with some very harsh realities of fanon that nobody ever thinks about (House elves need to be bound to use magic/live), and we have our answer.

We have Dobby, a very mistreated house elf, who is nevertheless very powerful. Already eccentric, it is said that being freed causes mental instability in house elves- perhaps even the loss of their magic. And Dobby has good reason to be bitter.

Dobby is at Hogwarts during Umbridge's reign. His health is declining, his magic failing from the gaping void in his soul from the lack of a family. He sees the way to wind blows, the inquisitorial squad.. he sees that his bad old masters are up to things again.

Not only will the great Harry Potter be harmed, but some of the things said about his friends... Such things should never be allowed to be done to the great Harry Potter's Hermy and Wheezy.

But nothing could be done- nobody would listen to a lowly house elf. And it's not like he could do anything- his magic would begin hemorrhaging from him. If he moved against a wizard, he would have at most minutes to live.

But Dobby was dying anyway... What could be done in minutes?







I'm imagining the story starting off with the fear, the mourning of the day after a midnight slaughter of wizards... and slowly, the murderer's notes and research are found. The nation's mourning of fallen brothers and sisters is replaced with disbelief- rage- as they find a lone house elf, trying desperately to do what he could for their sons and daughter's lives against a threat that was never even mentioned in all the haste and hurry to slander those who sought to bring it to the public's attention. Not because he had to, but because it was the right thing to do. A lone house elf, wanting nothing more than to make his place in the world- desperately learning to read, to write, to try and be something before his life was snuffed out for desiring a better life than being beaten and mistreated. A house elf who never wanted any other being to feel the same crushing hopelessness, to need to cower against unjust authority.

A house elf who had reams and reams of irrefutable documentation on families, of meticulously labeled and researched atrocities, of agonized debate for or against the life of each and every single murdered soul- and more besides, of those who Dobby couldn't justify their death, but would nevertheless be 'invited' to spend the rest of their lives as guests of Azkaban.

There is no better information network than the one who cleans up after your misdeeds, after all.

 

[Prince Charon]

Pretty much what Shirotsume said, only I would not have been able to articulate it nearly that well.

EDIT: I admit, though, the original version of the idea didn't focus on Dobby, but on Daphne and a few other surviving Slytherins.

 

[Prince Charon]

Superhero AU Idea: A loophole in the statute of Secrecy allows the use of magic in front of muggles, so long as you don't show off your wand, and can plausibly convince them that it's not magic. You might claim to be an alien, psychic, mutant, Atlantean (or other Lost Worlder), mad scientist, experimental subject, or even a stage magician using cheap tricks to imitate magic, as long as you appear to be doing something other than actual magic, and make no reference to magical society.

This loophole fell into widespread use during the Grindlewald War, by which point Obliviating all possible witnesses was simply impractical (perhaps Memory Charms are less effective, or harder to cast properly, in this AU, or perhaps there were other reasons). Inspiration was taken from the comic-books and newspaper strips of the day, and various wizards and witches (usually muggleborns and half-bloods) took up various masks and silly costumes, and fought dark wizards and the occasional muggle criminal. Some even kept the habit up, after the war, though that sort of went out of fashion in the late 1940s to early '50s, then came back in and kind of never left (at least in Britain and North America), in the late '60s and early '70s, when Voldemort and certain imitators across the Pond began making a mess of things.

Generally, the 'supers', both heroes and many villains by now, make use of potions, disguised magic items, and the occasional bit of wandless magic, and have quite a wide range of excuses, actually reducing the burden on the Obliviators and the Muggle-Worthy Excuse Committee.

Was thinking James and Lily might have been among these superheroes, much to Harry's surprise (he inherits their tools and possibly secret headquarters in whichever year seems appropriate, if the writer can either make it non-cliché, or use the clichés in a funny rather than tired way), but he could also start it up himself, perhaps partly or totally by accident, or get involved with Hermione's superheroing in some way.

Thoughts?

BTW, is the forum laggy for anyone else?

 

[Shirotsume]

I'm too dead tired to give this idea the fleshing out it needs, but long story short is that Harry shows up at King's Cross and Dumbledore is both there and intrigued... and then increasingly excited.

