Naruto Naruto Wrap Up
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This remind me of a theory for why she and couple of other characters didn't show up much : Tenten and Anko are two of Kishimoto's favorite character design. So the reason they didn't do much is because he was hiding them in fear that his Evil Corporate Overlords would force him to do bad stuff to them.
Well, the reason for that is because Sasuke was difficult for him to draw, due to his design, so this is more artistic pride talking when he says Sasuke is his favorite to draw, which was way back when the series began, BTW. His favorite character has changed over time for various reasons. However, he has said in the first databook that, if he were born a woman, he would be all about Shikamaru. So, yeah, take that for what it's worth.
That's a really strange thing for him to say considering that Shikamaru is a sexist, lazy asshole.
"If I were a woman you know what would really get me excited? A guy that doesn't respect me, who won't do anything around the house unless I bitch him out and make it too "troublesome" to ignore me, and who will talk shit about me behind my back to all his guy friends. But he has to be a genius chain smoker too - that's so manly!"
"If I were a woman you know what would really get me excited? A guy that doesn't respect me, who won't do anything around the house unless I bitch him out and make it too "troublesome" to ignore me, and who will talk shit about me behind my back to all his guy friends. But he has to be a genius chain smoker too - that's so manly!"
Different people find different traits attractive. I'd like you to take your own advice as currently "you are crying about fictional characters falling in love with other fictional characters you don't like. No one fucking died, grow the fuck up. It's just a graphic novel, they aren't real people."
But this brings up interesting question: should he make female SI in Naruto, who would that be?
But this brings up interesting question: should he make female SI in Naruto, who would that be?
Last I checked Kishimoto was man so unless the fellow has undergone sex change or posted somewhere about his transsexual awakening the female Masashi K. is fictional character. There's also the fact that Shikamaru is equal-opportunity slacker instead of sexist like you claim. Anyone who interrupts his lazing gets called troublesome, not just girls. Or do you consider Naruto female? I'm sick of people seeing sexism in every innocuous thing as that bullshit has reached point where legitimate scientist is forced on Stalinistic show-trial for his fashion choices. At least make believable case to back up your claims, or is demanding more evidence than personal opinions harassment these days?
I wasn't saying that "female Kishimoto" wasn't fictional, dude. I was saying I wasn't "crying" about it.
Oh god, you're one of those MRA anti-feminist types... only one of them would compare a scientist being mildly criticized for wearing a highly inappropriate shirt to a professional TV interview to be a "Stalinistic show-trial." Jesus Christ could you hyperbole any more extremely?
Anyway, here's your evidence that Shikamaru is sexist. The dude literally straight up says "I hate women." He goes on a fucking rant about how terrible women are, to the point that even his dad looks like he's thinking Shikamaru is a little shit judging by his hilarious facial expressions.
I mean seriously Shikamaru is so straightforward in expressing his sexism there that I'm rather amazed someone actually asked me to prove it. I thought it was common knowledge among the fanbase.
Oh god, you're one of those MRA anti-feminist types... only one of them would compare a scientist being mildly criticized for wearing a highly inappropriate shirt to a professional TV interview to be a "Stalinistic show-trial." Jesus Christ could you hyperbole any more extremely?
Anyway, here's your evidence that Shikamaru is sexist. The dude literally straight up says "I hate women." He goes on a fucking rant about how terrible women are, to the point that even his dad looks like he's thinking Shikamaru is a little shit judging by his hilarious facial expressions.
I mean seriously Shikamaru is so straightforward in expressing his sexism there that I'm rather amazed someone actually asked me to prove it. I thought it was common knowledge among the fanbase.
A google search for "scientist shirt scandal" brings up one link of the scientist apologizing for wearing the shirt, and pretty much every other relevant link is anti-feminists being outraged that people criticized the shirt and mocking people who are offended by the shirt. The only actual feminists I can find talking about the shirt are those who are simply pointing out that the shirt is incredibly unprofessional, the anti-feminist response to the criticism is hilariously disproportionate, and that there's a double standard because a female scientist who wore a tacky shirt covered with bodybuilding men in speedos on national TV would be far more harshly mocked and criticized and would never be taken even remotely seriously by anyone.
