Marvel-verse

[Liam-don]

Kill Spidey? You do realize than killing Spiderman is the single greatest way to put yourself on the shitlist of every superhero team in the MarvelVerse? Worse than killing Cap even. Besides, I'm pretty sure Accel isn't nearly trigger happy as you believe, even without LO it's not like he killed every single person who ever pissed him. Why would he kill the friendly neighbourhood spiderman of all people is beyond me.

Also you're ignoring my main point. Characters in Marvel get their abilities and skillset dumbed down all the time, so it's not like doing it in your fic would be such a moajor problem.

 

[Aegis]

Kill Spidey? You do realize than killing Spiderman is the single greatest way to put yourself on the shitlist of every superhero team in the MarvelVerse? Worse than killing Cap even. Besides, I'm pretty sure Accel isn't nearly trigger happy as you believe, even without LO it's not like he killed every single person who ever pissed him. Why would he kill the friendly neighbourhood spiderman of all people is beyond me.

Also you're ignoring my main point. Characters in Marvel get their abilities and skillset dumbed down all the time, so it's not like doing it in your fic would be such a moajor problem.

He killed 10,000 girls who were powerless to stop him because it would up his level, he IS that trigger happy. I'm saying that if Spider man tried punching him he would cripple himself and if Accelerator became violent he would outright kill him. With LO around as his morality pet he managed to chill a bit and hell he even fed Index. As to why he would kill Spider-man, well Accel is mentally unstable, so saying the wrong thing at the wrong time is a good way to make him loose it. Apparently suggesting that LO or the Sisters really do hate him makes him go berserk

And yeah, powers do seem to fluctuate a lot based on the plot.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

Accelerator only killed the sisters because he wanted to get stronger, and grinding up kills was the fastest thing available to him. If you leave him alone, he leaves you alone. If you went of your way to piss him off ex. ruin his house, etc... then you put yourself on the fast track to death.

And Spidey would probably be one of the few street level heroes to escape from Accelerator. Spider-sense while not the godhax people try to claim it is, would at least let him escape. It works even when he's unconscious for God's sake. That's what lets him dodge hidden weapons and lets him use webs in the city so easily. He can't see if his webs will latch on a strong building, but his spider-sense instinctively guides them to safe spots.

And killing Spidey is a bad idea because as much as he's hated by the public, he's a very well known hero with influence.

Shit dude, LOKI, the Norse of God of Mischief and a huge big bad in the scale of Marvel owes Spidey a favor and so does Doom I believe. Killing Spider-man is a surefire way to call down Cosmics like Dr. Strange.

Of course, this is a hypothetical situation because you seem to want to go to the X-men.

 

[Aegis]

Accelerator only killed the sisters because he wanted to get stronger, and grinding up kills was the fastest thing available to him. If you leave him alone, he leaves you alone. If you went of your way to piss him off ex. ruin his house, etc... then you put yourself on the fast track to death.

And Spidey would probably be one of the few street level heroes to escape from Accelerator. Spider-sense while not the godhax people try to claim it is, would at least let him escape. It works even when he's unconscious for God's sake. That's what lets him dodge hidden weapons and lets him use webs in the city so easily. He can't see if his webs will latch on a strong building, but his spider-sense instinctively guides them to safe spots.

And killing Spidey is a bad idea because as much as he's hated by the public, he's a very well known hero with influence.

Shit dude, LOKI, the Norse of God of Mischief and a huge big bad in the scale of Marvel owes Spidey a favor and so does Doom I believe. Killing Spider-man is a surefire way to call down Cosmics like Dr. Strange.

Of course, this is a hypothetical situation because you seem to want to go to the X-men.

Basically yeah you are absolutely right and his spider sense is in fact what will allow him to escape something like Accel's imaginary vectors in a fight. And he does need to be fought and attacked first. Unfortunately he's subject to a lot of misunderstanding because if someone tries to punch him, hit him, touch him or accidentally attacks Accelerator that is immediately misinterpreted since his power can't do anything other than harm others. And we all know how well heroes take to the harming of "civvies" or of themselves. Accel harming someone will ALWAYS end badly, police will get involved, try to restrain, meet resistance and the moment anyone tries to shoot they are dead. And we KNOW someone's gonna do it, it's America, the land of hate the muties. The situation needs but a small spark to descend into mass destruction. And try to remember these aren't characters that are gonna be afraid because "X knows Y so we should run away". Touma will fight as long as it's 3 on one or less and as long as he has someone to protect and Accelerator will fight the moment he's attack regardless of choice.


And this hypothetical situation can only end in wtfery. Also didn't Strange get crippled or something? He's a bit nerfed atm if I heard right

 

[A Curious Stranger]

Even without the Eye of Agamotto, Strange is still a hell of a sorcerer, plus I'm sure Dr. Voodoo as he's called now, would listen to Strange if he asks for help since he will defer to the more experienced ex-Sorcerer Supreme.

