Naruto [Naruto] Miscellaneous ideas topic.

[nuclear death frog]

Miscellaneous ideas topic.

First, I like that pairing, so nyehhhhh.

Second, and more importantly, that's completely irrelevant to this potential fic at this stage.

Yes it is, because i'm kind of tired of seeing plot devices design only for this thing. :sweat:

Then, allow me to spell it out for you. This was not a plot device designed to pair Naruto and Hinata. I had not remotely thought in that direction when this wild hare of an idea came to me.

Did you...read the idea? Really read it?

The girl's chakra control *sucks*. Her balance is *awful*. She's legitimately the worst Gentle Fist user in the memory of Hiashi's GRANDFATHER.

Damn straight it's a counter. Her huge chakra reserves are what kept her from being culled. Culled, meaning KILLED. By her family. Because she would (theoretically) weaken the bloodline.

Do you know anything about dog breeding? Same principle.

I have a question, what does bad control mean to the Hyuuga compared to the rest of the village?

Bad control, as in the level of Ebisu's OPINION of Naruto's control -- not Naruto's actual control.

Which means, bad control. Not just for a Hyuuga, but for anyone. Her chakra reserves compensate for her horrible control, but they are also its source.

 

[Moshulel]

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Then, allow me to spell it out for you. This was not a plot device designed to pair Naruto and Hinata. I had not remotely thought in that direction when this wild hare of an idea came to me.

Ok...

Bad control, as in the level of Ebisu's OPINION of Naruto's control -- not Naruto's actual control.

Which means, bad control. Not just for a Hyuuga, but for anyone. Her chakra reserves compensate for her horrible control, but they are also its source.

Just how huge are her chakra reserves? Keep in mind that she doesn't have a Demon sealed in her and that she's not a new Kisame. Or is she?

Untrue. The Jyuuken, as Neji showed, can also be used to target internal organs, and in fact that's its basic use - hence why 'Gentle Fist'... a mere love tap can kill, and brute force is not necessary. Sealing tenketsu is an advanced skill, from my understanding, and not everyone can do it.

Ahem:

Gai: "Hyuuga's cause damage by flowing their chakra in the opponents inner coil system"

Jyuuken doesn't reffer to just sealing the tenketsu.

The way you put it, why doesn't anyone use this tehnique then.



And for the record, i'm not a NaruHina hater, i just tend to avoid this fics because all that happens in most of them is:

Hinata: I love you, Naruto-kun!
Naruto: I love you too!
:wub:

In fact i read quite a lot of fics that involved said pairing. I just don't happen to like Hinata's personality. :sweat:

 

[nuclear death frog]

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Just how huge are her chakra reserves? Keep in mind that she doesn't have a Demon sealed in her and that she's not a new Kisame. Or is she?

I haven't figured out exactly how large they are. I would say _kage-level, on sheer power, is probably accurate. Keep in mind, though, that because of her horrendous control at present, she's not actually the strongest in Konoha even if her reserves are only exceeded by Naruto, and The Third, and maybe Itachi (if the story starts before he leaves). They're large enough that if she ever actually became an expert summoner, and had the knowledge The Third or his replacement would think she needed, she could be a *candidate* to become Hokage. Maybe not a strong candidate, but not utterly out of the question.

The Hokage, after all, has to be strong enough to protect everyone. I have the distinct feeling that in his prime, The Third could probably have beaten his famous students in a three-against-one. Before the Time Skip, we got some big hints that this was the case.

 

[Moshulel]

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Well, this is where i have a problem, giving huge reserves at a such young age isn't quite easily digestible. (6 if it starts before Itachi leaves.)


By the way, Sarutobi doesn't have such huge chakra reserves. He is old and not in the "flower of youth" anymore, but he more than makes up for that with control and knowledge.

 

[nuclear death frog]

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Well, this is where i have a problem, giving huge reserves at a such young age isn't quite easily digestible. (6 if it starts before Itachi leaves.)

