Harry Potter HP and the Gates Oblivion

mandalorianjedi

The Original M2J
#1
Now I know I brought up this idea a year ago, (found here) but I never really did anything with it. It got mixed readtions, but with the little bit I have, I think that I- or someone else- could make this work.

Anyway, I originally posted this in my Archive Rejects, Chapter 38 and I am still undecided on whether or not to continue with this.

Now, this is set sometime during HBP, but most definitely before Harry and Ginny got together. I left it open ended so I could chose what to include/not include in the story later.

Also, taking a page out of JBern's works, I wrote this from the 2nd person perspective like he did in both "Bungle in the Jungle" and "Turn Me Loose". In hindsight, it's a great writing concept for an epic length fic, but may or may not fit well with the small little bit I have here.

And another thing, at this point even I do not know how or why Harry is in Tamriel, just the fact that he's there, so some ideas to that end would be most welcome.

Now, on with the beginning of the story...

Let me know if this idea is Good, Bad or Ugly!

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You awoke in a cell.

The last thing you remember was sitting in your common room, joking with your best friend, all the while eyeing his sister discreetly. Your other best friend kept giving you knowing glances, but you chose to ignore those for your own greater good. The last thing you need is for people to meddle in your life more than they already do.

Which brings you back to the present.

You are in a cell.

You shake your head to clear out the cobwebs, but you seem to have developed a splitting head ache. You take what little comfort you can in the fact that the source of you pain is NOT your scar and that despite not wearing what you wore to bed the previous evening, you still have your wand.

Going through the necessary movements, and a quick whisper of ôAlohamora...ö and the manacles on your wrists pop right off. Luckily for you, they donÆt make much noise when they hit the floor.

Unfortunately, you seemed to have attracted the attention of someone over in the next cell across the hall.

ôWhatÆs this...? An Imperial in the Imperial Prison?ö said a white haired æmanÆ with pointy ears and purplish, grey skin, with menacing red eyes. ôI guess they donÆt play favorites, huh?ö

He looked all too smug saying this, considering his own predicament.

ôYour own kinsman think youÆre a human piece of trash...ö Your hand tightens around your wand. He reminds you so much of your nemesis that you almost curse him on instinct. However, it is because that A: You have no ideas where the guards are and how theyÆd react to you attacking the prisoner across the hall and B: YouÆre not entirely sure what your fellow prisoner is, that stay your hand and donÆt make a move to curse him into next week.

And your least favorite professor says you are incapable of thinking things through, always looking before you leap and all that. You know, the ætypical GryffindorÆ. However, even if he was the slightest bit accurate before, and you hope he wasnÆt, the death of your godfather several months ago definitely made you learn caution.

ôHow sad...ö the æmanÆ said in a faux tone of sorrow. However, it didnÆt last long as your fellow prisonerÆs face contorted in a vicious sneer. ôI bet the guards are going to give you special treatment before the end.ö

ôThe end?ö you ask in confusion, youÆre still disoriented so your not exactly running on all four cylinders.

He give you a hearty chuckle, ôThatÆs right, you see, youÆre going to die in here, Imperial! YouÆre going to die!ö

You start to argue with him, however he cuts you off with an explanation of his taunts.

ôImperial criminal scum like you give the Empire a bad name, you see. YouÆre an embarrassment,ö his sinister smirk threatens to break his face in half, as does the reductor curse youÆd like to throw at him at any minute. ôBest if you just... Disappeared...ö

Still, you canÆt help but think over what he is saying, though when he came to that last part you wryly think, æWhat else is new...?Æ Though only the Dursleys ever thought of you as an embarrassment, it seemed as if nearly everyone else in your life would wish you to disappear until needed- packed away in your own little glass case labeled ôOpen in Case of Voldemortö.

There are still too many questions unanswered.

How did you get into this cell? Why does that... Man... keep calling you æImperialÆ? And what in the hell is he anyway? The third question is the only one you remotely have an answer for. Given the pointy ears, youÆd say he is some sort of elf. Though you grew up on the legends of elves, predominantly those in TolkienÆs novel ôThe Hobbitö, the Keebler commercials, and last, but not least, SantaÆs little helpers, you canÆt help but think that they are far from what youÆd ever imagine that they looked like, your encounters with Dobby and Winky emphasize your point.