Which is true, it takes a guy wearing a semi-naked lady shirt on TV to get his clothing criticized, whereas a woman on TV will have her appearance and fashion commented upon by tons of people no matter how she looks. Reporters regularly ask female politicians about their clothes and makeup but male politicians can keep the same look every day for years and it only gets mentioned if it's unusually hideous, like Donald Trumps terrible fake spray tan.
Which is true, it takes a guy wearing a semi-naked lady shirt on TV to get his clothing criticized, whereas a woman on TV will have her appearance and fashion commented upon by tons of people no matter how she looks. Reporters regularly ask female politicians about their clothes and makeup but male politicians can keep the same look every day for years and it only gets mentioned if it's unusually hideous, like Donald Trumps terrible fake spray tan.
Why shouldn't the shirt be talked about? It's hilariously, incredibly inappropriate for a professional scientist to wear to a televised interview. It's honestly kind of mind-boggling that he thought that would be okay, or that people would still take him seriously when he dresses like that in front of a reporter and camera. Or that there are people defending him wearing it. It's not like they ambushed him during casual dress day at the office or at a weekend party. If THAT shirt in that context is off-limits for criticism, what the hell would the guy have to wear to an interview to cross the line? A clown costume? His birthday suit?
Actually, scientists can get away with wearing more casual clothes nowadays.
Anyway, the shirt is not being talked about for being an ugly shirt (mostly). It's talked about for being sexist. And not even slightly talked about. Which is kind of what evolved the thing into the whole deal. That's why it's over the top. Sheer magnitude.
Anyway, the shirt is not being talked about for being an ugly shirt (mostly). It's talked about for being sexist. And not even slightly talked about. Which is kind of what evolved the thing into the whole deal. That's why it's over the top. Sheer magnitude.
I love how you're using childish rant of 12-year old kid with bad experiences with girls and naggy mom as irrefutable proof that Shikamaru is sexist. Unless there's evidence for that kind of trend continuing in Shippuuden you can't expect to take kid too seriously. Or are boys that find girls "icky" at that age sexist to you as well?
Then again expecting rational thinking from someone that accuses others of being "MRA anti-feminist" because they dare to view controversial topic differently than you was rather naive of me. I'm happy to share that label with mayor of London and any others that agreed with the article he wrote about is as well, because clearly we're all just feminist-hating Men's Right Activists instead of diverse group of people with different opinions that happened to agree on that specific comparison. Isn't it wonderful how simpler world is when we can just label people into neat little blocks?
In all seriousness, I'm staunch egalitarian and that's what makes this case so infuriating to me. Shirtstorm managed to harm women's cause quite a bit by focusing on shirt man is wearing rather than historical scientific achievement. I pity all those women that have to work harder dispelling negative stereotypes because of the idiots that manufactured this outrage. All in all the scandal encapsulates current state of western feminism rather well: instead of focusing on providing empowerment where it's desperately needed they focus on superficial and harmless things. Works of great contemporary feminists like Hirsi go ignored while masses are busy screaming about nebulous patriarchy and spreading disinformation based on statistical illiteracy.
Then again expecting rational thinking from someone that accuses others of being "MRA anti-feminist" because they dare to view controversial topic differently than you was rather naive of me. I'm happy to share that label with mayor of London and any others that agreed with the article he wrote about is as well, because clearly we're all just feminist-hating Men's Right Activists instead of diverse group of people with different opinions that happened to agree on that specific comparison. Isn't it wonderful how simpler world is when we can just label people into neat little blocks?
In all seriousness, I'm staunch egalitarian and that's what makes this case so infuriating to me. Shirtstorm managed to harm women's cause quite a bit by focusing on shirt man is wearing rather than historical scientific achievement. I pity all those women that have to work harder dispelling negative stereotypes because of the idiots that manufactured this outrage. All in all the scandal encapsulates current state of western feminism rather well: instead of focusing on providing empowerment where it's desperately needed they focus on superficial and harmless things. Works of great contemporary feminists like Hirsi go ignored while masses are busy screaming about nebulous patriarchy and spreading disinformation based on statistical illiteracy.
