Dude, the way Zangetsu described the process that he used to walk on air was a big clue. Shinigami don't gather spirit particles from their surroundings; they emit them from their own souls. While both Shinigami and Quincy both use platforms of spirit particles to walk on air, the method that Zangetsu used to generate that platform is clearly Quincy in origin. And the sword shape isn't all that surprising, since it's shaped like the blades White used in his hollow form, and the high-level Quincy we've seen were all using swords of their own.
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Actually that's effectively how shinigami do it. Keep in mind, Ichigo did the same thing when largely using Rukia's powers, and keep in mind Ichigo's actual quincy powers were sealed. There's no arguing that point, so that's actually how shinigami have to be able to do it.
Also that thing is shaped nothing like those blades white was using. Seriously it's just a giant butcher knife. And it further has no relation at all to the quincy swords at all. That's literally a nothing point.
Also that thing is shaped nothing like those blades white was using. Seriously it's just a giant butcher knife. And it further has no relation at all to the quincy swords at all. That's literally a nothing point.
No, that was Zangetsu in the same conversation telling Ichigo that he'd done it before. I had a look and Rukia doesn't mention it.
Shinigami (and Arrancar) walk on the air the same way as the Quincy i.e. gathering the surrounding reishi like NGD said. When traveling to HM, Urahara told the group to make a road out of the reishi ("spirits") that fill the Garganta. And it probably requires the active usage of reiatsu given Unohana and Ichigo's discussion where she talks about his reiatsu being sluggish or something, resulting in his crappy road.
The difference between the Quincy and the Shinigami here is that it's only a very small part of the Shinigami's skillset whilst gathering reishi makes up the core of their abilities (hence why Ishida can make the flying platform and Fakebach(?) could do it inside Seireitei). That's how I understood the whole thing.
Shinigami (and Arrancar) walk on the air the same way as the Quincy i.e. gathering the surrounding reishi like NGD said. When traveling to HM, Urahara told the group to make a road out of the reishi ("spirits") that fill the Garganta. And it probably requires the active usage of reiatsu given Unohana and Ichigo's discussion where she talks about his reiatsu being sluggish or something, resulting in his crappy road.
The difference between the Quincy and the Shinigami here is that it's only a very small part of the Shinigami's skillset whilst gathering reishi makes up the core of their abilities (hence why Ishida can make the flying platform and Fakebach(?) could do it inside Seireitei). That's how I understood the whole thing.
Dude, consider who Urahara was telling to do so. One Quincy, one Quincy/Hollow/Shinigami/human hybrid, and a human/Hollow hybrid. None of them were pure Shinigami. Simply put, he was telling them how they should do it, not how he would. Also, take a closer look at the Ichigo/Unohana scene. She thinks that he's using his own reishi to do it, and when she makes the path, she uses her own power to do so, instead of gathering the power around her.
Dude, look at White's arms, during his fight with Misaki and Isshin. If you can't see the resemblance, you're blind.
Dude, look at White's arms, during his fight with Misaki and Isshin. If you can't see the resemblance, you're blind.
I did, you apparently didn't though if you think they look the same. There's no resemblance there at all. In fact, the only one of Ichigo's swords it bares a passing resemblance to is his FullBring variant bankai. Ichigo's original Shikai is a perfect butcher knife, no spiked juts on it, nice sheen on the blade part. Simple and elegant as can be White's arms are pure black, got those little spikey bits on the front end, a somewhat weird tip with a bit cut out of it, and doesn't even really have the width the shikai does.
Notably I just ran through the entire sequence again, this is the only clear view we're given of the full arms at any point, baring little snippets of edges of it, like when one was cut off (Spikes were still there for example) and some views of the edge/tip, which only compound the case further.
Like I said, it more resembles the fullbring bankai than anything else. And even that's fleeting, since the spiked juts are technically on the wrong side/end of the blade and it's a bit thicker, but it's certainly close enough to bare a passing resemblance at least. The shikai though? You'd have to be reaching pretty massively to say they look anything alike. At all.
Notably I just ran through the entire sequence again, this is the only clear view we're given of the full arms at any point, baring little snippets of edges of it, like when one was cut off (Spikes were still there for example) and some views of the edge/tip, which only compound the case further.
Like I said, it more resembles the fullbring bankai than anything else. And even that's fleeting, since the spiked juts are technically on the wrong side/end of the blade and it's a bit thicker, but it's certainly close enough to bare a passing resemblance at least. The shikai though? You'd have to be reaching pretty massively to say they look anything alike. At all.
