Nanoha Time Loops

Shiakou

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trevelyan1983 said:
See, that manga scan epitomizes the differences between SM and MGLN.

SM: Where is Tuxedo Kamen?á Tell me right now, you big meanie!

MGLN:á Cartridge Load!á Full Power!á DIVI~NE BUSTE~R.
You're comparing a series which was made for <s>pre-teen</s> teenage girls to one which was made for thirty-year-old men.

Of course there are going to be differences in tone, athmosphere, and plot detail. And fanservice. <_<

I can understand if you guys can't take SM seriously due to the tone of the story, but please don't apply that mindset to the power levels. And before you start flaming another series, please keep in mind that most people don't take Nanoha seriously because of the lolis, the fanservice, the "everyone's a lesbian" vibe, the dissonance between the magical girl characters and the potentially dark plot, and its target audience. I mean that seriously; the vast majority of people I showed Nanoha to ultimately rejected it because it was too loli, too over-the-top, too dark, too boring, too many gay people, too much like Gundam, and so on and so forth.

Even among anime fans, Nanoha fans are ultimately a very vocal minority whereas Sailor Moon is recognizable even among non-fans.

So in conclusion: stick to Rule of Funny guys. Most people can take depreciative humor or jokes about a series they like, such as the multiple Abridge series. The same people will flip you the finger if the jokes start getting too harsh, the put-downs too nasty, and the non-canon presentation depicted as truth. Because it just isn't funny anymore.

P.S. I am a Nanoha fan. I just don't like to pretend that most people are as well or that Nanoha is the most powerful magical girl to have existed. (She's the Coolest magical girl to have existed, yes, not the most powerful.)

P.P.S. On that note, Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle has Sakura weilding dual pistols. I know dual pistols can never be as powerful as the Clow Cards. But damn, that is cool.
 

Hunter 1

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Nanya said:
SeiyaxUsagi said:
trevelyan1983 said:
See, that manga scan epitomizes the differences between SM and MGLN.

SM: Where is Tuxedo Kamen?á Tell me right now, you big meanie!

MGLN:á Cartridge Load!á Full Power!á DIVI~NE BUSTE~R.
To be fair at the timeline the scan takes place Usagi has only been a magical girl for a month or so. She just saw the guy she just started dating literally the day before get injured and kidnapped before her own eyes.

She matures a lot during the later arcs.
I can be fair about that.

I will.

And, when I was 14, I was a lot like that... So, I'll be fair, if I was a magical person at age 14 and the person I loved just got kidnapped, i would be like "Where is she?! Give her back!"

Nanoha's freakishly mature for her age at age 9...

"Why are you attacking..."

"Divine..."

"Me?"

"Buster." *Boom*

At least that's what she did to Vita... I mean, the first season lasted maybe a month at most?

I don't recall her screaming during fights (other than her attacks) after the 3rd episode at all.
FYI, Season 1 of Nanoha took place around June, and Season 2 took place in December of the same year (we have timestamps for this one).
 

marthf1

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Ah, TFF, no failing to make things serious & diving into psychoanalysis (well, I think there are hints of it). By the way, Sailor Moon is was supposed to be a parody of the genre & I think MLGN was the same, or a pseudo-subversion of it. That makes this debate pretty amusing to me. Though I suppose when people start doing comparisons, anything can happen.

With that out of the way, pics on that P.P.S., or at least a chapter number, please.
 

Ryuugi

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In 2004, the first season under the title Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (?ºÀ¿???«ÑÛÑÛѽÑÙñ?ñ?ñ¤, Mah¿¡ Sh¿¡jo Ririkaru Nanoha?) was produced by the Japanese animation studio Seven Arcs containing thirteen episodes which aired between October 1 and December 24.
Your a little off, Hunter. If my sources are accurate.
 

biigoh

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Ryuugi said:
In 2004, the first season under the title Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (?ºÀ¿???«ÑÛÑÛѽÑÙñ?ñ?ñ¤, Mah¿¡ Sh¿¡jo Ririkaru Nanoha?) was produced by the Japanese animation studio Seven Arcs containing thirteen episodes which aired between October 1 and December 24.
Your a little off, Hunter. If my sources are accurate.
That's the airing date.
 

trevelyan1983

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Shiakou said:
trevelyan1983 said:
See, that manga scan epitomizes the differences between SM and MGLN.

SM: Where is Tuxedo Kamen?á Tell me right now, you big meanie!

MGLN:á Cartridge Load!á Full Power!á DIVI~NE BUSTE~R.
You're comparing a series which was made for <s>pre-teen</s> teenage girls to one which was made for thirty-year-old men.

Of course there are going to be differences in tone, athmosphere, and plot detail. And fanservice. <_<
Wut?

Did I somehow fail to make clear that I was kidding? Or that I was poking fun at both, rather than comparing them in a serious analysis?
 