Then again, with the exception of the Tolkien Elves, the others were kind hearted and full of joy. Not but three seconds with this one and you hate him on a level equaling that of Draco Malfoy and Dudley Dursley all wrapped up in one neat little package. The only true differences between them and the creature before you is the fact that his uncombed hair lacks the greased up do of Malfoy and heÆs about a good hundred pounds lighter than your cousin.

YouÆre brought out of your thoughts by the approach of several figures, each hurriedly moving and talking in hushed tones.

The æelfÆsÆ eyes widen, ôHey! You hear that! The guards are coming... For you!ö

With that he let out a sinister laugh before retreating to the back of his own cell.

ôBaurus, lock that door behind us,ö you hear someone order. A woman from what you can tell.

You can hear bits and pieces of conversation, but nothing definitive. While they are approaching you tuck your wand into the waist band of your trousers.

ôYou donÆt know that sire, the messenger only said that they were attacked,ö the woman tried to assure a white haired man in majestic purple robes wearing the most beautiful amulet you had ever seen.

Suddenly, a dark skinned man in heavy looking armor is standing in front of your cell, his eyes widened as he saw you. The two of you lock eyes, but your mind is still focusing on the conversation between the woman and the old man.

ôNo... TheyÆre dead... I know it...ö

ôMy job, right now, is to get you to safety,ö she assured him. She stopped when she saw you standing in the cell door way. ôWhatÆs this prisoner doing there in there, this cell is supposed to be off limits!ö

ôA-A mix up with that watch... I...ö He answered hesitantly.

ôNever mind... Gate that gate opened,ö she ordered. ôStand back prisoner, we wonÆt hesitate to kill you if you get in our way.ö

ôYou prisoner, stand aside, over by the window, stay out of the way and you wonÆt get hurt!ö The guard ordered. Not seeing any reason to not comply, you walk over to the nearby window. However, the hole in the wall can barely be classified as such considering how small and high up it is.

The Guard then opened the door and walked into your cell. ôStay put, Prisoner...ö

ôLetÆs go,ö said the woman. ôWeÆre not out of this yet...ö

She then began to study one of the walls of your cell intently. Meanwhile, the old man has caught your eye.

ôYou...ö he says to you.

You canÆt help but gulp.

You have no idea who he is, but he has obviously seen you before. Considering the fact that they are protecting him and you are their prisoner, it is logical for you to assume heÆs the one whoÆs keeping you in this cell.

ôIÆve seen you... Let me see your face...ö

Despite his kindly conversational tone, you canÆt help but be intimidated by the old man in front of you. As he nears you, you try your hardest not to make any sudden movements, as you have little doubt the guards would make good on their promises of your early demise should you even blink wrong.

ôYou... You are the one from my dreams...ö he said, lost in thought, ôThen the stars... Were right and this is the day...Gods give me strength!ö

Idly, you wonder if the man is somehow part centaur as, other than Professor Sinistra, youÆve never really heard of anyone else talking about stars in casual conversation before. Well, you COULD count Trelawny, but that old bat couldnÆt predict her own suicide if she had the dagger pointed at her own chest.

ôUm... Sir, whatÆs going on?ö you ask hesitantly, not really expecting anything other than a beating in return.

ôAssassins attacked my sons, and I am next,ö he tells you. ôMy Blades are leading me out of the city along a secret escape route. It is by chance that the entrance to that escape route, runs through your cell.ö

That explains why theyÆre in your cell, now all you have to do is figure out who ætheyÆ are and why YOU are in your cell.

ôSo... Who are you?ö you ask. Not exactly respectful, but at least he doesnÆt seem the least bit offended. ôAnd why am I here?ö

He quirks an eyebrow at you. ôTo answer your first question, I am your emperor, Uriel Septim. It is by the Gods that I serve Tamriel as her ruler and you are a citizen of Tamriel and you shall serve her in your own way. As for your second inquiry, perhaps the Gods have placed you here so that we might meet. As for what you have done, THAT is not what you shall be remembered for.ö

ôWhat am I going to do?ö you ask. He smiled kindly at you, as if he knows something you donÆt. He probablly does and as much as youÆd like to curse him, he is the only thing keeping the guards from demonstrating whether or not the swords at their waists are real or for show.

