Naruto Naruto Wrap Up

[MastaofBitches]

So, to steer away from that topic because as far as I'm concerned, Hinata got together with Lee, after helping each other get over their loss of Neji.

So, can anybody explain to me why Kurenai was put in charge of Team 8? What exactly could she teach a trio of clan kids, that their parents hadn't already shown them? Weren't they a tracking squad? Wouldn't someone with Hunter Nin training have been better?

I guess that she was assign because of Hinata, but isn't that basically giving Team 8 a free pass? Kurenai knows what failing would do to Hinata's confidence, and her relationship with her father, so she would never have failed her.

 

[13ry4n]

So, to steer away from that topic because as far as I'm concerned, Hinata got together with Lee, after helping each other get over their loss of Neji.

So, can anybody explain to me why Kurenai was put in charge of Team 8? What exactly could she teach a trio of clan kids, that their parents hadn't already shown them? Weren't they a tracking squad? Wouldn't someone with Hunter Nin training have been better?

I guess that she was assign because of Hinata, but isn't that basically giving Team 8 a free pass? Kurenai knows what failing would do to Hinata's confidence, and her relationship with her father, so she would never have failed her.

I don't know, why did Kurenai decide to get into a genjutsu duel with Itachi?

I think it was that Kurenai had been looking after Hinata for years and this was as much her request as it was Hisashi's. Maybe genjutsu would allow make it harder for them to be noticed

 

[ankokudaishogun]

To say that Naruto would have went that nuts for any of his friends is pretty far-reaching when you factor in his personal promise to never rely on the Fox anymore,

Yes, he would go nuts.
Probably not straight to Six-tails, and might not grow tails as fast, but what he did was the same that was happening with Neji's death: DESPAIR.
I think you underestimate how much Naruto is obsessed with his Precious People because his shitty childhood.

I don't proclaim to understand Sakura, but the best I can divine is that so long as Naruto was keeping the faith, so would she. But that genjutsu was really pushing it.

Sasuke was literally trying to make the whole world HATE him at that point.
Really, "simply" KO Sakura with an illusion of straight murder seems actually TAME, especially since he was going to fight Naruto to death.
Sasuke never understood Sakura's affection for him, but that doesn't mean he didn't appreciate on some level.

 

[Hoki]

Regarding that, do jounins select the genins they want to train or does the hokage simply assign them to a particular group?

 

[13ry4n]

Regarding that, do jounins select the genins they want to train or does the hokage simply assign them to a particular group?

Most likely a little bit of both. How do you think Lee graduated? It was probably because Gai spoke up.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Regarding that, do jounins select the genins they want to train or does the hokage simply assign them to a particular group?

Hokage assigns students, using the Academy teachers' suggestions. It was stated in Databook#1, IIRC

Also, Lee did graduate like everybody else(except Naruto). He CAN use chakra and jutsu, he just REALLY suck at them. He might have scratched the bottom of the requirements, but he did met them.
Nothing in canon suggest any external influence was applied for Lee to pass... which would also be much out of character for somebody who believe in Hard Work like Guy

 

[MastaofBitches]

So, to steer away from that topic because as far as I'm concerned, Hinata got together with Lee, after helping each other get over their loss of Neji.

So, can anybody explain to me why Kurenai was put in charge of Team 8? What exactly could she teach a trio of clan kids, that their parents hadn't already shown them? Weren't they a tracking squad? Wouldn't someone with Hunter Nin training have been better?

I guess that she was assign because of Hinata, but isn't that basically giving Team 8 a free pass? Kurenai knows what failing would do to Hinata's confidence, and her relationship with her father, so she would never have failed her.

I don't know, why did Kurenai decide to get into a genjutsu duel with Itachi?

Because she got overconfident? Didn't know it was Itachi's specialty?

She's an idiot?

I think it was that Kurenai had been looking after Hinata for years and this was as much her request as it was Hisashi's. Maybe genjutsu would allow make it harder for them to be noticed

That seems really unfair to both Kiba and Shino, as they potentially lost the advice of someone suited to their talents, and instead got a newly minted Jounin, who specialised in something that wasn't much good to them.

 

[Knyght]

There's no mention of Kurenai knowing Hinata prior to her graduation as far as I know; that's sounds like something from fanfiction. Her conversation with Hiashi probably took place after the genin test since then it would have been confirmed that Hinata would be a ninja under her command. I'd think that Kurenai's relationship with Hinata only occured after she became one of her genin, and it's not like Kurenai's skills were any more suited for Hinata than the rest of them either from what we've seen.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

It's not like Asuma's skills were suited for their students, as well.

 

[Knyght]

Pretty much. Any jounin would have the necessary knowledge to teach rookie genin since it's not really about passing on their personal skills. Each of them would learn more from their family than their jounin-sensei in that regard anyway.

 

[goldenarms]

So, can anybody explain to me why Kurenai was put in charge of Team 8? What exactly could she teach a trio of clan kids, that their parents hadn't already shown them? Weren't they a tracking squad? Wouldn't someone with Hunter Nin training have been better?

Maybe that's entire point -- to not pigeonhole them as just a tracking team. Sarutobi assigned each jonin to each cell to produce a specific result. Kurenai, having no tracking skills that we can ascertain, is likely there to counterbalance their established skills, because no one wants easily disposed-of scouts.