In my original writing of this idea, I pegged her age as eight, just for the sake of argument. That's more than a year after Itachi leaves -- from what I've read, Hinata is the youngest of the Rookie Nine; she was the only one still unborn when Naruto had the Ninetails sealed in him.

By the way, Sarutobi doesn't have such huge chakra reserves. He is old and not in the "flower of youth" anymore, but he more than makes up for that with control and knowledge.

In his prime, though, they were more than likely enormous. We saw a severely weakened Sarutobi fighting Orochimaru, and he was still spry enough that Orochimaru needed to have help -- he used the corpses of Abumi Zaku and Tsuchi Kin (presumably) to summon the spirits of the First Hokage and the Second Hokage. That was the first jutsu Oro displayed in their battle. Sarutobi's was Shuriken Kage Bunshin.

So basically it was Orochimaru in top shape, Shodaime Hokage, and Nidaime Hokage, against a Sandaime Hokage who hadn't had a serious fight in at least a dozen years, and likely not since before The Fourth was picked.

And Sarutobi nearly won. To some extent, he did manage at least a draw, if a temporary one.

That says A LOT about his likely abilities in the prime of his life.

Also...I just had another thought. Orochimaru supposedly wants the Sharingan so that he can learn every jutsu in the world. Sarutobi apparently knew every single non-bloodline jutsu in the Leaf.

Who thinks Oro got his desire because he had some clue as to the depths of his teacher's knowledge?

 

[Moshulel]

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In my original writing of this idea, I pegged her age as eight, just for the sake of argument. That's more than a year after Itachi leaves -- from what I've read, Hinata is the youngest of the Rookie Nine; she was the only one still unborn when Naruto had the Ninetails sealed in him.

Oh well...

I do have to mention something to you:

Chakra capacity does not always determine the strongest nin.

As for the rant about Sarutobi, i perfectly agree with you, the only thing i was saying is that his chakra reserves at the time of the fic wouldn't be that great.

Sarutobi's extended jutsu knowledge and chakra control prove us this, as we see a old man defeating two Kages and forcing Orochimaru to retreat. Quite a feat.

I do agree that in his prime his capacity must have been huge, especially since he was probably the youngest hokage of the leaf...

 

[nuclear death frog]

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Chakra capacity does not always determine the strongest nin.

True. But it can be a *big* factor. Take another read of the Naruto/Tsunade vs. Kabuto subplot of that overall fight. If Kabuto's reserves had been greater, he'd have healed himself completely, and the direction of the fight would turn against the good guys -- maybe enough to let the bad guys win.

In any case, *all* this Hinata has is level of reserves, for the moment. She'd have to work to gain the knowledge Sarutobi or whoever succeeds him thinks she would need, before she could even be *considered* for Hokage, much less offered the position. She'd also need, in more than one way, to grow up, because even if she had a thousand times the amount of chakra belonging to the freakin' Ninetails, she's not becoming Hokage while she's a child.

 

[Moshulel]

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She'd also need, in more than one way, to grow up, because even if she had a thousand times the amount of chakra belonging to the freakin' Ninetails, she's not becoming Hokage while she's still a child.

:huh!:

Reffering to this, if you do want to take it on this path (candidate for Hokage) keep in mind the political implications of such an act. More political influence for a clan means less for the others. It could be quite fun to see how the politic games are going to play.

I don't see a nin with a clan as a Hokage mainly because of that reason by the way.

 

[GenocideHeart]

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Ahem:

Gai: "Hyuuga's cause damage by flowing their chakra in the opponents inner coil system"

Jyuuken doesn't reffer to just sealing the tenketsu.

The way you put it, why doesn't anyone use this tehnique then.

Kurenai after Neji nearly killed Hinata:

"He aimed for her heart...! Was he trying to kill her?"