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I did, you apparently didn't though if you think they look the same. There's no resemblance there at all. In fact, the only one of Ichigo's swords it bares a passing resemblance to is his FullBring variant bankai. Ichigo's original Shikai is a perfect butcher knife, no spiked juts on it, nice sheen on the blade part. Simple and elegant as can be White's arms are pure black, got those little spikey bits on the front end, a somewhat weird tip with a bit cut out of it, and doesn't even really have the width the shikai does.
Notably I just ran through the entire sequence again, this is the only clear view we're given of the full arms at any point, baring little snippets of edges of it, like when one was cut off (Spikes were still there for example) and some views of the edge/tip, which only compound the case further.
Like I said, it more resembles the fullbring bankai than anything else. And even that's fleeting, since the spiked juts are technically on the wrong side/end of the blade and it's a bit thicker, but it's certainly close enough to bare a passing resemblance at least. The shikai though? You'd have to be reaching pretty massively to say they look anything alike. At all.
Notably I just ran through the entire sequence again, this is the only clear view we're given of the full arms at any point, baring little snippets of edges of it, like when one was cut off (Spikes were still there for example) and some views of the edge/tip, which only compound the case further.
Like I said, it more resembles the fullbring bankai than anything else. And even that's fleeting, since the spiked juts are technically on the wrong side/end of the blade and it's a bit thicker, but it's certainly close enough to bare a passing resemblance at least. The shikai though? You'd have to be reaching pretty massively to say they look anything alike. At all.
No, they're black, it shows as much through the other snippets of it we see through the rest of the fight. Keep in mind this is repeatedly noted as a black hollow like it's an unusual thing or something. It's not mind, but they want to make it out to be.
Throw in the lack of the white sheen on the blade edge, the forward spikes, the lack of a similar amount of width, and the weird cut out bit on the tip of the sword and this thing's arms, quite simply, look nothing like Ichigo's original shikai. Seriously it couldn't be more cut and dry like that. The Full Bring Bankai, sure there are actual repeated similarities to be had there including the fact that it's black and got spikey bits, that you could make an actual case for.
The original shikai though is of a far simpler and elegant design these arms don't replicate at all. That you immediately had to erase the most notable features of those arms to begin to make a case should already tell you something, particularly since even then you don't have a leg to stand on.
Throw in the lack of the white sheen on the blade edge, the forward spikes, the lack of a similar amount of width, and the weird cut out bit on the tip of the sword and this thing's arms, quite simply, look nothing like Ichigo's original shikai. Seriously it couldn't be more cut and dry like that. The Full Bring Bankai, sure there are actual repeated similarities to be had there including the fact that it's black and got spikey bits, that you could make an actual case for.
The original shikai though is of a far simpler and elegant design these arms don't replicate at all. That you immediately had to erase the most notable features of those arms to begin to make a case should already tell you something, particularly since even then you don't have a leg to stand on.
Except, you know, it's not. You've clearly been reaching for this comparison the entire time, that you have to ignore virtually everything about the sword to have an argument at all should tell you how dissimilar the two are. Your only remaining comparison now boils down to 'they sword of have a similar curved sword sort of structure'.
Which forces you to ignore color, width, structural factors like the back being edged, a portion of the tip being cut off, and the spikes to begin to have any sort of case at all, and even then it's still off. Four of those have to do directly with shape, which is the last comparison you're clinging to here, seriously dude.
I just listed five clear cut and immediately noticeable features of the blades against the comparison, and you've got one factor I just directly proved is false, the shapes are not even close to the same. Dude, seriously, this is beyond reaching now.
Which forces you to ignore color, width, structural factors like the back being edged, a portion of the tip being cut off, and the spikes to begin to have any sort of case at all, and even then it's still off. Four of those have to do directly with shape, which is the last comparison you're clinging to here, seriously dude.
I just listed five clear cut and immediately noticeable features of the blades against the comparison, and you've got one factor I just directly proved is false, the shapes are not even close to the same. Dude, seriously, this is beyond reaching now.
You ignoring it is reaching! Width? Irrelevant, the shape is the same. Color? Irrelevant. Neither sword has any of the tip cut off; I have no clue what you're taking about there. The back being edged? Doesn't look like it in that picture. The spikes? It's just the bottom of Zangetsu, repeated.
Seriously, are you blind, stupid, or just trolling? Look at them! They're almost identical! They don't "sword[sic] of have a similar curved sword sort of structure", they have the exact same sort of curved sword structure, other than the repetition on the bottom with the spikes! Zangetsu has one, the hollow has two. That's the only difference.