I guess that she was assign because of Hinata, but isn't that basically giving Team 8 a free pass? Kurenai knows what failing would do to Hinata's confidence, and her relationship with her father, so she would never have failed her.

You presume she actually cared about Hinata at the time.

It seems like this is after they passed the Genin Certification Test -- it would be pointless and unwise to visit Hiashi directly if she wasn't already taking care of them full-time. And given Hinata's status, Kurenai would have been more inclined to fail them, just so she wouldn't be the jonin who let a prominent clan heiress die on a mission.

If anyone was getting a free pass, it would be Team 10 -- InoShikaCho combo led by a Sarutobi, a clan that the three mentioned families are also in bed with.

 

[Daneel Rush]

I see that manga page and I can only think "holy shit Hinata was stacked at 12."

Also, Hiashi's kind of an asshole.

 

[Ordo]

So, can anybody explain to me why Kurenai was put in charge of Team 8? What exactly could she teach a trio of clan kids, that their parents hadn't already shown them? Weren't they a tracking squad? Wouldn't someone with Hunter Nin training have been better?

Maybe that's entire point -- to not pigeonhole them as just a tracking team. Sarutobi assigned each jonin to each cell to produce a specific result. Kurenai, having no tracking skills that we can ascertain, is likely there to counterbalance their established skills, because no one wants easily disposed-of scouts.

"It's simple: Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death."
-Major Mokoto Kusanagi

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Except overspecialization is THE way in the ninja world.

 

[Ordo]

Except overspecialization is THE way in the ninja world.

From TV tropes Crippling Overspecialization Page

Members of most clans seem to suffer from this, as they tend to only use the clan's signature techniques even when they could learn others. Plus their specialization can be found out just by knowing their last name. Teamwork is greatly stressed and teams typically consist of 4 people from different clans or backgrounds, so the "crippling" part is usually guarded against, though they tend to have a specialised theme (eg. Team Gai are all Taijustu types, but different types of Taijutsu; Team Kurenai / 8 specialize in tracking, but different types of tracking, etc.). It is also not uncommon for different teams to work together, or for members to join other teams temporarily

 

[da_fox2279]

EDIT: Never mind, ninja'd. Move along, nothing to see here...

 

[Ordo]

EDIT: Never mind, ninja'd. Move along, nothing to see here...

 

[MastaofBitches]

It's not like Asuma's skills were suited for their students, as well.

But Gai and Kakashi were. At least for two of their students. Asuma was placed by politics, but Kurenai has no such excuse.

Pretty much. Any jounin would have the necessary knowledge to teach rookie genin since it's not really about passing on their personal skills. Each of them would learn more from their family than their jounin-sensei in that regard anyway.

True, however I feel like the only character who would have benifitted from being trained by Kurenai is Sakura. Hinata might have done better under Asuma, who is a close range specialist.

Actually, Kakashi probably would have been a better teacher for Kiba and Shino, given his time in ANBU.

 

[Shirotsume]

The problem with having each student go to the teacher that would benefit them best is that it completely fucks the teams BADLY.

E.G. Here's the best teachers for each rookie.

Naruto: Asuma or Kakashi
Sakura: Kurenai
Sasuke: Could actually learn fairly well from all three instructors, probably best with Asuma though- Asuma's been through some shit and would probably be able to connect with Sasuke much better. Kakashi COULD emphasize more, but Kakashi doesn't tend to communicate with others.

Ino: Kurenai.
Chouji: Asuma
Shikamaru: Kakashi

Hinata: Kakashi would be best, but he would probably also break her. I think Asuma or Kurenai could do decently as a second choice.
Kiba: Kakashi
Shino: Kakashi

So if we try and balance these out- so that everyone ends up with one of their best instructors, we have

Kakashi: Kiba, Shino, Shikamaru. Would be a massive team of loners. Isolation issues run rampant.
Asuma: Naruto, Sasuke, Chouji. You would end up with a 2-1 split, with Naruto and Chouji bonding over ramen/eating. Further isolates Sasuke, increases chances of of him going bugfuck.
Kurenai: Hinata, Sakura, Ino. Just... just no.

 

[thecuiy]

Kiba's a loner? I feel like if anything he would be the one pulling Shino and Shikamaru together.

 

[Shirotsume]

Kiba wouldn't be the issue, he would try to reach out and Kakashi would theoretically encourage it... but Kakashi is basically the Loyal!Loner of Naruto, so he's no help. Shino's not going to engage in social niceties, Shikamaru isn't going to engage at ALL.

Honestly, BECAUSE kiba is so social that would be a terrible, depressing team for him to be in.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Shino isn't a loner, either. He's just ignored by others.

 

[Altered Nova]

Shino is actually kind of outgoing, he's just terrible at expressing himself. He promised to help Sasuke fight Gaara and regretted not being able to hold that promise. He also got really pissed that he was left out of the mission to rescue Sasuke for and was bugging (heh I made a funny) Kiba for details about the mission. And he held a grudge against Naruto for not recognizing him at the start of Part 2. Those aren't really actions fitting a Lone Wolf personality.

 

[Knyght]

What do people think should have been done in terms of character development for the other teams? How should they have developed and what could have made them develop?

 

[13ry4n]

What do people think should have been done in terms of character development for the other teams? How should they have developed and what could have made them develop?

The only other team that got any development was Team 10. Even then the only character out of that three that got any in depth character development was Shikamaru.