Akamatsuverse [Love Hina]Miscellaneous ideas topic.
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From TokyoPop's volume 1 of Love Hina...
After volume 1, Haruka's age is always listed as "?". Further, Keitaro announces himself to be 19 on page 2. Keitaro, at some point in the manga (I thought it was in volume 4, but couldn't find it when I skimmed through it, so it might be somewhere else) responds to Kitsune's "big sister" comment by stating that they're only a few weeks apart (wether he said he was older or she was older, I can't remember).
From TokyoPop's volume 1 of Love Hina...
After volume 1, Haruka's age is always listed as "?". Further, Keitaro announces himself to be 19 on page 2. Keitaro, at some point in the manga (I thought it was in volume 4, but couldn't find it when I skimmed through it, so it might be somewhere else) responds to Kitsune's "big sister" comment by stating that they're only a few weeks apart (wether he said he was older or she was older, I can't remember).
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
It is even more unlikely in a Japanese male.
For the record, I'm almost 2 meters tall, and even I didn't have such a huge growth spurt in my 20's.
Of course, this is AKAMATSU. So I'll just pretend he didn't fuck up, even though he's up there in the top 10 of Authors Who Create Plotholes.
It is even more unlikely in a Japanese male.
For the record, I'm almost 2 meters tall, and even I didn't have such a huge growth spurt in my 20's.
Of course, this is AKAMATSU. So I'll just pretend he didn't fuck up, even though he's up there in the top 10 of Authors Who Create Plotholes.
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
Eh? I thought you said you were 6'10, GH. That's over two meters. Two meters is a shade under 6'7 by the official measurement; and is 6'8 by the colloquial, *incorrect* measurement.
More interesting is the "Top 10 Authors who Create Plotholes" comment. I'd like to know who the others are if you actually have a list, and don't mind sharing.
Eh? I thought you said you were 6'10, GH. That's over two meters. Two meters is a shade under 6'7 by the official measurement; and is 6'8 by the colloquial, *incorrect* measurement.
More interesting is the "Top 10 Authors who Create Plotholes" comment. I'd like to know who the others are if you actually have a list, and don't mind sharing.
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Huh... wait, just how much is an inch? I think I may have mixed my measures up.
Regarding my top 10... here it is, as far as plothole power goes:
1) Naoko Takeuchi (honestly, no manga is as plothole-riddled as Sailor Moon)
2) Masashi Kishimoto (duh)
3) Rumiko Takahashi (duh again)
4) Ken Akamatsu
5) Ogure Ito/Oh! Great (some of his manga other than Tenjou Tenge have large inconsistencies and plot holes)
6) Shiro Ono (OZN is the culprit here)
7) Tite Kubo (some stuff in Bleach is in danger of being plothole'd, but if he fixes the problem, I'll take him off)
8) Kei Kusunoki (Onikirimaru was irritating at times when it overlooked facts from earlier episodes)
9) Norihiro Yagi (Inconsistencies between the Claymores' ranks in the manga by the same name.)
10) Gosho Aoyama (namely because Detective Conan really stretches the limit of credibility. And I ain't talking about kiddified Conan.)
Huh... wait, just how much is an inch? I think I may have mixed my measures up.
Regarding my top 10... here it is, as far as plothole power goes:
1) Naoko Takeuchi (honestly, no manga is as plothole-riddled as Sailor Moon)
2) Masashi Kishimoto (duh)
3) Rumiko Takahashi (duh again)
4) Ken Akamatsu
5) Ogure Ito/Oh! Great (some of his manga other than Tenjou Tenge have large inconsistencies and plot holes)
6) Shiro Ono (OZN is the culprit here)
7) Tite Kubo (some stuff in Bleach is in danger of being plothole'd, but if he fixes the problem, I'll take him off)
8) Kei Kusunoki (Onikirimaru was irritating at times when it overlooked facts from earlier episodes)
9) Norihiro Yagi (Inconsistencies between the Claymores' ranks in the manga by the same name.)
10) Gosho Aoyama (namely because Detective Conan really stretches the limit of credibility. And I ain't talking about kiddified Conan.)