 

[Aegis]

Even without the Eye of Agamotto, Strange is still a hell of a sorcerer, plus I'm sure Dr. Voodoo as he's called now, would listen to Strange if he asks for help since he will defer to the more experienced ex-Sorcerer Supreme.

Accel already nulls magic, he's grown too strong as an ESPER. His AIM field makes him a walking anti-magic field.

edit: But he might take interest in stopping Accel or outright killing him and the sisters thanks to crowley.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

...Okay, as much as I want to avoid this little pissing contest, I have to at least show you this.

<a href='http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t367940.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>This thread</a> shows the capabilities of Doctor Strange, which is in fact the version that you should be using if your fic still uses the X-Mansion because Doctor Strange only lost his status after the X-men moved to San Francisco.

I really, really doubt that Accelerator could handle magic of this magnitude.

 

[Aegis]

...Okay, as much as I want to avoid this little pissing contest, I have to at least show you this.

<a href='http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t367940.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>This thread</a> shows the capabilities of Doctor Strange, which is in fact the version that you should be using if your fic still uses the X-Mansion because Doctor Strange only lost his status after the X-men moved to San Francisco.

I really, really doubt that Accelerator could handle magic of this magnitude.

I'll be honest too, I have no idea what the fuck Strange can do. So I'll make an opinion after this. I doubt you're wrong though

Edit: Ok, what I CAN see is that he can avoid the situation of a fight with Accel entirely, I don't KNOW how straight up magic will work or just how much magic is needed to get through to Accel's own AIM field but I doubt that DR. S is lacking in amount.

The only person I can actually see beating him at his own game from the ToAru verse is Index(surprisingly enough) using Hell Fear as well as Spell Intercept. A magician's worst nightmares at zero the cost.(I only say this because I like to compare and contrast skills. I've no idea how his spellwork is managed though so I need more of a solid explanation

Huh also, he does some epic broken stuff (I assume it's broken?) and then he has a tough melee time with some dude. Power fluctuation seems weird


On another note I'd like to discuss the comment written down that Accelerator is the Power equivalent to god and according to this:

The nature that Accelerator`s power just happens to resemble is Osiris, the Egyptian god of the dead.

I looked it up and as it turns out Osiris IS present amongst the Egyptian gods in Marvel, it's something I would like to use and establish a relation with. Any thoughts?

 

[Reimu]

Eh, ADD Kyuubi Naruto, Accelerator is tough, but even he has limits compared to Doctor Strange. This is a guy that can fight off solar system/or on his not so good days planet destroying beings and his magic works differently than Index verse since he can uses incantations that summon other worldly being powers.

But why does there have to be a pissing contest in this fic? Just because Index verse isn't as strong as the top marvel doesn't mean they are worthless since there are whole bunch of x men that range in power, but are still useful as a team, so Touma and co. can be used storywise.

Punisher and Spider-man do just fine in their areas, and it's not like Touma or Accelerator has it in mind to tear down the mansion of X-men and go lol pwnz.

Gods vary in power in different stories. I remember a "god" being taken down by gunfire or a giant fist.

 

[Aegis]

Eh, ADD Kyuubi Naruto, Accelerator is tough, but even he has limits compared to Doctor Strange.á This is a guy that can fight off solar system/or on his not so good days planet destroying beings and his magic works differently than Index verse since heá can uses incantations that summon other worldly being powers.á

But why does there have to be a pissing contest in this fic?á Just because Index verse isn't as strong as the top marvel doesn't mean they are worthless since there are whole bunch of x men that range in power, but are still useful as a team, so Touma and co. can be used storywise.

Punisher and Spider-man do just fine in their areas, and it's not like Touma or Accelerator has it in mind to tear down the mansion of X-men and go lol pwnz.á

Gods vary in power in different stories.á I remember a "god" being taken down by gunfire or a giant fist.

Absolutely right Rei, the idea isn't to tear apart the Marvel-verse. And I've already said I have no idea on how specifically Dr.Strange uses his magic but since he seems to dance circles around the laws of physics I'm betting he has SOMETHING in there to cancel out Accel's powers. Since it's a crossover the way magic is used would mesh. It's been proven that every type of cultural magic works in a vastly different way. As shown by index using non-mana consuming magic, the fact that the Necronomicon is there, the fact that Aztec, Japanese, western and Eastern magic all use different aspects of religion, myth, etc to do their work. Hell even symbolism is a form of magic here.(Idk about how marvel does all it's magics). And also Dr. Strange having a Loli Apprentice is amusing to me in it's own way

Weaknesses
It has been said Strange's power is weaker against strictly science-based opponents, though this is illogical, as many times it has been stated magic is superior to science in the Marvel Universe.