Cynical Kyle said:
I love how you're using childish rant of 12-year old kid with bad experiences with girls and naggy mom as irrefutable proof that Shikamaru is sexist. Unless there's evidence for that kind of trend continuing in Shippuuden you can't expect to take kid too seriously. Or are boys that find girls "icky" at that age sexist to you as well?
Then again expecting rational thinking from someone that accuses others of being "MRA anti-feminist" because they dare to view controversial topic differently than you was rather naive of me. I'm happy to share that label with mayor of London and any others that agreed with the article he wrote about is as well, because clearly we're all just feminist-hating Men's Right Activists instead of diverse group of people with different opinions that happened to agree on that specific comparison. Isn't it wonderful how simpler world is when we can just label people into neat little blocks?
In all seriousness, I'm staunch egalitarian and that's what makes this case so infuriating to me. Shirtstorm managed to harm women's cause quite a bit by focusing on shirt man is wearing rather than historical scientific achievement. I pity all those women that have to work harder dispelling negative stereotypes because of the idiots that manufactured this outrage. All in all the scandal encapsulates current state of western feminism rather well: instead of focusing on providing empowerment where it's desperately needed they focus on superficial and harmless things. Works of great contemporary feminists like Hirsi go ignored while masses are busy screaming about nebulous patriarchy and spreading disinformation based on statistical illiteracy.
Then again expecting rational thinking from someone that accuses others of being "MRA anti-feminist" because they dare to view controversial topic differently than you was rather naive of me. I'm happy to share that label with mayor of London and any others that agreed with the article he wrote about is as well, because clearly we're all just feminist-hating Men's Right Activists instead of diverse group of people with different opinions that happened to agree on that specific comparison. Isn't it wonderful how simpler world is when we can just label people into neat little blocks?
In all seriousness, I'm staunch egalitarian and that's what makes this case so infuriating to me. Shirtstorm managed to harm women's cause quite a bit by focusing on shirt man is wearing rather than historical scientific achievement. I pity all those women that have to work harder dispelling negative stereotypes because of the idiots that manufactured this outrage. All in all the scandal encapsulates current state of western feminism rather well: instead of focusing on providing empowerment where it's desperately needed they focus on superficial and harmless things. Works of great contemporary feminists like Hirsi go ignored while masses are busy screaming about nebulous patriarchy and spreading disinformation based on statistical illiteracy.
I called you a "MRA anti-feminist" because you fucking sound like one. "Oh man this dude got his shirt covered with half-naked ladies called sexist, he's just like a political prisoner being given a show trial by Joseph Stalin!" I mean seriously I can literally link you to a page of a character ranting about how much he hates women and all the reasons why and you will still defend him as not being a sexist!
I also have a hard time buying your claims of being an egalitarian when you go around dismissing everything actual feminists say as over-reacting while ignoring the reasonable points they actually bring up, calling them all liars spreading misinformation, and telling them they are doing feminism wrong. (Cause of course those women need a man to tell them how to do their own equality movement right.) Newsflash - those are all things actual MRAs and anti-feminists also do.
Altered Nova said:
Cynical Kyle said:
I love how you're using childish rant of 12-year old kid with bad experiences with girls and naggy mom as irrefutable proof that Shikamaru is sexist. Unless there's evidence for that kind of trend continuing in Shippuuden you can't expect to take kid too seriously. Or are boys that find girls "icky" at that age sexist to you as well?
Then again expecting rational thinking from someone that accuses others of being "MRA anti-feminist" because they dare to view controversial topic differently than you was rather naive of me. I'm happy to share that label with mayor of London and any others that agreed with the article he wrote about is as well, because clearly we're all just feminist-hating Men's Right Activists instead of diverse group of people with different opinions that happened to agree on that specific comparison. Isn't it wonderful how simpler world is when we can just label people into neat little blocks?