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The measurement I always think of is that:
1 meter is a bit longer than 1 yard
1 yard = 3 feet
1 foot = 12 inches
Works for estimation purposes.
Calculated exactly:
1 meter = 39.37 inches
2 meters = 78.74 inches = 6' 10.74"
Anyway... regarding the "younger" ages, at the start of the series, Naru has already graduated high school. 17 is a bit too young for her to have done that, I think.
I think GH is right on this one - plot hole in the manga.
I propose that we go by the ages as listed in the anime.
As for the timeline, yeah, I'm pretty sure the LH setting begins in 1998.
The measurement I always think of is that:
1 meter is a bit longer than 1 yard
1 yard = 3 feet
1 foot = 12 inches
Works for estimation purposes.
Calculated exactly:
1 meter = 39.37 inches
2 meters = 78.74 inches = 6' 10.74"
Anyway... regarding the "younger" ages, at the start of the series, Naru has already graduated high school. 17 is a bit too young for her to have done that, I think.
I think GH is right on this one - plot hole in the manga.
I propose that we go by the ages as listed in the anime.
As for the timeline, yeah, I'm pretty sure the LH setting begins in 1998.
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
To be specific, Japanese grade-level systems go like so:
1st through 6th: Lower (elementary) school. Mandatory attendance.
7th through 9th: Middle school. Mandatory attendance, but the better schools require one to apply and test for entry.
10th through 12th: High school. Attendance is not mandatory, but if you don't go to HS, your future is guaranteed to suck. Also, nearly all high schools require an entry exam.
It's theoretically possible for Naru to have graduated at 17, depending on her birthday. However, by the time the series starts, she's been in exam prep school for awhile - if she graduated at 17, she'd have certainly been 18 by the time the story begins.
Keitaro's age being 21 also meshes better. High school students take their first college entrance exams in the later part of their 12th grade year. Assuming he graduated at 18, and since he failed the entrance exams three times (once as a 12th grader, then a year of prep school, another failure, another year of prep school, third failure, third year of prep school - during the later parts of which the series begins), that points him at age 20 or 21.
Also, Keitaro is legal to drink at the Hinata-sou parties, which means he has to be at least 20, since that's the age of majority in Japan.
If Naru is 2 years younger than Keitaro, she can be no younger than 18, and is most likely 19.
edit: Whoops, you're right NDF. Screwed up the remainder. It is indeed 6' 6.74".
So, GH, at 201cm (~79.13 inches), you're 6 feet and 7.13 inches tall.
To be specific, Japanese grade-level systems go like so:
1st through 6th: Lower (elementary) school. Mandatory attendance.
7th through 9th: Middle school. Mandatory attendance, but the better schools require one to apply and test for entry.
10th through 12th: High school. Attendance is not mandatory, but if you don't go to HS, your future is guaranteed to suck. Also, nearly all high schools require an entry exam.
It's theoretically possible for Naru to have graduated at 17, depending on her birthday. However, by the time the series starts, she's been in exam prep school for awhile - if she graduated at 17, she'd have certainly been 18 by the time the story begins.
Keitaro's age being 21 also meshes better. High school students take their first college entrance exams in the later part of their 12th grade year. Assuming he graduated at 18, and since he failed the entrance exams three times (once as a 12th grader, then a year of prep school, another failure, another year of prep school, third failure, third year of prep school - during the later parts of which the series begins), that points him at age 20 or 21.
Also, Keitaro is legal to drink at the Hinata-sou parties, which means he has to be at least 20, since that's the age of majority in Japan.
If Naru is 2 years younger than Keitaro, she can be no younger than 18, and is most likely 19.
edit: Whoops, you're right NDF. Screwed up the remainder. It is indeed 6' 6.74".
So, GH, at 201cm (~79.13 inches), you're 6 feet and 7.13 inches tall.
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Hmmm... ok, that makes sense.
However, does one not start studing for the exams *before* leaving high school, in fact, as much as a year before. This has been shown to be the case in some anime series before, but I do not know how it is in real life. For example, Stomo Senkowa (sp?) from Birdy the Mighty, was in just such a scenario at the start of the series.