Translation: they can attack both ways. Targeting chakra coils is useless when you can just directly aim and make their heart asplode, which is basically what Neji tried to do.

 

[toraneko]

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I like the idea, actually.

Me too. I think it has huge potential for comedy, at the least.

Naruto, upon seeing a four-storey-tall rabbit: "AAH! The Easter Bunny is sending in the goon squad! He's gonna get me for stealing all those hidden eggs when I was a kid!"

A Woren? Doable, and it'd be wicked cool if the first time Naruto gets mad he turns in that hugantic antropomorphic tiger.

Oh hell yes. Breath of Fire is so shortchanged for fic material.

And it would explain the fondness for orange. Although he'd likely be less a fan of ramen, and more of gyuudon.

Re: Hinata, I'm pissed at all the filler in the anime, but the Shugo Hakke 64 Hands is just awesome. Nothing useless about her anymore. Chakra Laser FTW!
Now if we can only awaken her Killing Intent...

 

[toraneko]

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Ahem:

Gai: "Hyuuga's cause damage by flowing their chakra in the opponents inner coil system"

Jyuuken doesn't reffer to just sealing the tenketsu.
The way you put it, why doesn't anyone use this tehnique then.

Kurenai after Neji nearly killed Hinata:
"He aimed for her heart...! Was he trying to kill her?"

Translation: they can attack both ways. Targeting chakra coils is useless when you can just directly aim and make their heart asplode, which is basically what Neji tried to do.

I'm pretty sure he did go for the inner coils in the heart. They're located in about the same place, and as Kakashi explained it, damaging the inner coils of an organ damages the organ. The Byakugan is required for the user to see the inner coils in the first place.

That's why your average nin with good chakra control can't just go around blowing up internal organs. This is Naruto, not Hokuto no Ken. <_< ^_^

And, yes, even seeing the tenketsu with the Byakugan is an advanced skill. Having enough precision to be able to attack the tenketsu is also required.



If chakra capacity determined the strongest nin, the Akimichi clan would probably be in the top tier. All they'd have to do is bulk-order some Weight Gain 5000. ^_^

OH GOD...

Chouji: "I'm not fat! I'm big-boned! BEEF-CAKE! BEEF-CAAAAAAKE!"
:headbanger:
Bad ideas! Begone from my head!

 

[Moshulel]

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Kurenai after Neji nearly killed Hinata:

"He aimed for her heart...! Was he trying to kill her?"

Translation: they can attack both ways. Targeting chakra coils is useless when you can just directly aim and make their heart asplode, which is basically what Neji tried to do.

As Gai explains you use the chakra coils system to aim for organs, you can't attack them directly.

(I would rant more but toraneko did that for me. )

Heh, reffering to chakra capacity, raw chakra means too little just look at Naruto, and a control as screwed as Naruto's when he has the five part seal on him is hard to improve. Mainly because Hinata was born with this sistem in this idea. Naruto adapted to the five part seal, but Hinata is born with a screwed control.

 

[toraneko]

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(I would rant more but toraneko did that for me. )

I aim to please. :snigger:

 

[GenocideHeart]

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Actually, it's mentioned that the Jyuuken can attack chakra coils or internal organs indiscriminately. Kidoumaru comments on it when his armor is disrupted - that the technique can simply have destructive and destabilizing effects on anything organic.

So no, attacking through the coils is NOT a necessity. It's just the handiest way for a Hyuuga.

 

[toraneko]

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Sounds like an inconsistency to me.

 

[GenocideHeart]

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Sounds like an inconsistency to me.

It is. Kishimoto docet! :no:

And to think Naruto showed so much promise...

 

[Moshulel]

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Actually, it's mentioned that the Jyuuken can attack chakra coils or internal organs indiscriminately. Kidoumaru comments on it when his armor is disrupted - that the technique can simply have destructive and destabilizing effects on anything organic.

So no, attacking through the coils is NOT a necessity. It's just the handiest way for a Hyuuga.