ôYou will find your own path, but take care, for there will be blood and death before the end,ö Uriel tells you wisely. You still donÆt understand, and from the look of the guards expressions, they donÆt either.

ThatÆs something at least.

The Emperor, however, smiles benevolently as if nothing was wrong. You canÆt help but wonder if Dumbledore gets that same expression on his face whenever you leave his office with more questions than answers. Which you are loathe to admit is far, far too often.

ôPlease, sire... We must keep moving,ö the woman urges as she presses down on a brick, opening up the alcove in your cell. She then turned to æBaurusÆ and the other guard. ôWe better not close this, thereÆs no way to open it from the other side.ö

ôStay back... IÆm watching you...ö threatened the unnamed guard as he shoots you a pointed look before following after Emperor Uriel and the female guard captain.

The third guard merely smirks at you. ôLooks like this is your lucky day.ö

He too disappears down the tunnel, you canÆt help but wonder if that is your okay to leave the cell. Deciding youÆd rather go on some foolÆs errand with the Emperor than sit and rot in a cell, you quickly follow after them. Especially if there are assassins about. TheyÆre bound to come this way eventually.

As you finally catch up to them, they are heading down some stairs- the woman leading, followed by the dark skinned guard that threatened you, the Emperor, and, finally, the one called Baurus.

Seeing as there is no other option, you follow them into the next chamber. Of course, as soon as you step into the room, there is an ambush. There are shouts as the three guards meet their foes and the Emperor draws an intricate looking short sword and takes a defensive stance. You draw your wand and take aim at one of the attackers when a scream distracts you.

ôCaptain Renault...ö whispered the Emperor. You get a sickening feeling in your stomach. ItÆs only confirmed when the guards come back and are short one of their number.

ôWeÆve driven off the assassins, Emperor,ö said the friendly guard. ôIt seems as if they were waiting for us...ö

ôAnd Captain Renault?ö asked the Emperor, though you are pretty sure he already knew the answer.

ôDead, sir,ö he answered mournfully.

You grip your wand tightly.

Everything begins to hit you at once. Business has just picked up as you fully realize that your most likely not on Earth anymore, let alone Scotland. The only consolation you take from this is the fact that Voldemort doesnÆt seem to have anything to do with this and he isnÆt here to torture you further. On the downside, it seems as if youÆve left everyone youÆve ever cared for to take care of that mess themselves.

Of course, Voldemort was an impending doom on the entire Wizarding World, that may or may not attack at any moment. You currently have assassins out for your blood in the here and now. Once this chaos is taken care of and you somehow get rid of the assassins after you- or rather the Emperor your helping escort, then you can get back home to your own problems.

Namely, how to approach that girl youÆve fancied for the last few weeks despite her having a boyfriend and six older brothers, and a Dark Lord that has tried and failed to kill you since you were just barely over a year old.

You know, typical teenage hero stuff.

At least your scar doesnÆt prickle with that annoying constant throbbing of the Dark LordÆs presence. Apparently, the link doesnÆt extend to interdimensional travel.

You follow the Emperor and his two remaining guards as they make their way to the next door. You force yourself to ignore the dead men in the red robes and the armored corpse of the rather pretty guard captain. The first guard unlocks the door and steps through. Just as the Emperor exits, the other guard turns to you.

ôThis is the end of the line for you,ö said the guard sternly.

You get ready for a fight. You had hoped to help the Emperor escape so that he could help you get home, but it looked as if that wasnÆt going to happen.

Oh well, if you were going to die in a strange place on a strange world, youÆd die fighting.

ôYouÆll have to find your own way out of here,ö he said and just as you go to draw your wand and curse the man with all youÆve got, he turns away from you instead of drawing a weapon. He too steps through the door, but closes it behind him. The telltale clicking says that he locked the door behind him.

You grab the handle and confirm this.

Nothing a little magic canÆt fix.

However, your musing and incantation for the Unlocking Charm are both cut off when there is a cracking noise behind and to the right of you. The stone wall seems ready to collapse and there is something behind it forcing it to do so.