Also, I myself prefer the Anime to the Manga for Love Hina, and I'm all but certain he was 20 at series start, the others were close to manga ages, but I place them all at being perhaps a year older. This actually works well for most of the characters in the series I think, and the oldest (Haruka,Seta, and Tsuruko), not really being affected either way.
The above two paragraphs would also put into proper perspective when taken into account if graduating at 18 and failing college entrance 3 times would be 21, but sutract a 1 year overlap in high school, making it 20.
EDIT: What most annoyed me on the manga ages though was the insistance that Naru was the promised girl. Ok, I can see a 4 year old Keitaro (19-15 manga years) barely comprehending and even mentioning Tokyo to a playmate, barely. I'm less inclined to believe such a fixation on it, but that is beside the point. I am however, completely unwilling to believe a 2 year old Naru (17-15 manga years) to comprehend let alone understand it and promises. A 2 year old is not going to have the relationship development needed for such to occur.
Hmmm... ok, that makes sense.
However, does one not start studing for the exams *before* leaving high school, in fact, as much as a year before. This has been shown to be the case in some anime series before, but I do not know how it is in real life. For example, Stomo Senkowa (sp?) from Birdy the Mighty, was in just such a scenario at the start of the series.
Also, I myself prefer the Anime to the Manga for Love Hina, and I'm all but certain he was 20 at series start, the others were close to manga ages, but I place them all at being perhaps a year older. This actually works well for most of the characters in the series I think, and the oldest (Haruka,Seta, and Tsuruko), not really being affected either way.
The above two paragraphs would also put into proper perspective when taken into account if graduating at 18 and failing college entrance 3 times would be 21, but sutract a 1 year overlap in high school, making it 20.
EDIT: What most annoyed me on the manga ages though was the insistance that Naru was the promised girl. Ok, I can see a 4 year old Keitaro (19-15 manga years) barely comprehending and even mentioning Tokyo to a playmate, barely. I'm less inclined to believe such a fixation on it, but that is beside the point. I am however, completely unwilling to believe a 2 year old Naru (17-15 manga years) to comprehend let alone understand it and promises. A 2 year old is not going to have the relationship development needed for such to occur.
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
Random idea that hit me today while in a chat:
What if Keitaro was a Wu, and came to Hinatasou accompanied by his own Sanjiyan Hum Kara?
The Wu bit neatly explains the whole immortality deal (although it also makes it a little creepy - he essentially had his soul eaten by the Sanjiyan), and for added fun, the Sanjiyan can either be a perverted woman (cue Motoko shortcircuiting at the mere thought), or a very arrogant and very powerful man (think Benares as a Sanjiyan).
Thoughts?
One thing is for sure, though - even Motoko wouldn't be stupid enough to attack either a Sanjiyan or his/her Wu head on. There ARE horror stories about them, you know. And as instinctive as Motoko may be, I don't think she is suicidal.
Random idea that hit me today while in a chat:
What if Keitaro was a Wu, and came to Hinatasou accompanied by his own Sanjiyan Hum Kara?
The Wu bit neatly explains the whole immortality deal (although it also makes it a little creepy - he essentially had his soul eaten by the Sanjiyan), and for added fun, the Sanjiyan can either be a perverted woman (cue Motoko shortcircuiting at the mere thought), or a very arrogant and very powerful man (think Benares as a Sanjiyan).
Thoughts?
One thing is for sure, though - even Motoko wouldn't be stupid enough to attack either a Sanjiyan or his/her Wu head on. There ARE horror stories about them, you know. And as instinctive as Motoko may be, I don't think she is suicidal.
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I believe Akamatsu wanted to use Kei's trip to America to "grow" him manlier...
in this case make him taller, stronger, learn martial arts, change his look slightly
and in general become more attractive to the Hina girls
sure it's not conventional that a growth spurt would happen AFTER adolescence... but again.. FICTION!
Pirazy said:
I'm guessing it's because he realised he'd made Keitaro visibly shorter than Motoko, seems to be a big deal in japan with women being taller than men..
As for Naru and Mitsune, well, they say that girls mature faster than boys
As for Naru and Mitsune, well, they say that girls mature faster than boys
in this case make him taller, stronger, learn martial arts, change his look slightly
and in general become more attractive to the Hina girls
sure it's not conventional that a growth spurt would happen AFTER adolescence... but again.. FICTION!