No... that would make the byakugan pointless seeing that any nin with a modicum of control would be able to use this tehnique.

 

[toraneko]

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Sounds like an inconsistency to me.

It is. Kishimoto docet! :no:

And to think Naruto showed so much promise...

True. But then again, "great idea, but bad execution" was the situation that made Ranma 1/2 some of the best fanfic material there was for years.

Maybe some skilled fic writer will be able to eclipse Kishimoto's screwups someday.

Edit: Reviewed the Kidoumaru fight. It's apparent that Neji's skill at attacking tenketsu with precise needles of chakra is the reason he was able to beat Kidoumaru's armor and webbing.

 

[GenocideHeart]

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Actually, it's mentioned that the Jyuuken can attack chakra coils or internal organs indiscriminately. Kidoumaru comments on it when his armor is disrupted - that the technique can simply have destructive and destabilizing effects on anything organic.

So no, attacking through the coils is NOT a necessity. It's just the handiest way for a Hyuuga.

No... that would make the byakugan pointless seeing that any nin with a modicum of control would be able to use this tehnique.

Um. Only medic-nin could do that, and judging from Tsunade scrambling Kabuto's nervous system... guess what... attacking without tenketsu is possible!

Imagine that... :sweat:

And... Kidoumaru's armor was disrupted by Neji's chakra. Nothing like needles - the thing was made ENTIRELY of chakra, and is the whole reason why Neji's attack that landed early on had no effect whatsoever.

And how the fuck do you hit tenketsu on an INANIMATE OBJECT like Kidou's armor? Tenketsu are a property of the living, noty of stuff like that!

You're really, really screwing up there. Neji's LAST attack may well be the key, but the earlier ones were completely wasted on teh armor, and on top of that, judging by where he hit him, he completely MISSED the proper tenketsu, at least if I watch the diagram that was on Naruto Chuushin.

 

[Moshulel]

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Um. Only medic-nin could do that, and judging from Tsunade scrambling Kabuto's nervous system... guess what... attacking without tenketsu is possible!

Ummm, no. The attack that Tsunade performed is different as it targets the nervous system through a well placed hit at the sternum. It's nased on her medical knowledge. This attacks is different than the Jyuuken.

You're really, really screwing up there. Neji's LAST attack may well be the key, but the earlier ones were completely wasted on teh armor, and on top of that, judging by where he hit him, he completely MISSED the proper tenketsu, at least if I watch the diagram that was on Naruto Chuushin.

Trusting sites are we?....

 

[GenocideHeart]

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Actually, to scramble the central nervous system, she'd have had to attack in a point rich with nerve endings, and the sternum has among the LEAST of them in the whole body. It shouldn't have paralyzed him if it did indeed target the nerve endings. More blatant disregard of lbasic human anatomy... from a medic nin no less...

As for the trusting sites remark.., it was a scan of a diagram from teh data book. Kishimoto's stuff, just translated in English. The diargram itself was untouched, and clearly showed there were NO tenketsu in the spot Neji targeted.

Case closed.

 

[Moshulel]

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As for the trusting sites remark.., it was a scan of a diagram from teh data book. Kishimoto's stuff, just translated in English. The diargram itself was untouched, and clearly showed there were NO tenketsu in the spot Neji targeted.

Case closed

False, it is stated that most Hyuuga can't see the tenketsu, so in this case Neji targeted the coil sistem.

Actually, to scramble the central nervous system, she'd have had to attack in a point rich with nerve endings, and the sternum has among the LEAST of them in the whole body. It shouldn't have paralyzed him if it did indeed target the nerve endings. More blatant disregard of lbasic human anatomy... from a medic nin no less...

I might have mixed notions a bit, but the case in point is that she attacked the nervous terminations.