You fire off the first spell in your mind.

ôReducto!ö

The wall explodes and you hear a high pitched dying shriek of an animal. However, another creature seems to be jumping through the hole in the wall youÆve made.

This time your kinder to it.

ôStupefy!ö

The creature, which you find is the largest rat youÆve ever seen, is instantly knocked unconsious. Peering into the hole it came from you see an large cavern. You whistle in appreciation. The guards obviously didnÆt want you following them, so you wonÆt. Because now you donÆt have to.

Hopefully, even without the EmperorÆs help, youÆll still be able to get home.

But first...

You go back to the bodies behind you for anything useful. It seems disgraceful and it sickens you to your stomach, but you need their stuff a lot more than they do. Overcoming a small bout of nausea you begin to search, ignoring the various wounds on each body and the distinct smell of blood.

You find a few bottles of various liquids, but they mean nothing to you. For all you know, they could be poison of some sort. No, best to leave those behind.

In the end you have a torch from one of the assassins and Captain RenaultÆs short sword and katana.

Going into the cavern, you search once more for anything useful. You donÆt find much, a shield, a bow, some arrows, a few gems, a dozen lock picks and a couple pieces of gold. You use the small coin purse you got off of one of the dead bodies in the previous room to store the gems and coins. They donÆt look like any coin youÆve even seen, Wizard or Muggle, but figured they might be helpful as currency anyway.

After the twins picked you up in the Ford Angelina before your second year, you had them teach you how to pick a lock. Ron thought you were barmy and Hermione looked at you with disdain and disapproval. At least you know how to use the lock picks in the event you find yourself without your wand. ItÆs probablly one of the few moments of your life where it was probablly a good thing you hadnÆt listened to your friends. So you pocket the lock picks as well, knowing that in this day and age- or at least in this world- theyÆd come in handy.

You put on an ill-fitting piece of leather armor. ItÆs uncomfortable and it smells, after all someone had died in it, but itÆs better than no protection at all. You also take off those uncomfortable prison sandals and replace them with uncomfortable leather boots. The boots, no matter how uncomfortable, or smelly, will last a lot longer than those flimsy sandals and you have no idea how long youÆre going to be in this æTamrielÆ.

Last, but not least, you encounter another corpse. This one is humanoid at least, but itsÆ species is unrecognizable to you. It sort of looks like a Goblin, but it has bluish-green/grey skin. ItÆs also much thinner than the bankers and investors youÆve met at the local wizarding bank, Gringotts.

However, theyÆre still just as ugly.

On itÆs body is a rather crude looking club, some gold coins, another lock pick and a key. You pocket the key, the lock pick and the coins and leave behind the club. Not only do you not have much room to carry such items, but you are painfully unaccustomed to using melee weapons in general. You only keep the swords because of your brief familiarization with them when fighting that basilisk off of your current crush a little less than four years prior.

ThereÆs also the fact that RenaultÆs intricate katana could probablly fetch a pretty penny.

Guilt starts to eat away at you, but you force it down. SheÆs dead and youÆre going to need money to survive in this strange world. You sigh wishing for simpler times.

Not far from the æGoblinÆ corpse is another door. You use the newly acquired key to get through it and re-pocket it. Who knew, perhaps you might need it again. You were pretty sure you wouldnÆt, but your inner-Moody kept insisting on keeping it for the time being.

Continuing on into the cavern, you encounter a few more rats, each were easily dealt with and an inferi, which wouldnÆt go down with a simple Stunning Curse. A muttered ôIncendioö followed by ôDepulsoö was enough to bring it down.

Moving further into the cavern, you encounter another of those Goblin-like creatures. The only difference between this one and the last is the fact that this one is quite alive. Fortunately, itÆs back is to you. Taking careful aim with your wand, you send a high powered stunning curse at him. Not only is he knocked unconsious, but he slammed into a nearby cavern wall. Your pretty sure that if heÆs not dead already, he will be if you just leave him there. However, you canÆt risk waking him or alerting others to your presence as that would most certain spell certain doom for you.
 

Delcera

Well-Known Member
#2
Interesting. Very interesting.

