Naruto Naruto 701+ - Manga Discussion

whitewhiskey

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New Gaiden up...

...I say Himawari for next hokage...
 

DaJuggernaut

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I want to see this continue if only for Hiashi's reaction.

"So you're saying my granddaughter not only activated her Byakugan all on her own, but also managed to incapacitate her father by for an entire day with a single juuken strike? Is that what I'm hearing? "

"Yes Hiashi-sama."

"All according to keikakku."
 

MikeJPanda

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On Naruto's defense, it was a juuken strike to the balls, it traumatized Boruto and probably incapacitated Kurama out of sympathetic pain (really, just picturing an attack meant to liquify internal organs hitting me in the balls is enough to give me nightmares)
 

Hoki

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dmw4000 said:
I want to see this continue if only for Hiashi's reaction.

"So you're saying my granddaughter not only activated her Byakugan all on her own, but also managed to incapacitate her father by for an entire day with a single juuken strike? Is that what I'm hearing? "

"Yes Hiashi-sama."

"All according to keikakku."


Also, somebody needs to add an epilogue to the Keikaku story, showing Hiashi's despair at his keikaku seemingly not succeeding then finding out that Himawari one shotted Naruto.
 
Also remember Hima's Byakugan doesn't have the usual white-pupil effect when it's not active, so people can't guess she's a Hyuga.... the keikaku surpasses expectations!
 

goldenarms

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Hoki said:
dmw4000 said:
I want to see this continue if only for Hiashi's reaction.

"So you're saying my granddaughter not only activated her Byakugan all on her own, but also managed to incapacitate her father by for an entire day with a single juuken strike? Is that what I'm hearing? "

"Yes Hiashi-sama."

"All according to keikakku."


Also, somebody needs to add an epilogue to the Keikaku story, showing Hiashi's despair at his keikaku seemingly not succeeding then finding out that Himawari one shotted Naruto.
Or that was the true keikaku all along.
 

beorn91

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We know that Boruto can use juken without Byakugan, thus confirming that while helping, the dojutsu isn't necessary to use juken.
But this means that Boruto didn't inherite his mother's kekkei genkai in the same way that Naruto didn't inherit of the chakra chains.
Now, both are male aka inherited their father's Y chromosome, and both inherited their father's blond spiky hair and blue eyes. My theory is that Minato had anti-kekkei genkai genes on his Y chromosome!
 
Juken is a fighting style using Chakra to deal damage to internal organs.
It doesn't need Byakugan.
The Hakke-ryu Juken used by Hyuga specifically targets the chakra system, and, at its highest levels, the chakra points. For that, it DOES need the Byakugan. It's therefore much more effective.

Bolt probably uses a "base" Juken style that doesn't relies on injecting chakra in the opponent chakra system.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Even if you can't see chakra coils, shoving chakra into the opponent's body will probably always do some damage. It would just lack the accuracy of a Hyuuga practitioner.

@beorn: The chakra chains aren't kekkei genkai.
 
knight504 said:
Even if you can't see chakra coils, shoving chakra into the opponent's body will probably always do some damage. It would just lack the accuracy of a Hyuuga practitioner.
It's probably a matter of effectiveness, too.
An example, using arbitrary numbers:

A: To hurt somebody's muscle by blinding charging on it with chakra, one would need, say, 10 units of chakra, and it would result in 5 damages(hurt, but still works).

B: With the Byakugan a Hyuga can hit the chakra pathway of the muscle, using 5 units of chakra, resulting in 12 damages(hurt a lot, functionality compromised, possible long-lasting damages)

C: A Hyuga with a strong enough Byakugan can even hit the chakra point of the muscle, using 2 units of chakra for a variable amounts of damages: at very least the muscle stops working for a while with no long-lasting effect, but depending on the chakra point it might cause rupture of the hit organ-




Bolt is probably Case A, but having much more chakra than the average Genin he can still be very effective.
 

AJ_Katon

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knight504 said:
@beorn: The chakra chains aren't kekkei genkai.
Then how'd Karin use it? Random luck? Being an actual close relation to Kushina?
 
AJ_Katon said:
knight504 said:
@beorn: The chakra chains aren't kekkei genkai.
Then how'd Karin use it? Random luck? Being an actual close relation to Kushina?
the Chakra Chains are classified as "Hiden" which means "Family Secret"
I'm guessing her parents did teach her, or Oro found a scroll about them and taught them to Karin
 

AJ_Katon

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ankokudaishogun said:
AJ_Katon said:
knight504 said:
@beorn: The chakra chains aren't kekkei genkai.
Then how'd Karin use it? Random luck? Being an actual close relation to Kushina?
the Chakra Chains are classified as "Hiden" which means "Family Secret"
I'm guessing her parents did teach her, or Oro found a scroll about them and taught them to Karin
Oh so anyone can learn it but its kept with the Uzumaki. Got it.
 

Altered Nova

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They are technically Hiden jutsu, but I suspect that anyone but an Uzumaki who learned the jutsu would probably not be able to use them very effectively. Recall that Kushina was noted as having especially powerful and special chakra, and those chains are her signature technique. Those two facts are probably connected. The only other person who has used them is Karin, who also is an Uzumaki and has very special chakra.
 
Yeah, the same is probably true for the Hiden of Aburame and Inuzuka. Probably a matter of eugenetics: anybody could learn, but they have been breeding affinity for their techniques so much, most wouldn't be half as good.
 

AJ_Katon

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So not Kekkai Genkai but something like 50% close?
 
I'd say 50% for Inuzuka and Aburame, 25% for Akimichi, 10% for Nara and Yamanaka
 

AJ_Katon

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50% because of the symbiotic nature with their animals?

And since the Akimichi is all about biology and ninja magic, I can see it as a bloodline esque and medical knowledge, most likely something anyone else with that knowledge could accomplish.
 

goldenarms

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ankokudaishogun said:
Yeah, the same is probably true for the Hiden of Aburame and Inuzuka. Probably a matter of eugenetics: anybody could learn, but they have been breeding affinity for their techniques so much, most wouldn't be half as good.
That seems rather hinky. Don't Haku's Ice Techniques fall under Hiden as well?
 

Knyght

The Collector
It's an odd one.

Haku's Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals was introduced as a "Hijutsu" but that was dropped in the databook and it wasn't listed as a "Hiden". Then it reappared during the war and was still called "Hijutsu" and doesn't ever include "Ice Release".

There's also Hashirama's Nativity of a World of Trees which was introduced as a "Hijutsu" which also appeared in the databook but it still wasn't listed as a "Hiden". Though it wasn't actually a kekkei genkai back then, just an incredibly difficult ninjutsu. Then it also shows up during the war but is only called "Wood Release".
 
When talking about ninja in fiction, Hijutsu are the equivalent of Ougi for Taijutsu: max level techniques, usually passed only to a limited number of people(often only one)
 
First spoilers about the Mizuki one-shot out.

 
It was adequately contorted to be an example of Orochimaru's parenting.
 
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