 

[GenocideHeart]

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As for the trusting sites remark.., it was a scan of a diagram from teh data book. Kishimoto's stuff, just translated in English. The diargram itself was untouched, and clearly showed there were NO tenketsu in the spot Neji targeted.

Case closed

False, it is stated that most Hyuuga can't see the tenketsu, so in this case Neji targeted the coil sistem.

Actually, to scramble the central nervous system, she'd have had to attack in a point rich with nerve endings, and the sternum has among the LEAST of them in the whole body. It shouldn't have paralyzed him if it did indeed target the nerve endings. More blatant disregard of lbasic human anatomy... from a medic nin no less...

I might have mixed notions a bit, but the case in point is that she attacked the nervous terminations.

Neji is flat out stated to be able to see them. He hit both Hinata's and Naruto's. So no, there's no excuse for him not aiming at them.

Plus, the armor was MADE OF CHAKRA. The coil system was hidden, since Neji had a pure mass of chakra between him and both the chest tenketsu and the chakra coils. He had to strike blind, so he instead disrupted the armor.

As for Tsunade's point... nerve endings won't work. They'd take a little chakra and then shut down from the damage dealt. Abject pain, yes, but the body ghas too many defensive mechanisms, like hiding deep within the body teh big clusters of nerves.

The only nerve bundle that's on teh surface is... the penis. And Tsunade did NOT strike it, much as some of you perverts may have liked it. :snigger:

 

[Moshulel]

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Neji is flat out stated to be able to see them. He hit both Hinata's and Naruto's. So no, there's no excuse for him not aiming at them.

Plus, the armor was MADE OF CHAKRA. The coil system was hidden, since Neji had a pure mass of chakra between him and both the chest tenketsu and the chakra coils. He had to strike blind, so he instead disrupted the armor.

That chakra has to flow somehow... it was the flow that Neji damaged, his attacked was aimed as the enemyes chakra not at his internal organs.

As for Tsunade's point... nerve endings won't work. They'd take a little chakra and then shut down from the damage dealt. Abject pain, yes, but the body ghas too many defensive mechanisms, like hiding deep within the body teh big clusters of nerves.

The only nerve bundle that's on teh surface is... the penis. And Tsunade did NOT strike it, much as some of you perverts may have liked it. asd.gif

If i recall correctly it was not chakra she used, it was a electrical shock which she used to mumble all the nerves connections. It's not a killing tehnique by itself.

 

[GenocideHeart]

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That chakra has to flow somehow... it was the flow that Neji damaged, his attacked was aimed as the enemyes chakra not at his internal organs.

Sigh. It was an ARMOR MADE OF SOLID CHAKRA, basically. It was an inanimate object created with chakra. It doesn't have to flow, it just has to absorb blows.

And again, since Kidoumaru's armor slid off his body, how could Neji aim at his chakra flow, since tyhe armor was, y'know... not connected to it?

It's like wearing a Kage Binshin. It took the hits for him, so Neji had to get rid of it.

If i recall correctly it was not chakra she used, it was a electrical shock which she used to mumble all the nerves connections. It's not a killing tehnique by itself.

Let's assume she used electricity.

One, do you see sparks on her hand? No. That means she had to have infused chakra in his body, and only THEN turned it in electricity.

Two, does Kabuto get a numb chest? No, he gets his whole body unresponsive... and there's no major nerve clusters in the sternum.

Conclusion: it was magic, because if it was electricity, then all the shock would've done was numb Kabuto's chest. There's no major nerve clusters in the sternum, and if Kishimoto had actually DONE HIS HOMEWORK about human anatomy, neither this bullshit nor the Sakura hugantic increase would've happened.

Keep in mind that even high voltage electricity doesn't scramble your body, or even paralyze you - all it does is cause the hit body part to go numb, barring the risks of heart attack from fibrillation. So in short, it could NOT have been electricity.

Thanks for your patronage. Tune in next post for the new installation of teh Discovery channel, where we explore further Kishimoto's fucked up human anatomy.