It certainly looks like you've done your homework, at least-- I can't tell you how many times I've seen Valen's intro speech for the various races messed up.

I'm curious, though-- is this basically going to be Harry in Oblivion, or is there going to be a blending of Tamriel and Britain?

Personally, I would find it very interesting if Harry fell asleep in Tamriel and woke up in Britain and vice-versa: the thought of him trying to make radical gear-shifts like that strikes me as both amusing and highly intriguing.

I hope you continue this, M2J!
 

mandalorianjedi

The Original M2J
#3
Delcera said:
Interesting. Very interesting.

It certainly looks like you've done your homework, at least-- I can't tell you how many times I've seen Valen's intro speech for the various races messed up.

I'm curious, though-- is this basically going to be Harry in Oblivion, or is there going to be a blending of Tamriel and Britain?

Personally, I would find it very interesting if Harry fell asleep in Tamriel and woke up in Britain and vice-versa: the thought of him trying to make radical gear-shifts like that strikes me as both amusing and highly intriguing.

I hope you continue this, M2J!
I figured that even if none of the other dialogue was an exact match for the game, the beginning, Valen's speech especially, had to be. I was actually playing the game when I wrote that part and kept replaying that particular segment over and over to get it right.

As far as I had planned, which is admittedly not much, it was going to start out as just Harry in Tamriel as the player character from ES4: Oblivion.

Basically, Harry just woke up in a prision in the heart of Cyrodil. Details can be fine tuned later as, since Harry doesn't know how or why yet, the reader (since this is 2nd person) doesn't need to know right this second.

I had actually imagined a few HP Characters making a jump later, in an effort to find Harry and bring him back to their own world. Of course Harry wouldn't be able to go right away as by the time they get to him he is so ingrained into Cyrodil and the ongoing struggle between the Blades and the Mythic Dawn that his own nobility and sense of guty would not allow him to leave until Mehrunes Dagon had been dealt with.

When I initially thought of this, I hadn't considered the switching between two worlds thing and I'm not sure I could get it to work without a copy of HBP readily available.
 

Robo Jesus

Well-Known Member
#4
Dear god no, do not fuck with HP or TES canon by trying to 'switch' the worlds. Delcera, read up on the link posted in the first post before stating anymore shit like that. If you can't find it, here it is again.

Harry and/or company might be able to get in or out of Tamriel while Nirn is unprotected due to the wards (Dragon Fires, etc.) protecting their world being down, but once those wards go back up, Harry will never be able to get back in or out of Nirn. So there is not going to be anybody searching for Harry in another world due to #1) the fact that there will be an impossibly small time window for them to get in or out, and #2) the fact that with Harry being missing, their first assumption isn't going to be "Harry went to another world", but rather "Harry was kidnapped and then killed, and that's why nothing comes up with all the spells we've been trying to use to find him."

So no, there is no way in fucking hell that Dumbledore, Hermoine, Ron, or even fucking Santa is going to assume Harry is in another dimension/universe, and they would not have enough time to figure out how to travel between dimensions/universes even if they did assume that (and it is not a logical assumption to make, even for HP wizards).



Mandalorianjedi, you kept this simple which was appreciated, and worked quite well, but beyond throwing Harry into this world, not much has deviated yet to make this a unique story (rather than just a carbon copy of TES IV game events). Do you have any longer term plans for how things are going to play out and change due to the character of Harry Potter being there, or did you just put out the 'beginning' chapter to get a feel and reactions from your readers? As it is, you haven't broken either HP or TES canon (yet, and we'll tell you if you do), but it almost feels like you're afraid to take the story into a new direction due to our reactions from the last thread (which was just us trying to figure out how HP and TES canon would interact with each other, and then us bitching at people who were violating the rules of both series canon due to their ignorance of the subjects involved).
 

mandalorianjedi

The Original M2J
#5
Robo Jesus said:
Dear god no, do not fuck with HP or TES canon by trying to 'switch' the worlds. Delcera, read up on the link posted in the first post before stating anymore shit like that. If you can't find it, here it is again.