Dumbledore's been trapped in a time loop until the world could be saved from Voldemort for decades- so close but so far to saying sorry to Arianna so many times, only to have it snatched away, with just this last life being the first time he'd found the Gaunt Ring. He's realizing, as he talks to Harry, that while Dumbledore failed, he failed just little enough for Harry to finish the job- and free Dumbledore.

It would explain quite a lot about his actions, wouldn't it? How many things he ignores, how many things he doesn't care about, how often he's so damn sure something is for the greater good... I mean, it's not like he can just say 'stfu you hoes, I've timetraveled this shit and a couple of students are just gonna have to turned to stone. Suck it the fuck up, you get exams off. Fifty points to gryffindor because fuck you. Let the feast begin!'




EDIT: Semi-relatedly, aparently there's a fantheory going around the Dumbledore is actually a time-traveling Ron Weasely.
http://the-toast.net/2014/01/02/let-the-man-speak/

Wut.

 

[chronodekar]

I'm too dead tired to give this idea the fleshing out it needs, but long story short is that Harry shows up at King's Cross and Dumbledore is both there and intrigued... and then increasingly excited.

Dumbledore's been trapped in a time loop until the world could be saved from Voldemort for decades- so close but so far to saying sorry to Arianna so many times, only to have it snatched away, with just this last life being the first time he'd found the Gaunt Ring. He's realizing, as he talks to Harry, that while Dumbledore failed, he failed just little enough for Harry to finish the job- and free Dumbledore.

It would explain quite a lot about his actions, wouldn't it? How many things he ignores, how many things he doesn't care about, how often he's so damn sure something is for the greater good... I mean, it's not like he can just say 'stfu you hoes, I've timetraveled this shit and a couple of students are just gonna have to turned to stone. Suck it the fuck up, you get exams off. Fifty points to gryffindor because fuck you. Let the feast begin!'




EDIT: Semi-relatedly, aparently there's a fantheory going around the Dumbledore is actually a time-traveling Ron Weasely.
http://the-toast.net/2014/01/02/let-the-man-speak/

Wut.

I like the idea, but am a bit confused about what time periods Dumbledore is travelling around in. As for him being Ron .. not interested.

-chronodekar

 

[Shirotsume]

I would guess the the time period would be either A: Right after voldemort is defeated in '81 or B: sometime right before first year.

The time period would end whenever it was clear Voldemort had won- so killing Harry, achieving world domination, killing Dumbledore, whatever.

 

[seitora]

That Ron is Dumbledore theory is a pretty old one, but it's still delicious in how people can link things together and come up with things an author never even intended.

 

[zerohour]

Yep.
I wouldn't believe that Ron was Dumbledore, simply because he's too lazy.  He studiously avoids doing anything resembling work, and has a tendency to quit when things get tough.  That's not the type of person I could see having major positions in the givernment and international community.
Also, there's the issue of Aberforth and Arianna... unless Ginny and one of his brothers went back in time too...  Couldn't be George, since he would probably have found a way to save Fred.  Don't see Bill ditching his smoking hot wife, so that leaves Charlie or Percy.

 

[seitora]

The person came out with the theory post Book 5 so there wasn't stuff from Book 6 or 7 to contradict it yet

 

[Shirotsume]

Aberforth being Percy would at least explain the animosity- HE didn't get to be Albus!

 

[bissek]

New idea: Thanks to the Death Eater wars, Hogwarts (And Dumbledore) get a reputation outside of Britain for creating terrorists.

 

[nuclear death frog]

An idea I had a while back: what would happen if the years Chamber and Prisoner took place in were swapped? It doesn't sound like much but I think it could easily be very different.

 

[chronodekar]

An idea I had a while back: what would happen if the years Chamber and Prisoner took place in were swapped? It doesn't sound like much but I think it could easily be very different.

That's .. hmm ... I don't really know what to say. In a sense, at the end of both books, the status quo get reset - almost. The difference is that after Prisoner, Harry knows he has a God father who he can ask for help/assistance. But did that really help or do anything with book4? (The Goblet?)

What change do you have in mind, NDF ? :huh:

-chronodekar