In all seriousness, I'm staunch egalitarian and that's what makes this case so infuriating to me. Shirtstorm managed to harm women's cause quite a bit by focusing on shirt man is wearing rather than historical scientific achievement. I pity all those women that have to work harder dispelling negative stereotypes because of the idiots that manufactured this outrage. All in all the scandal encapsulates current state of western feminism rather well: instead of focusing on providing empowerment where it's desperately needed they focus on superficial and harmless things. Works of great contemporary feminists like Hirsi go ignored while masses are busy screaming about nebulous patriarchy and spreading disinformation based on statistical illiteracy.
Then again expecting rational thinking from someone that accuses others of being "MRA anti-feminist" because they dare to view controversial topic differently than you was rather naive of me. I'm happy to share that label with mayor of London and any others that agreed with the article he wrote about is as well, because clearly we're all just feminist-hating Men's Right Activists instead of diverse group of people with different opinions that happened to agree on that specific comparison. Isn't it wonderful how simpler world is when we can just label people into neat little blocks?
In all seriousness, I'm staunch egalitarian and that's what makes this case so infuriating to me. Shirtstorm managed to harm women's cause quite a bit by focusing on shirt man is wearing rather than historical scientific achievement. I pity all those women that have to work harder dispelling negative stereotypes because of the idiots that manufactured this outrage. All in all the scandal encapsulates current state of western feminism rather well: instead of focusing on providing empowerment where it's desperately needed they focus on superficial and harmless things. Works of great contemporary feminists like Hirsi go ignored while masses are busy screaming about nebulous patriarchy and spreading disinformation based on statistical illiteracy.
I called you a MRA anti-feminist" because you fucking sound like one. "Oh man this dude got his shirt covered with half-naked ladies called sexist, he's just like a political prisoner being given a show trial by Joseph Stalin!"
I also have a hard time buying your claims of being an egalitarian when you go around dismissing everything actual feminists say as over-reacting while ignoring the reasonable points they actually bring up, calling them all liars spreading misinformation, and telling them they are doing feminism wrong. (Cause of course those women need a man to tell them how to do their own equality movement right.) Newsflash - those are all things actual MRAs and anti-feminists also do.
More emotionally charged ad-hominems and unfounded assumptions, how droll. Didn't you ever learn that you should always focus on the argument itself? I judge claims of both feminists, MRAs and any others based on the contents of their arguments, not by person making them. I don't know about you, but that kind of approach seems far more constructive to me at least.
Egalitarians care for equal rights for both sexes and I don't see how I've gone against that. Also please define what you mean by "actual feminist". Feminism is massive and diverse ideology encompassing many schools of thought. Sex-positive/negative, intersectional/nonintersectional, radical/moderate all fit under that umbrella among many others, so please clarify what you mean.
Do you honestly believe that all-powerful "patriarchy" is reasonable concept despite lacking hard evidence to support it? If that's true then just wait until you learn about The Protocols of Elders of Zion. B) Spreading debunked statistics like ones claiming 1/4 American woman is raped or "pay gap" as fact is lying and particularly damaging when someone in power ends up taking that seriously. Clearly treating lies as lies and wanting equal treatment for BOTH sexes makes me dreaded MRA!:snigger:
Feel free to mention positive improvements modern western feminists have made as to my knowledge they seem to be more about complaining and less about solutions. To me feminism should be about giving women equal rights and opportunities. In many parts of the world like Africa, India and most Islamic countries that has yet to happen. That's why I respect Ayyn Hirsi Ali and feminists like her that work actively to actually address those wrongs. That's also why I laugh at western gender studies graduates that bemoan how they are so oppressed because world doesn't work exactly like they want to and use men as convenient scapegoat. Every shrill radfem that wants to kill all men and sees sexism everywhere makes it harder to sell feminism to the countries that are in dire need of it. That's why I find those lunatics so damaging.