Harry and/or company might be able to get in or out of Tamriel while Nirn is unprotected due to the wards (Dragon Fires, etc.) protecting their world being down, but once those wards go back up, Harry will never be able to get back in or out of Nirn. So there is not going to be anybody searching for Harry in another world due to #1) the fact that there will be an impossibly small time window for them to get in or out, and #2) the fact that with Harry being missing, their first assumption isn't going to be "Harry went to another world", but rather "Harry was kidnapped and then killed, and that's why nothing comes up with all the spells we've been trying to use to find him."

So no, there is no way in fucking hell that Dumbledore, Hermoine, Ron, or even fucking Santa is going to assume Harry is in another dimension/universe, and they would not have enough time to figure out how to travel between dimensions/universes even if they did assume that (and it is not a logical assumption to make, even for HP wizards).



Mandalorianjedi, you kept this simple which was appreciated, and worked quite well, but beyond throwing Harry into this world, not much has deviated yet to make this a unique story (rather than just a carbon copy of TES IV game events). Do you have any longer term plans for how things are going to play out and change due to the character of Harry Potter being there, or did you just put out the 'beginning' chapter to get a feel and reactions from your readers? As it is, you haven't broken either HP or TES canon (yet, and we'll tell you if you do), but it almost feels like you're afraid to take the story into a new direction due to our reactions from the last thread (which was just us trying to figure out how HP and TES canon would interact with each other, and then us bitching at people who were violating the rules of both series canon due to their ignorance of the subjects involved).
I'm sure I could figure out someway to get Harry back (should he want to go back) to England without breaking "the rules" of interdimensional travel between worlds according to Elder Scrolls canon.

If Harry was to turn up missing in the middle of the night, I can imagine that Dumbledore would launch a huge investigation as to why. I'd imagine he'd investigate how Harry was taken out fo the castle and then have Snape investigate whether it was the work of Voldemort or not.

It's still the beginning of the story, so there wasn't really much to change just yet of either story. I want to go longer, to be honest, but as you guessed this little bit was posted to get a feel for the type of reactions the story could receive.

Like I said, I really think this could work as an epic length story.

Now, does anyone have ideas on how Harry got to Cyrodil in the first place?
 

Delcera

Well-Known Member
#6
I'm tempted to say a botched Daedric summoning ritual (something akin to Peryite and his followers), but that leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as does the cliched 'unknown side effect of a random curse' plot device.
 

mandalorianjedi

The Original M2J
#7
Delcera said:
I'm tempted to say a botched Daedric summoning ritual (something akin to Peryite and his followers), but that leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as does the cliched 'unknown side effect of a random curse' plot device.
The first wouldn't explain why he ended up in a cell in the Imperial prison rather than some random tomb or fort ruin.

The second wouldn't fit with his last memories, as the night before he was in the common room hanging out with Ron and Hermione while decretely ogling Ginny.
 

Delcera

Well-Known Member
#8
mandalorianjedi said:
Delcera said:
I'm tempted to say a botched Daedric summoning ritual (something akin to Peryite and his followers), but that leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as does the cliched 'unknown side effect of a random curse' plot device.
The first wouldn't explain why he ended up in a cell in the Imperial prison rather than some random tomb or fort ruin.

The second wouldn't fit with his last memories, as the night before he was in the common room hanging out with Ron and Hermione while decretely ogling Ginny.
And that is exactly why I'm not happy with either theory.
 

nick012000

Well-Known Member
#9
I'll point out that if Harry finds the portal to the Shivering Isles, he may well find Luna, Bellatrix, and/or Voldemort there. Luna would probably be in Mania somewhere; Voldemort and Bellatrix would almost certainly be in Dementia. Even if they aren't, as the new Sheogorath, he'd almost certainly be capable of travelling back to Earth, with an army of Golden Saints, Dark Seducers, and madmen at his back.

I'll also point out that the portal to the Shivering Isles remained fully intact, even after the Oblivion Gate crisis was dealt with. Given that it doesn't seem to function in the same fashion as the other ones (no portal stone, for instance), that may well indicate that it might be possible to build permanent gates during the Oblivion Gate crisis, at the expense of only opening one.
 
#10
Sheogorath's gate was different from the ones constructed by Mehrunes Dagon. Dagon was trying to set up a stable portal so the he and his armies could start an invasion so he could destroy Tamriel.