Seriously, are you blind, stupid, or just trolling? Look at them! They're almost identical! They don't "sword[sic] of have a similar curved sword sort of structure", they have the exact same sort of curved sword structure, other than the repetition on the bottom with the spikes! Zangetsu has one, the hollow has two. That's the only difference.
Tip cut off:
Top panel obviously, you'll immediately note the back and the point don't meet up with a straight line. A bit of the tip's been sort of cut off, relatively speaking of course.
Back being edged:
You'll note despite getting as close to a full on view of the back as we're going to get, you don't seen a blunt end to it. You'll also note a back spike, though that may or may not be the joint factoring in, hard to tell. Yet another compounding difference either way though.
(Edit: Also to clarify, I say it doesn't have the blunt edge because while we can't see it on the back of the blade, we can see it below the spike in a part that clearly isn't his arm yet, meaning it doesn't have zangetsu's distinctive blunt back, there's more of an edge to it instead)
So we're right back to you having to pointedly ignore notable features of the sword to begin to build any sort of desperate case at all, and you still have nothing.
Seriously man, this is just sad at this point. Kyoraku's sword has more in common with this thing including your only clinging point 'it sort of has a curved sword structure' and as I stated before the Full Bring bankai actually can match some of these features point for point in a much more reasonable fashion. Not perfectly but enough to actually build a case for it. This isn't that hard.
When you are forced to point blank ignore more notable differences than you can create actual feasible similarities, of which you have none mind, or try to shoehorn one completely unnotable feature into one when you have nothing else to work with, which is what you are doing, you are reaching for a resemblance, plain and simple.
Top panel obviously, you'll immediately note the back and the point don't meet up with a straight line. A bit of the tip's been sort of cut off, relatively speaking of course.
Back being edged:
You'll note despite getting as close to a full on view of the back as we're going to get, you don't seen a blunt end to it. You'll also note a back spike, though that may or may not be the joint factoring in, hard to tell. Yet another compounding difference either way though.
(Edit: Also to clarify, I say it doesn't have the blunt edge because while we can't see it on the back of the blade, we can see it below the spike in a part that clearly isn't his arm yet, meaning it doesn't have zangetsu's distinctive blunt back, there's more of an edge to it instead)
So we're right back to you having to pointedly ignore notable features of the sword to begin to build any sort of desperate case at all, and you still have nothing.
Seriously man, this is just sad at this point. Kyoraku's sword has more in common with this thing including your only clinging point 'it sort of has a curved sword structure' and as I stated before the Full Bring bankai actually can match some of these features point for point in a much more reasonable fashion. Not perfectly but enough to actually build a case for it. This isn't that hard.
When you are forced to point blank ignore more notable differences than you can create actual feasible similarities, of which you have none mind, or try to shoehorn one completely unnotable feature into one when you have nothing else to work with, which is what you are doing, you are reaching for a resemblance, plain and simple.
STORYTIME, KIDS!
Moral of the story: One can run wild in imagination; just don't let them run wild with you.
Seduces Me
Ichigo: "Woman, what are you doing sneaking around in my bedroom in the middle of the night?"
Orihime: "EEEK! I-I-Ichigo! Y-You're awake!"
Ichigo: "And you're naked..."
Orihime: "I... I am?" [looks] "EEEK!"
Ichigo: "Only bad girls sneak around boy's rooms this time of the morning, and bad girls get punished! Prepare your body!"
Orihime: "...prepare my body?"
Ichigo: "Oh yeah... 'cause I got pimp bones all in my body, and they all say, 'Hit it like the fist of an a~~~ngry god!'"
Orihime: "B-but Ichigo.... i-it's my first time... so, um, could you please be, um... gentle?"
Ichigo: "...you're thinking weird things again, aren't you..."
Orihime: "...maybe?"
Ichigo: [sigh] "C'mon, we're going to be late for class..."
Ichigo: "Woman, what are you doing sneaking around in my bedroom in the middle of the night?"
Orihime: "EEEK! I-I-Ichigo! Y-You're awake!"
Ichigo: "And you're naked..."
Orihime: "I... I am?" [looks] "EEEK!"
Ichigo: "Only bad girls sneak around boy's rooms this time of the morning, and bad girls get punished! Prepare your body!"
Orihime: "...prepare my body?"
Ichigo: "Oh yeah... 'cause I got pimp bones all in my body, and they all say, 'Hit it like the fist of an a~~~ngry god!'"
Orihime: "B-but Ichigo.... i-it's my first time... so, um, could you please be, um... gentle?"
Ichigo: "...you're thinking weird things again, aren't you..."
Orihime: "...maybe?"
Ichigo: [sigh] "C'mon, we're going to be late for class..."