Miscellaneous ideas topic.
I already took that into account, and it doesn't have any bearing on those calculations.
Here's the timeframe, in respect to Kei's age. The number on the left is the lower one from before he has his birthday that year, the one on the right is for after his birthday.
17-18 = Keitaro is a 12th-grader in high school. The college entrance exams come at the end of this year. He fails them.
18-19 = Kei's first year as a ronin. Since he failed his first exam, Keitaro enters college prep school to help him study for a retake. At the end of this year, he fails the test again.
19-20 = Kei's second ronin year. Again, he attends the college prep school. Again, he fails the entrance exam for Tokyo Daigakusei.
20-21 = Kei's third year as a ronin. He attends the college prep school. His parents are fed up with him and throw him out on his ass. Grandma Hina invites him to Hinata-sou, and the story begins. He would take the test for the fourth time at the end of this year.
So, as I said, Keitaro's no less than 20 at the start of the manga, and is most likely 21.
Thought of the possibility myself a year or three ago, but I lack a decent grounding in 3x3 Eyes to flesh it out.
Actually, I got my biggest growth spurts between ages 18 and 21, so it's far from impossible.
The look on my sister's face when she came home from college for summer after my senior year in high school, only to find that in less than 5 months, I had gone from being an inch shorter than her to being 6 inches taller... Priceless. :lol:
In fact, I'm still getting the occasional .5" to 1" growth spurt, and I'm 23.
I already took that into account, and it doesn't have any bearing on those calculations.
Here's the timeframe, in respect to Kei's age. The number on the left is the lower one from before he has his birthday that year, the one on the right is for after his birthday.
17-18 = Keitaro is a 12th-grader in high school. The college entrance exams come at the end of this year. He fails them.
18-19 = Kei's first year as a ronin. Since he failed his first exam, Keitaro enters college prep school to help him study for a retake. At the end of this year, he fails the test again.
19-20 = Kei's second ronin year. Again, he attends the college prep school. Again, he fails the entrance exam for Tokyo Daigakusei.
20-21 = Kei's third year as a ronin. He attends the college prep school. His parents are fed up with him and throw him out on his ass. Grandma Hina invites him to Hinata-sou, and the story begins. He would take the test for the fourth time at the end of this year.
So, as I said, Keitaro's no less than 20 at the start of the manga, and is most likely 21.
Thought of the possibility myself a year or three ago, but I lack a decent grounding in 3x3 Eyes to flesh it out.
Actually, I got my biggest growth spurts between ages 18 and 21, so it's far from impossible.
The look on my sister's face when she came home from college for summer after my senior year in high school, only to find that in less than 5 months, I had gone from being an inch shorter than her to being 6 inches taller... Priceless. :lol:
In fact, I'm still getting the occasional .5" to 1" growth spurt, and I'm 23.
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O.K, let's see...
February, 1997: Keitaro took his first exam and failed
March, 1997: Keitaro graduated from higschool.
February, 1998: His 2nd test, and failed again.
October, 1998: Keitaro arrives to Hinata.
February, 1999: Keitaro's 3rd test. He becomes a 3 year ronin.
March 21, 1999: Naru graduates from highschool. (Note that this date is stated in the manga)
At the begining of the manga, Keitaro was 19, and he turns 20 at some point on Volume 2.
Shinobu was 12, but she turns 13 in the first volume.
This is according to the scanlations and the Mexican edition of the manga. I don't Know if Tokiopop changed something for the U.S. edition.
O.K, let's see...
February, 1997: Keitaro took his first exam and failed
March, 1997: Keitaro graduated from higschool.
February, 1998: His 2nd test, and failed again.
October, 1998: Keitaro arrives to Hinata.
February, 1999: Keitaro's 3rd test. He becomes a 3 year ronin.
March 21, 1999: Naru graduates from highschool. (Note that this date is stated in the manga)
At the begining of the manga, Keitaro was 19, and he turns 20 at some point on Volume 2.
Shinobu was 12, but she turns 13 in the first volume.
This is according to the scanlations and the Mexican edition of the manga. I don't Know if Tokiopop changed something for the U.S. edition.