The gate to the Shivering Isles, on the other hand, were an invintation into Sheogorath's realm and wasn't meant to be a permanent thing.
 

shout27

Well-Known Member
#11
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
 

Delcera

Well-Known Member
#12
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
 

shout27

Well-Known Member
#13
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
Harry failed his Will Save, they didn't fail theirs.
 

Delcera

Well-Known Member
#14
shout27 said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
Harry failed his Will Save, they didn't fail theirs.
...

nice comeback, but now I'm curious how Harry has a lower Willpower than two people who are... you know... insane.
 

randombugger

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#15
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
Harry failed his Will Save, they didn't fail theirs.
...

nice comeback, but now I'm curious how Harry has a lower Willpower than two people who are... you know... insane.
Having a soul fragment in your skull. Placed there with a ritual that requires an act of murder.
 

SotF

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#16
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
Harry failed his Will Save, they didn't fail theirs.
...

nice comeback, but now I'm curious how Harry has a lower Willpower than two people who are... you know... insane.
It's Harry, canon Harry has a spine and willpower only slightly greater than Shinji Ikari...
 

Delcera

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#17
SotF said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
Harry failed his Will Save, they didn't fail theirs.
...

nice comeback, but now I'm curious how Harry has a lower Willpower than two people who are... you know... insane.
It's Harry, canon Harry has a spine and willpower only slightly greater than Shinji Ikari...
Canon Harry also has enough willpower to throw off the Imperious-- you know, the one that's basically mind control?

...

I swear, it's like Harry's Willpower stat fluctuates throughout the series-- increasing whenever the plot demands it, and bottoming out whenever convenient...
 

SotF

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#18
Delcera said:
SotF said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
Delcera said:
shout27 said:
The answer to your question is simple, politics is the reason why he woke up in the dungeon.

To be more precise, some two-bit hack from the Arcane University was attempting to summon a creature of vile magic (Voldemort) from another dimension, he screwed up and got a person touched by vile magic (Harry) instead. He then proceeded to bribe the city guard to take Harry away as a thief, and got himself killed when he proceeded to accidentally travel to the realm of a 'Great Old One.' The End.
So why'd he get Harry instead of Alice or Frank Longbottom? After all, they were tortured into insanity-- if that doesn't count as 'touched by vile magic,' what does?
Harry failed his Will Save, they didn't fail theirs.
...

nice comeback, but now I'm curious how Harry has a lower Willpower than two people who are... you know... insane.
It's Harry, canon Harry has a spine and willpower only slightly greater than Shinji Ikari...
Canon Harry also has enough willpower to throw off the Imperious-- you know, the one that's basically mind control?

...

I swear, it's like Harry's Willpower stat fluctuates throughout the series-- increasing whenever the plot demands it, and bottoming out whenever convenient...
Essentially a will bonus against charm effects...
 

Hawk

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#19
It's even simpler. Voldemort sensed the summoning spell and pulled a Xanatos Gambit.

He redirected the spell to Harry. He knows no one is casting a beneficial spell at him.

If Harry dies then Voldemort wins. If it is some other negative effect it is still on Harry. If Harry is kept alive in another dimension then Voldemort has a Horcrux that no one can reach and he is immortal. He also has deflected a spell meant for him. If Harry is hurt/crippled/tortured/killed, well Voldemort regrets that it isn't him that gets to do it, but sacrifices must be made for the greater evil.

All results are good for Voldemort.
 

Robo Jesus

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#20
You know, it could just be the case of his last memories being the last thing Harry clearly remembers, and something else happened inbetween that point and the time he came too in the prison cell. Such as accidentally falling through the Veil which led directly into the voids of Oblivion, and accidentally being pulled to and fro in the currents of the void due to Dagon fucking around with shit as Dagon is setting up events for the wards to be permanently breached. Right before the Emperor is killed, Dagon is testing out things, and the wards get weakened just enough so that Harry falls through them and lands in an "off limits/restricted" area in the Imperial City, and then gets hauled off while unconscious by the Guards to the prison for "breaking and entering" restricted Imperial property.

It's weak though, I admit, but it does kinda work, and it doesn't require any silly bullshit on the HP side of things as some of these other posts do.
 