Hunter 1

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biigoh said:
Ryuugi said:
In 2004, the first season under the title Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (?ºÀ¿???«ÑÛÑÛѽÑÙñ?ñ?ñ¤, Mah¿¡ Sh¿¡jo Ririkaru Nanoha?) was produced by the Japanese animation studio Seven Arcs containing thirteen episodes which aired between October 1 and December 24.
Your a little off, Hunter. If my sources are accurate.
That's the airing date.
Yeah, in A's we get a on-screen timestamp of around Christmas for a couple episodes, and it was mentioned at the start of the season that it was about six months since Nanoha had last seen Fate, Yuuno, and the crew from the Artha (aka the events of the end of season one).
 

Shiakou

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trevelyan1983 said:
Shiakou said:
trevelyan1983 said:
See, that manga scan epitomizes the differences between SM and MGLN.

SM: Where is Tuxedo Kamen?á Tell me right now, you big meanie!

MGLN:á Cartridge Load!á Full Power!á DIVI~NE BUSTE~R.
You're comparing a series which was made for <s>pre-teen</s> teenage girls to one which was made for thirty-year-old men.

Of course there are going to be differences in tone, athmosphere, and plot detail. And fanservice. <_<
Wut?

Did I somehow fail to make clear that I was kidding? Or that I was poking fun at both, rather than comparing them in a serious analysis?
Yes.

Body language, tone, facial expression and all that other stuff which would have made it clear that you were kidding, doesn't exist in text. Barring explicit mention and things like smilies, there's very little to tell if you're serious or not.

It doesn't help that I've heard others say the same stuff seriously.
 
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marthf1 said:
Ah, TFF, no failing to make things serious & diving into psychoanalysis (well, I think there are hints of it). By the way, Sailor Moon is was supposed to be a parody of the genre & I think MLGN was the same, or a pseudo-subversion of it. That makes this debate pretty amusing to me. Though I suppose when people start doing comparisons, anything can happen.

With that out of the way, pics on that P.P.S., or at least a chapter number, please.
Why does everyone keep saying this yet offer no proof of the claim? Naoko has never once said that it was a parody of Mahou Shoujo. She just wanted to do a shoujo sentai team because she liked both genres. Sailor V which was much more light hearted manga may have been but not Sailor Moon.
 

marthf1

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Really? As you said, a people have mentioned it, but from the few times I have see it, this is the first time anyone has disagreed.... I think a person even referenced an interview. The way it was presented, uncontested, made me think it was correct, one way or another. But if it is wrong, oops? Any idea as to how it was perpetuated?


What I remember the gist being was she -supposedly- wanted to parody the genre but it ended up becoming the nigh definitive standard.
 
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marthf1 said:
Really? As you said, a? people have mentioned it, but from the few times I have see it, this is the first time anyone has disagreed.... I think a person even referenced an interview. The way it was presented, uncontested, made me think it was correct, one way or another. But if it is wrong, oops? Any idea as to how it was perpetuated?


What I remember the gist being was she -supposedly- wanted to parody the genre but it ended up becoming the nigh definitive standard.
I've read most of Naoko's interviews and never heard such a thing. She said she just decided to make Sailor V into part of a sentai team of girls. Cute Girls in Space was basically her plot.
 

bissek

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A Triangle Heart loop:

Kyoya Takamachi stood at the entrance to the car park. The gray haired man who was trying to kidnap Fiessa, his client and childhood friend, stood before him, Fiessa held in one arm and a small remote held in his other hand.

"You don't want to try anything, boy." The man said. "I have bombs planted all throughout the concert hall. You can't kill me fast enough to keep me from pressing the switch.

"You should be familiar with this kind of bomb." The man continued with a smirk. "It's the same kind I used to kill your father."

Kyoya glared at the man who just admitted responsibility for his father's death while protecting Fiessa's father years before. He readied himself to attempt the ultimate technique of the Mikami-ryu style, the only maneuver he knew capable of closing with his opponent and disarming him before he could set off the bombs.

But before he could start his desperate charge, a flash of pink light surged by him and smashed into the man's hand, destroying the remote. The kidnapper cried out in pain and instinctively grabbed his burned hand, allowing Fiessa to run away. Kyoya turned to look for the source of the pink light and saw something he didn't expect.

It was his little sister Nanoha, dressed in a strange white and blue gown and vest, holding a golden staff set with a red gemstone. Kyoya knew that Nanoha would be in the area - he had gotten her and the rest of the Midori-ya staff tickets for Fiessa's concert, after all - but what was she doing here instead of in the lines at the front of the building? Where had she gotten that outfit and staff? Why was she floating in midair with what looked like a pair of wings sprouting from her boots? And what was the ominous looking ball of pink light forming at the tip of the staff as she pointed it towards the reason she had grown up without ever meeting her father?

"DIVINE BUSTER!" Nanoha shouted. A wave of pink energy erupted from Nanoha's staff, smashing into her father's murderer. When the light cleared, all that was left of the man was a charred outline on the wall of the garage tunnel.

Nanoha floated to the ground and ran to her brother. "Nii-san!" She cried, "Are you alright?"

"I'm fine, Nanoha." Kyoya said, mentally resolving to get some answers as to how she had done all that later that evening.