Can anyone explain this to me so that it makes sense to me? I don't get how it works T__T This is so confusing *is reading up on the wikia so as to know wtf he'll be working with*

How can you be weak against something the marvel-verse itself designates you as strong against?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Strange himself explained it once, if memory serves. He's not so much weak against science based opponent, but against opponents that use a lot of machinery. Apparently, iron in Marvel retains his magic-disrupting properties (which is why Dr. Doom's armor is made of a non-iron alloy - otherwise it'd shut down his own magic. Granted, the original armor was iron, but it was retconned to alloy decades ago).

There are also some borderline cases like Amadeus Cho, who has some minor reality warping powers based on math and scientific calculation which seem to be able to bypass Strange's many defenses, but he's kinda like Sho Minamimoto - he uses numbers to cause shit to blow up. :snigger:

 

[Aegis]

Strange himself explained it once, if memory serves. He's not so much weak against science based opponent, but against opponents that use a lot of machinery. Apparently, iron in Marvel retains his magic-disrupting properties (which is why Dr. Doom's armor is made of a non-iron alloy - otherwise it'd shut down his own magic. Granted, the original armor was iron, but it was retconned to alloy decades ago).

There are also some borderline cases like Amadeus Cho, who has some minor reality warping powers based on math and scientific calculation which seem to be able to bypass Strange's many defenses, but he's kinda like Sho Minamimoto - he uses numbers to cause shit to blow up. :snigger:

Alright, so since there's Iron, which is able to fuck around with magic, I can imagine that this can also apply to the AIM field plan Crowley has? As in, it can be integrated into this whole thing without any contradiction, correct?

How would Index's Hell Fear affect him? Or hell, how would she affect the magic of anyone in marvel with it? Since it's not really an external so much as an internal contradiction attack.

 

[ttestagr]

Now that I think about it, there is one cosmically powered being (not actually cosmic himself though) who pretty much everybody seems to run into a few times.

Can they stop the Juggernaut?

 

[Estrecca]

Now that I think about it, there is one cosmically powered being (not actually cosmic himself though) who pretty much everybody seems to run into a few times.

Can they stop the Juggernaut?

Depends.

How much power is Cyttorak feeding Marko this week? The thing about the Juggernaut is that his power fluctuates a lot depending on how much the guy has managed to piss this time around his patron deity.

 

[Liam-don]

Currently, Juggs has been massively depowered after a run-in with the Uni-power. He honestly doesn't deserve his name right now.

 

[Maelgrim]

Is the idea of the Juggernaut actually staying at full power that abhorrent to marvel?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Is the idea of the Juggernaut actually staying at full power that abhorrent to marvel?

Yes, because if he did, they would have a hard time selling Rulk as being anything other than a shitstain on Cain's underwear.

Fucking Rulk.

 

[Maelgrim]

Couldn't Rulk just bullshit his way into absorbing the Juggernaut's powers too?

Actually speaking of Hulks and Juggernaut do you have any idea if the Juggernaut that Hulk thrashed when he was War was full powered or not? its been bugging me for a while and the Hulk's comic doesn't say anything on the issue.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Couldn't Rulk just bullshit his way into absorbing the Juggernaut's powers too?

Actually speaking of Hulks and Juggernaut do you have any idea if the Juggernaut that Hulk thrashed when he was War was full powered or not? its been bugging me for a while and the Hulk's comic doesn't say anything on the issue.

War Hulk was powered by Celestial technology (it's the source of all of Apocalypse's stuff), and Celestials are high enough up the totem pole that War Hulk stomping Jugs flat makes sense, regardless of whether he was full power or not.

Just saying...

 

[Maelgrim]

Thanks.

It wasn't the stomping that was the issue, just wondering about relative power levels between Hulk's various forms and Marko along with the kind of boost Apocalypse can give his pet projects.

Considering Nur's whole "survival of the fittest" creed I'm kind of surprised that he's not been sniffing around Skaar regarding filling his fathers old position.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Thanks.

It wasn't the stomping that was the issue, just wondering about relative power levels between Hulk's various forms and Marko along with the kind of boost Apocalypse can give his pet projects.

Considering Nur's whole "survival of the fittest" creed I'm kind of surprised that he's not been sniffing around Skaar regarding filling his fathers old position.

Give it time. Apocalypse's Horsemen positions are like a cheap hooker at a frat party - everyone gets a shot at them eventually. :snigger:

 

[Maelgrim]

this has given me the terrifying thought; what if that's where Hercules is?

Its stupid, makes very little sense (all marvels recent calling cards) but somehow it might work.

Actually I sort of hope that it is that, just to see the look on Ares face.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

Ares is dead bro.

 

[Maelgrim]

Marvel, enough regular people get resurrected after a few weeks of being dead, Ares is a God so chances are he'll be back.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Marvel, enough regular people get resurrected after a few weeks of being dead, Ares is a God so chances are he'll be back.

"Chances"? It's all but assured he'll be back. After all, Ares himself once lampshaded how Hades is basically a freaking revolving door...