Scico-Jin

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#21
Having the Veil, which I am assuming your are meaning the one that KILLED Sirius. Instead, sends Harry to a realm filled with creatures, that would not think a second thought about maiming/eviscerating him. Then some how Harry slips through another dimensional portal, that was created due to a Demon god fucking around with the world next door. Harry upon arriving, out of nowhere, in some assholes place of residence. Is thrown into the nearest available cell, all the while our protagonist has been blissfully unconscious.

Unless some powerful beings are scheming behind the scenes, I don't see this working at all.
 

Robo Jesus

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#22
Scico-Jin said:
Having the Veil, which I am assuming your are meaning the one that KILLED Sirius.? Instead, sends Harry to a realm filled with creatures, that would not think a second thought about maiming/eviscerating him.? Then some how Harry slips through another dimensional portal, that was created due to a Demon god fucking around with the world next door.? Harry upon arriving, out of nowhere, in some assholes place of residence.? Is thrown into the nearest available cell, all the while our protagonist has been blissfully unconscious.

Unless some powerful beings are scheming behind the scenes, I don't see this working at all.
Uhm, reread what I posted, as you obviously need to.

I'll give an abbreviated version since you need it. Imagine you're in a spaceship, and you make a FTL jump, and there is a 50/50 chance of you jumping into orbit or crashing directly into the planet. What you're describing would be Harry hitting one of the Daedric Planes. What I was describing was the equivilant of Harry ending up in metaphysical 'orbit' of Nirn as a whole, and then when Dagon starts fucking with things, falling through a dimensional tear/hole directly into the Imperial City while still unconscious. The difference may seem slight at first glance in the original post, but that's only due to you not reading things right.:p
 

Bunga

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#24
Taking another look at TES mythology and especially their genesis mythos, I am struck by a few weird thoughts. Assuming that Earth and our universe lies outside of Mundus, Harry is in a very unique position.

After all, the only previous entity to enter Mudus from outside is Padomay/Sithis.

Even assuming that Sithis is an entirely different class of being to a human, which is a fairly reasonable assumption to make imo, there is still a lot of reasons to suspect that Harry might not be bound my the laws the mortal inhabitants of Nirn are bound by.

His magic for example does not originate from Magnus or the Aetherius. He is neither descended from the Ehlnofey nor were his ancestors created by Lorkhan or any of the other Aedra. His sense of time was not created by Akatosh, and is most likely different from the time which exists on Nirn (for example, I doubt dilation effects exist there in the same sense as here). He does not (presumably) have Arkay's Blessing, and could therefore have his soul trapped in a non-Black soul gem.

Technically, Harry is in fact a Deadra. Both in meaning and effect, as it means "not our ancestor" and in effect, as he originates outside of Mundus and has powers not affiliated with it. It wouldn't surprise me if the local rules governing existance and being on Nirn treat him as a Deadra Lord in many ways.
 

shout27

Well-Known Member
#25
Bunga said:
Taking another look at TES mythology and especially their genesis mythos, I am struck by a few weird thoughts. Assuming that Earth and our universe lies outside of Mundus, Harry is in a very unique position.

After all, the only previous entity to enter Mudus from outside is Padomay/Sithis.

Even assuming that Sithis is an entirely different class of being to a human, which is a fairly reasonable assumption to make imo, there is still a lot of reasons to suspect that Harry might not be bound my the laws the mortal inhabitants of Nirn are bound by.

His magic for example does not originate from Magnus or the Aetherius. He is neither descended from the Ehlnofey nor were his ancestors created by Lorkhan or any of the other Aedra. His sense of time was not created by Akatosh, and is most likely different from the time which exists on Nirn (for example, I doubt dilation effects exist there in the same sense as here). He does not (presumably) have Arkay's Blessing, and could therefore have his soul trapped in a non-Black soul gem.

Technically, Harry is in fact a Deadra. Both in meaning and effect, as it means "not our ancestor" and in effect, as he originates outside of Mundus and has powers not affiliated with it. It wouldn't surprise me if the local rules governing existance and being on Nirn treat him as a Deadra Lord in many ways.
This sounds interesting, tell me more. . .
 
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