Erisu, his childhood friend and professional colleague, looked at Kyoya. "Why do you insist on using swords and knives if your family style includes things like that?"
 

Prince Charon

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bissek said:
Erisu, his childhood friend and professional colleague, looked at Kyoya. "Why do you insist on using swords and knives if your family style includes things like that?"
:snigger: Nice.
 
It had taken several loops of pretending ignorence but this time he, Jail Scaglietti, would win! His meticulous planning had paid off and now he would have her and those bothersome TSA agents were in the wrong place.

"Victory", he thought with quiet glee as he stalked over to the terrified young girl and lifting her by the collar and her bunny rabbit by it's ears.

"Finally I win!" said Scaglietti as he draged Vivio's squirming form towards the door. Somehow after all the suffering, all the set backs and all the pain he'd won. Won!

"Please let me go" whimpered Vivio, she really hadn't expected this, "If you don't bad things will happen."

Her small voice amused Jail "I agree. Nothing can stop me now because this time, time it's self is on," his gloating was interupted by a sound from just below his left hand.

"Ka-Click"


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This ok for an entry?
 

dan27

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Madfish said:
It had taken several loops of pretending ignorence but this time he, Jail Scaglietti, would win! His meticulous planning had paid off and now he would have her and those bothersome TSA agents were in the wrong place.

"Victory", he thought with quiet glee as he stalked over to the terrified young girl and lifting her by the collar and her bunny rabbit by it's ears.

"Finally I win!" said Scaglietti as he draged Vivio's squirming form towards the door. Somehow after all the suffering, all the set backs and all the pain he'd won. Won!

"Please let me go" whimpered Vivio, she really hadn't expected this, "If you don't bad things will happen."

Her small voice amused Jail "I agree. Nothing can stop me now because this time, time it's self is on," his gloating was interupted by a sound from just below his left hand.

"Ka-Click"


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This ok for an entry?
Just add what the ka-click sound is from and the person who's device its from and its good to go.
 

bissek

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dan27 said:
Madfish said:
It had taken several loops of pretending ignorence but this time he, Jail Scaglietti, would win! His meticulous planning had paid off and now he would have her and those bothersome TSA agents were in the wrong place.

"Victory", he thought with quiet glee as he stalked over to the terrified young girl and lifting her by the collar and her bunny rabbit by it's ears.

"Finally I win!" said Scaglietti as he draged Vivio's squirming form towards the door. Somehow after all the suffering, all the set backs and all the pain he'd won. Won!

"Please let me go" whimpered Vivio, she really hadn't expected this, "If you don't bad things will happen."

Her small voice amused Jail "I agree. Nothing can stop me now because this time, time it's self is on," his gloating was interupted by a sound from just below his left hand.

"Ka-Click"


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This ok for an entry?
Just add what the ka-click sound is from and the person who's device its from and its good to go.
At a guess, the Ka-click is from a switchblade. Bun-bun's switchblade.
 
bissek said:
dan27 said:
Just add what the ka-click sound is from and? the person who's device its from and its good to go.
At a guess, the Ka-click is from a switchblade. Bun-bun's switchblade.
It is, though I guess early in the morning isn't the best time to try and be subtle : )
 

Nanya

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Because we need more Nanoha and Gold Digger loops...

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Nanoha sighed softly and looked around. "Another loop, another time waking up too late to avoid anything, huh?"

Fate nodded. "Now I know why Ichigo finds his loops so annoying. Never know when you're going to wake up."

"Yep..." Nanoha sighed as she looked at the Forwards as they walked through the halls and... "Well, this is interesting..."

Fate blinked and looked at who was following Erio. "...We have a fifth member, huh?"

"Yep. Never thought Britanny could be so short..." Nanoha shook her head. OH well, this could be interesting.

Meanwhile, behind Erio, Grave Digger twitched, wondering why she felt the need to hurt someone.
 

lcpoketoon

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Hmm had a idea for a really out there loop. Nanoha is replaced by Simon, Yunnao by Kamina and RisingHeart with Gurren Lagann. I think Fate-chan might find things very odd for that loop.
 

Jetflash

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lcpoketoon said:
Hmm had a idea for a really out there loop. Nanoha is replaced by Simon, Yunnao by Kamina and RisingHeart with Gurren Lagann. I think Fate-chan might find things very odd for that loop.
Shit. Now I have the image of ferret!Kamina shouting "BELIEVE IN THE ME THAT BELIEVES IN YOU!" stuck in my head.
 

zeebee1

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Boota is cool enough to be a ferret, though it would be a downgrade.
 
Jetflash said:
lcpoketoon said:
Hmm had a idea for a really out there loop. Nanoha is replaced by Simon, Yunnao by Kamina and RisingHeart with Gurren Lagann. I think Fate-chan might find things very odd for that loop.
Shit. Now I have the image of ferret!Kamina shouting "BELIEVE IN THE ME THAT BELIEVES IN YOU!" stuck in my head.
How about replacing Teana Lanster with Yoko Littner?
 
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